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TDL XXIX: HOPEFULLY BETTER (.....pweese)

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TDL Wrestling Division Special Attraction Tag Match
Seabs & WOOLCOCK vs RealManRegal & ZOMBO

Who is more to blame for the rejection of Roman Reigns at the Royal Rumble, WWE or Roman Reigns?

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TDL Social Division Special Attraction Tag Match
Anark & Magic vs RAB & Bearodactyl

Is world peace an achievable ideal?

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TDL Sports Division Special Attraction Tag Match
Baxter & Curry vs BkB Hulk & Kiz

In an Ultimate Premier League XI with a 4-4-2 formation who do you choose for the 2 CM spots?

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TDL Social Division #1 Contenders Match
Rigby vs SPCDRI

Was Edward Snowden right to release sensitive information regarding the actions of US secret services?

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Aid & Stax Classic vs «OOOOOLADIPOOOOO» & The Rabid Wolverine
Out of OKC Thunder, Phoenix Suns or New Orleans Pelicans, which will make the Play Offs in the West?

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CGS & RugbyRat vs STEVIE SWAG & Elipses Corter
WWE blurring the lines between kayfabe and reality, good or bad for business?

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RAB & The Acquired Taste vs Aid & deepelemblues
Can we justify space exploration while there are still starving humans on the earth?

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MichaelDD & obby vs Keepin It Stylish & A-C-P
Who will succeed the most in WWE, Enzo Amore, Kallisto or Kevin Owens?

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KINGPIN vs JamesK vs PoyPoy14 vs CM Punk'd
Should WWE induct Chyna into the WWE Hall of Fame?

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Stiffy vs SUPER HANS
Should England recall Kevin Pietersen from his England hiatus?

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GitRekt vs TKOK vs JM's Daddy
Which free agent pitcher was the best signing between Scherzer, Shields and Lester?

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Not got time for a long explanation now but tag debates are basically 2 separate debates submitted that you and your partner get to work on together. The final debate must each be your own though.
 

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i dont how comfortable i feel working with cloverleaf.


never liked that guy.
 

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aid fell off so hard that he's just in a normal 4 way in the mid-card. Sports division is full us title status now. :kobe3


meanwhile i just realized i'm probably going to get REKT.
 

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I don't pay too much attention to other debates, did today though as of how poor my last one was.

Can't make this card anyway, got an essay due and I'm behind on it.


Sent from Verticalsports.com App
 

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I'd like to announce that as the question asks "Ultimate Premier League XI" and does not specify which Premier League, we will be arguing for the classic Lennon-Lambert pairing of early 2000's Celtic.
(Apologies to Stiliyan Petrov who deserves to be in there too)
 

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Since Seabs can't spare the time (and does more than enough in this section), allow me to explain tag debating guidelines to those unfamiliar with the concept.


(1) Arguing the same stance


Tag debates are basically judged by which two individual efforts are the best combination, for example:

Team 1 - Debate A = 7/10 , Debate B = 8/10
Team 2 - Debate A = 4/10, Debate B = 10/10

Ergo Team 1 wins because they got 15/20 combined, despite Debate B of Team 2 having the best overall debate.

However, you MUST argue the same stance as your partner. This is an unequivocal fact which will result in an automatic loss of you fail to abide by it.

Arguing against your partner weakens one of your entries, since if you argue for one stance and your partner the other, then any judge will concede one of your entries is better than the other, leaving the other looking less impressive.


2) The Formula to Success


Basic communication via PM with your partner is fundamental. How much time you spend collaborating largely will determine your success.

You have to at least establish the stance your team will take. Myself and Seabs went about it this way:

a) PM each other and set a date of 1-2 days to come up with potential pros/cons for the respective for/against sides.
b) having compared arguments, decide on our team stance
c) thereafter decide who will tackle specific arguments and whether one/both of ourselves would address counter arguments in our debates
d) PM each other a rough draft around 2-3 days before the deadline. Give concise and brief feedback, offering constructive criticism and ways to tinker with certain arguments

The final step after that was submitting our debate. Remember, tag debates are essentially a 1600 word debate comprised of two halves. Ever had a debate where you wished you could write more than 800 words? That's a tag debate. You absolutely need to ensure where possible that you don't repeat arguments your opponent has already made. Again, communicatiing and deciding who will argue what ensures this doesn't happen, and also ensures as a team you have a depth and variety of arguments which only increases your odds of victory.


(3) Structure


The beauty of tag debates is it's a team effort and allows you and your partner to share the workload and reduce weaknesses. Comfortable arguing for your stance but struggle with addressing counter arguments? Tag debates allow you and your partner to devise a strategy where one partner tackles arguing for their choice, and the second partner then devotes their debate to entirely addressing counter arguments. Again, tag debates are an extension of singles debates and are designed to allow partners to spread the workload and produce the best COLLABORATIVE effort.


4) Conclusion


1) Communicate with your partner frequently, but if you don't wish to then at least talk to one another to agree on your stance and arguments.

2) Try to ensure you don't cover the same arguments as your partner. Think about it, if you were granted a 1600 word singles debate you wouldn't repeat arguments you'd previously covered, so don't do it here. It's a waste since as a team you're wasting words by covering the same argument, rather than diversifying your arguments.

3) Your arguments must be your own. I would encourage partners to prepare drafts and share with the other, but you must ensure any feedback is constructive and designed to help you rewrite your own debate. Your final debate has to be your own work, you can't have your partner write an argument entirely for you and try to pass it off as your own. Believe me it's very easy to spot and it won't reflect well at all.


That's the basic formula for success in tag team debates. Those who have struggled in the past largely failed to communicate with each other, leading to dismal cases of partners either repeating prior arguments or even worse contradicting their partner. It's a combined effort, not two separate debates judged as an overall score.
 

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First debate back and i've certainly missed it, can't wait to get writing, and I don't think i could have asked for a better topic, really dig this NXT debate


Let's make something magical obby, either drop me a message when you're free or i'll drop you a message later and we'll start smashing out some ideas
 

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@[user]RugbyRat[/user] and @[user]Anark[/user], thanks for the feedback on my dojo debate to get me prepared for my debut here! With that + reading the debates from the last card, I feel I'm adequately prepared to make a good start.

Fatal 4 Way is a tough start to my career but I'm here to make an IMPACT. *Cocks fist* I'm gon make it reign up in dis bitch.

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