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**TDL II: Aftermath - The Results**

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Again, sorry for the delay, but w/Isaac closing up shop (still <3 though), Mac having computer issues, Aussie going on vacation, and me being lazy (basically Monty just owns), this took a little longer than expected.

Monty and I judged the debates, w/Aussie helping out with the TLK/Nash match.

Enjoy.



Match #11 - WWE_TNA vs. Duke Coolio vs. Overrated

Monty - Overrated - Walkover. Looking forward to seeing you against opposition that responds Overrated :eek:

TLK - Overrated - idk wtf happened to the other two jobbers but Overrated put forth a really solid debate. Looks like he was added to the match for a reason. It'll be nice to see what happens when he faces worthwhile opposition.

Winner - Overrated via facing jobbers.

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Match #10 - benmanrocky vs. dodgeball64 vs. Maxx Hero vs. BrownieDude

Monty - benmanrocky -
benmanrocky - A strong argument weakened only by the seeming reliance on direct quotes from uncredited sources. The first paragraph is made up primarily of direct quotes from the following sources.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

http://www.ncadp.org/index.cfm?content=45

http://www.nyadp.org/main/faq

The other points that were chosen and worded were done so very well however.

Maxx Hero - Jesus.

Contention one - direct quote from here, second paragraph.

Contention two - The assumption is made that the death penalty is worse that LWOP. This needs to be established before it is explained.

Contention three - The threat of imminent danger is not present following many crimes. Should they too go unpunished?

Winner - benmanrocky. Don't like it...found too many direct quotes without even having to search much. However, Maxx Hero's argument was based on proving an assumption on pure logic and reason; a technical victory. To achieve this, it needed to be without riposte. It was not.

TLK - benmanrocky - It seemed that benmanrocky's debate was a laundry list of statistics and facts from random sources, but they were convincingly worded so that it almost didn't matter. Structure of the debate separated into multiple points followed by discussion was well done. Maxx Hero set up his side of the debate well, but lacked the convincing facts that really could've helped some of his assumptions.

Winner - benmanrocky via unanimous decision (***1/4).

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Match #9 - Hawt Es vs. Bouma

Monty - Bouma - Hawt Es debate was direct and to the point, like a left right jab combination. However, it couldn't stand up to the fantastic persuasive words of Bouma. I would very much like to see what Hawt Es would have done if he had expanded somewhat on his points, as they were are viable. As it was, Bouma put in a realy solid performance.

TLK - Bouma - Similar arguments, but Bouma just went a little further in depth and expanded on the points at hand. Not a knock on Hawt Es, because his support was convincing, just needed more it.

Winner - Bouma via unanimous decision (***3/4).

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Match #8 - dele vs. Porn Freak

Monty - Porn Freak - Porno claus wins by default. I will say that a little expansion on your arguments might be needed for your next debate. A little more structure to go with your legitimate points. However, I loved how quickly you had your debate in. Love the enthusiasm. Will get a match in the next round as a result.

TLK - Porn Freak - owned.

Winner - Porn Freak via default.

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Match #7 - Ruck Fules vs. Stone Cold sXe vs. Nov vs. Haza

Monty - Nov -
Stone Cold sXe - Set it up perfectly. One of the best introductions so far. I would have liked to see you delve a little deeper into the negatives so that you could more fully contradict them. Also, I think peer pressure is a big part of this debate; and the results of it. Watershed point was spot on. A solid effort.

Ruck Fules - Your examples of your brother were very well used. Nice touch. However, I think you needed to examine the more malicious use of advertising, and the effect it has on peer pressure and the parents in the current climate.

Nov - Damn man that's a passionate argument. You focused in on the result it has on the individual and the family unit, but managed to broaden the compass of what it included. Very well done.

TLK - Draw between Stone Cold sXe and Nov - All three debates were very well done and you should all be very proud of what you submitted. On the sole merit of effort, I'd say you're all winners, but since I'm forced to choose (and even then I copped out :eek:), I went with Stone Cold's approach of monitoring advertisements directed at children - with the support given in his awesome introductory paragraph that businesses need ads to survive - and Nov's opposite take on the effects advertisements have on the family, namely the parents. Very well done throughout.

Winner - Nov via split decision (****1/4).

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Match #6 - Killswitch vs. DestrosSecret

Monty - DestrosSecret -
Killswitch - Very comprehensive from the personal perspective. Outlined and detailed the many reasons behind what you were saying. I really saw only one counterpoint not covered. However, it was missing two things. 1) Violence in the world; not just from a personal point of view. 2) A conclusion.

The conclusion was sorely missed.

Destros Secret - *Applauds* Best debate I've read so far on here. On this form, you're the man to beat in the non wrestling division.

"...to say it’s never the answer is short sighted, to say it’s the ‘right’ answer is just plain ignorant..."

Brilliant.

TLK - DestrosSecret - I thought Killswitch's debate would be a tough act to follow, but boy did DestrosSecret deliver. Killswitch made a very convincing argument, but Destros focused in on the word "never" which really set his debate apart. He was able to pinpoint both sides of the debate, making it really strong throughout. Very well done. MOTN?

Winner - DestrosSecret via unanimous decision (****1/2).

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Match #5 - Invincible vs. Aussiefan vs. Chain Gang Soldier vs. Richie

Monty - Chain Gang Soldier -
Richie - I could almost feel your outrage at the notion that wrestling has peaked, and I liked that conviction. Solid debate.

AussieFan - Little confused by this. Didn't feel like your arguments reflected correctly with what you are arguing. To say that pro wrestling hasn't peaked but needs big changes, you need to show that those changes will be made. Otherwise, it has peaked.

Invincible - I thought you went a little off target in the middle but you grounded at start and end with the statement that the peak is subjective. However, you cannot argue that it hasn't peaked and yet say "I don’t ever think that wrestling can attain another boom period as big as it did..." without explaining that sentiment more clearly.

What you argued was quite thorough, and a great read, but it seemed to miss the crux of the argument a couple of times.

Chain Gang Soldier - Although Invincible's argument seemed more...meaty...to me, your argument was more on point. You didn't stray into any grey areas, you were convincing and on topic throughout.

TLK - Chain Gang Soldier - I probably enjoyed Richie's debate the most since it was short, sweet, and powerful, but I felt that Chain Gang Soldier took Richie's argument and expanded a bit, making it more thorough and complete. Aussiefan kinda missed the boat on this one, and Invincible, although putting forth a great, comprehensive debate, seemed to lose focus on the statement at hand, contradicting himself a few times.

Winner - Chain Gang Soldier via unanimous decision (***1/2).

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Match #4 - Starrcade vs. KeepItFresh

Monty - Starrcade -
Starrcade - Enjoyed this debate. It was structured and logical, while acknowledging the middle ground. The correct approach to such a topic.

KIF - This was a good rebuttle; but it was not supposed to be a rebuttle. The whole point of TDL is that you post your own debate irrelevant to what your opponent posts.

TLK - Starrcade - Basically what Monty said. The rules decided this one. Good debate from KIF, though. Unfortunate.

Winner - Starrcade via unanimous decision/rules gripe :)confused:).

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Match #3 - John vs. deuces

Consensus - FUCK OFF

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Match #2 - randyorton24 vs. jbloser

Monty - jbloser - Obviously a walkover, but I would say that jbloser would have beaten most people with this debate. Good stuff man.

TLK - jbloser - Owned. Good shit, though, jbloser.

Winner - jbloser via FUCK OFF.

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Match #1 - The Lady Killer vs. JM Nash

Monty - TLK -
JM Nash - I was with you as you went along, but I think you ran out of steam. You set up your point well, and I think with a more conclusive conclusion you could have taken this.

The Lady Killer - Very convincing throughout. You broached the issue of "what is success", as did JM Nash. However, you also broached the issue of "what is wrestling", something I think JM Nash missed.

Aussie - TLK - Kudos to you both for getting this in after being tied down with exams, being sick and so forth and what you've both done is good. However there can be only one winner. In general, if you both had more time to work on this, you could have had something epic here. However both feel like they're incomplete in a way. Like there's more to add to the debate but it wasn't added.

I found TLK's debate, while going about it in a kind of roundabout way, made more sense and was a little more convincing. TLK breaking his argument down and arguing the basics of wrestling was a very good move and hence has my vote.

Winner - The Lady Killer via unanimous decision (****1/4).

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Good job.
 
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