Re: Steve austin without "Mr.Mcmahon", would he have enjoyed the same success?
I doubt it. That's the feud that helped him to get over.
I doubt it. That's the feud that helped him to get over.
Steve Austin without "Mr.McMahon," would he have enjoyed the same success?
Would he have enjoyed the same success and popularity without Mr.Mcmahon? How big of star would he have become without heel mcmahon?
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Re: Steve austin without "Mr.Mcmahon", would he have enjoyed the same success?
How big would Hogan be without Andre?
How big would Rock be without Austin?
How big would Batista be without HHH?
The same answer
Austin already increased WM buys by three times before he even got involved without McMahon
But Austin vs McMahon was pinnacle of pro-wrestling
Successful-Yes
But definitely not that much
How big would Hogan be without Andre?
How big would Rock be without Austin?
How big would Batista be without HHH?
The same answer
Austin already increased WM buys by three times before he even got involved without McMahon
But Austin vs McMahon was pinnacle of pro-wrestling
Successful-Yes
But definitely not that much
Of course not. We'd remember him today as much as we remember The Headbangers.
Austin was already massively over before there fued began, the Austin vs McMahon fued put it on another level. But he wouldn't and neither would the WWE of had the same success without it.
Perfect answerAustin was already massively over before there fued began, the Austin vs McMahon fued put it on another level. But he wouldn't and neither would the WWE of had the same success without it.
In my personal opinion, He wouldnt be the Mega-star or a game changer for the industry without Vince but he surely would have been the "Cena of WWE", in essence massively pushed as THE MAN of the show, regardless of other contributing factors.
Stone Cold Steve Austin winning King Of The Ring in 1996 is where people took notice of him whilst the feud with Bret Hart pushed him to the top of the card and got him very over as a mega heel and then as a tweener or anti hero babyface depending on your perception. Then when he was injured by Owen Hart at Summerslam in 1997 and kept returning and hitting everyone with a Stunner he became even more over but it was actually the first meeting between Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mike Tyson that saw Stone Cold Steve Austin became a HUGE star leading into WrestleMania 14.
I would say that Austin/McMahon along with Hogan/Andre in 1987 were the pinnacle of wrestling and it's two defining feuds and there is also no doubt that as Austin/McMahon went along it made Stone Cold Steve Austin an even bigger draw as people wanted to see what would happen next but i don't think Stone Cold Steve Austin would have been that much a lesser star or draw without the feud. There was The Undertaker, Kane, Mick Foley, The Rock, The Big Show, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit to work with one after the after and this was at a time when wrestling was in a HUGE boom period and people wanted to watch wrestling so had Stone Cold Steve Austin simply done the same things with other people his star power would be similar but probably slightly less.
I would say that Austin/McMahon along with Hogan/Andre in 1987 were the pinnacle of wrestling and it's two defining feuds and there is also no doubt that as Austin/McMahon went along it made Stone Cold Steve Austin an even bigger draw as people wanted to see what would happen next but i don't think Stone Cold Steve Austin would have been that much a lesser star or draw without the feud. There was The Undertaker, Kane, Mick Foley, The Rock, The Big Show, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit to work with one after the after and this was at a time when wrestling was in a HUGE boom period and people wanted to watch wrestling so had Stone Cold Steve Austin simply done the same things with other people his star power would be similar but probably slightly less.
Re: Steve austin without "Mr.Mcmahon", would he have enjoyed the same success?
Wat? He was already over.I doubt it. That's the feud that helped him to get over.
Austin should worship Bret Hart & Vince McMahon(he already worships him. TRUE STORY) cuz they were the ones responsible for Austin's success the most.
And those saying Austin helped Rock become big :no:
Rock snatched the torch from Austin in 1999 cuz Austin damn sure wasnt giving it to anybody
Rock's rivalry with HHH was what elevated both the guys, and then Rock's feud with Foley is what solidified him as a legit main eventer.
But most of all what elevated The Rock, was his endless charisma, his Attitude and his flawless in-ring psychology
And those saying Austin helped Rock become big :no:
Rock snatched the torch from Austin in 1999 cuz Austin damn sure wasnt giving it to anybody
Rock's rivalry with HHH was what elevated both the guys, and then Rock's feud with Foley is what solidified him as a legit main eventer.
But most of all what elevated The Rock, was his endless charisma, his Attitude and his flawless in-ring psychology
The Rock turning heel and becoming a member of the corporation is what solidified him as second guy behind Austin and that was an extension of the Austin vs McMahon fued. Without Austin vs McMahon no Corporate Rock to win over the fans with that awesome character that eventually made him number two behind Austin. Take away that and his subsequent fued with Austin leading up to wrestlemania 15 and The Rock wouldn't of been nearly as successfull as he became. Go further back and the Austin vs Rock fued for the intercontinental championship and being second last in the ring with Austin at the 1998 royal rumble exposing The Rock to the WWF's top guy where would he of been without that exposureAustin should worship Bret Hart & Vince McMahon(he already worships him. TRUE STORY) cuz they were the ones responsible for Austin's success the most.
And those saying Austin helped Rock become big :no:
Rock snatched the torch from Austin in 1999 cuz Austin damn sure wasnt giving it to anybody
Rock's rivalry with HHH was what elevated both the guys, and then Rock's feud with Foley is what solidified him as a legit main eventer.
But most of all what elevated The Rock, was his endless charisma, his Attitude and his flawless in-ring psychology
Making him look like an genuine opponent to Stone Cold?
And hogan, Austin, rock, cena ect should all be thankful to Vince McMahon because without him NONE of them would be the success
They are today!
They are today!
What is with these threads? Why would we want to imagine Austin without Mr. McMahon? It's the single greatest thing the wrestling industry has ever seen, it saved the WWE and helped get it on top of the pile and make it what it is today. Why Austin without Vince?.. why not make a thread on what would the WWE be like without Vince? Who fucking knows and honestly who fucking cares.
Just be grateful that we got Austin and Vince and you lived through it, because chances are you won't see anything close to as good as that rivalry.
Just be grateful that we got Austin and Vince and you lived through it, because chances are you won't see anything close to as good as that rivalry.
Long before that heel turn happened, Rock was already getting worship chants. Watch Breakdown 1998 when Rock despite being heel was getting the loudest chant in that PPV. Rock would have easily surpassed Austin as a face, if not turned heel at Svs98. Austin's act had already gone stale by the late 98 and all he was doing, was to feud with Vince, Taker and Kane. He did not want to feud with upcoming guys, and we were getting the same matches with same guys all the time. When Rock won the Breakdown PPV cage match, and became the No.1 contender for the title. But obviously after investing so much in Austin, McMahon didnt want him to be second to The Rock, thus that double pin controversy took place when Taker & Kane pinned Austin. Due to the controversy with the WWF Championship, The Rock was not given a match for the title at Judgment Day and a Deadly Games tournament was held at Survivor Series.The Rock turning heel and becoming a member of the corporation is what solidified him as second guy behind Austin and that was an extension of the Austin vs McMahon fued. Without Austin vs McMahon no Corporate Rock to win over the fans with that awesome character that eventually made him number two behind Austin. Take away that and his subsequent fued with Austin leading up to wrestlemania 15 and The Rock wouldn't of been nearly as successfull as he became. Go further back and the Austin vs Rock fued for the intercontinental championship and being second last in the ring with Austin at the 1998 royal rumble exposing The Rock to the WWF's top guy where would he of been without that exposure
Making him look like an genuine opponent to Stone Cold?
Most of that did not even make sense from a non-kayfabe point of view. Rock would have easily become THE top guy, Corporate Champ heel turn or not. However, like The Rock said in his latest DVD, they tried out something never been done before, that is, turning a top babyface heel BEFORE he reached his full potential as a babyface.
Being the last man eliminated at a Rumble by Austin didn't mean jack shit contribution on Austin's part. Rock lasted longer than anybody else in that Rumble and didn't need any rub (and didn't get any) from Austin. And the feud for IC title between the two didn't do anything for The Rock. It was one sided and Rock didn't gain anything. It was Rock-HHH feud that did wonders to both men
Get your facts straight, and then question my points :cool2
I suppose that's not enough for some folks. There must always be these questions of "what if..." that often try to discredit someone in some way. I don't necessarily think that was the intent of this particular thread, which seems more out of curiosity, but every day there is someone on this forum invariably trying to make it seem like a guy like Steve Austin had nothing to do with his own success. It's just so silly.What is with these threads? Why would we want to imagine Austin without Mr. McMahon? It's the single greatest thing the wrestling industry has ever seen, it saved the WWE and helped get it on top of the pile and make it what it is today. Why Austin without Vince?.. why not make a thread on what would the WWE be like without Vince? Who fucking knows and honestly who fucking cares.
Just be grateful that we got Austin and Vince and you lived through it, because chances are you won't see anything close to as good as that rivalry.
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