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This was originally the Fight to The Top PPV thread, but I figure we might as well use it as a general STARDOM discussion thread since this section isn't very active.


They were nice enough to make an English tweet with various time zones. It starts in 2 hours and features two cage matches. One is between Tam Nakano (leader of the Cosmic Angels) and Natsupoi (member of Donna Del Mundo [DDM]), and the other is a six woman tag between Queen's Quest (lead by Utami) and STARS (lead by Mayu Iwatani).

Someone on Twitter was nice enough to translate Tam's thread about her multi-year rivalry with Natsupoi. Click it and scroll through the 14 tweets for the full backstory:


Stars to Watch
Queen's Quest consists of:
Utami Hayashishita-STARDOM's highest ranked PWI Superstar at #4 in 2021

Saya Kamatani, who's making a strong argument for the greatest Wonder of STARDOM Champion (think Intercontinental Champion that matters) in history with her excellent matches

AZM- Reigning High Speed Champion (think WCW Cruiserweight Champion) that can steal the show on any given night at 19 years old

STARS features veteran and Ace Mayu Iwatani, who you may know from teaming with Io Shirai and KAIRI in threedom.

The Artist of Stardom (Trios title) match features God's Eye, Oedo Tai, and DDM. Syuri (reigning World of STARDOM champion) officially left DDM to form her own stable after her fantastic match with Giulia at STARDOM World Climax 3 months ago, and ever since then, DDM has lost the artist titles and other big matches, while God's Eye and Oedo Tai (reigning Artist of STARDOM Champions) have steadily gained momentum. This match is Giulia's chance to put DDM back on top after being in a slump for the first half of 2022.

Similarly to Tam and Poi, Mina Shirakawa (Cosmic Angels) and Himeka (DDM) have a long history of going from friends to bitter enemies as well. You can check out their thread here:

Miyu Amasaki (Queen's Quest) is a rookie on the rise that's making a strong impression on the STARDOM fans and its roster. She just recently won her last qualifying 5 Star Grand Prix tournament match against perennial jobber Waka, and is looking to carry that momentum into this tag team match with her partner, Lady C (Queen's Quest) against Saya Lida and Hazuki of STARS.
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Did finally get around to watching the 2 matches from Gold Rush I wanted to.

I knew Kamitani vs. Kairi was going to end in a draw going into the show so there was a lack of drama. But as a match itself. I thought it was really good. For 30 minutes I can't say I was ever bored and even wanted to see them keep going by the end which is a testament to them. It left me wanting more and the 2 have good chemistry with each other.

As far as Syuri vs. Hayashishita goes, I'll say that I continue to "not get" Syuri. Like, she's clearly talented. But every time I watch one of her big matches, unless she's facing someone like Giulia, I just feel nothing. The matches she's in are usually good but again, I rarely get excited for them. Maybe because her big matches often have to follow Kamitani's whose work I just enjoy more.
You're not alone and this has been the recurring theme all year for everyone not named @HugoCortez. Giulia will once again give her another Match of the Year candidate on the 29th to end her stagnant title reign.
 

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You're not alone and this has been the recurring theme all year for everyone not named @HugoCortez. Giulia will once again give her another Match of the Year candidate on the 29th to end her stagnant title reign.
I am feeling the need to point out that MC and Araragi over here don't like Saya Kamitani's in ring output either. I am only talking about this site, of course.

Anyway, here is an actual good champion for a change:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoshiPuroIsland/comments/zc6omb
 

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Himeka and Maika choking once again. Every tournament, it's always the same: 'I think Himeka is going to win this one' and she always ends up losing. On the other hand, HZK needs a carrot and this tournament win is that, especially since it looks like they are still hesitant to give her a singles push.


https://www.reddit.com/r/JoshiPuroIsland/comments/zc83v0

Mio Momono is going to become the DASH Chisako of Marvelous at this rate
 

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Himeka and Maika choking once again. Every tournament, it's always the same: 'I think Himeka is going to win this one' and she always ends up losing. On the other hand, HZK needs a carrot and this tournament win is that, especially since it looks like they are still hesitant to give her a singles push.


https://www.reddit.com/r/JoshiPuroIsland/comments/zc83v0

Mio Momono is going to become the DASH Chisako of Marvelous at this rate
HAZUKI won last year. The best options were MaiHime, Mafia Bella, or AphroditE. Your inherent bias against Kamitani just blinds you to this.
 

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HAZUKI won last year. The best options were MaiHime, Mafia Bella, or AphroditE. Your inherent bias against Kamitani just blinds you to this.

I wanted Maihime to win the tournament, but at this point, I know too well that the promotion does not see Himeka as being above a certain position and that me wanting something doesn't mean it is going to happen. As for the other preferred winners, Giulia is going to win the world of stardom championship and has been main eventing and being the focus of the promotion for three years already, so she doesn't need the tournament win. Saya Kamitani is nearing the one year mark as wonder of stardom champion and Utami is an established ex world of stardom champion, so they aren't giving them the tournament either. Meanwhile, HZK is someone who is good and popular and that they see as marketeable but that they don't trust and don't want to push as a singles wrestler, so they give her these tag team tournament wins to keep her relevant without commiting to giving her something. Kidani is very wwe influenced when it comes to booking, which means that he doesn't give a damn about tag teams, so the most expected decision on Stardom's part is to give the goddess tournament win to someone who isn't in the upper echelon nor poised to join it anytime soon but that they want to give a reward, like HZK, who main events occasionally, but never on her own.
 

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I wanted Maihime to win the tournament, but at this point, I know too well that the promotion does not see Himeka as being above a certain position and that me wanting something doesn't mean it is going to happen. As for the other preferred winners, Giulia is going to win the world of stardom championship and has been main eventing and being the focus of the promotion for three years already, so she doesn't need the tournament win. Saya Kamitani is nearing the one year mark as wonder of stardom champion and Utami is an established ex world of stardom champion, so they aren't giving them the tournament either. Meanwhile, HZK is someone who is good and popular and that they see as marketeable but that they don't trust and don't want to push as a singles wrestler, so they give her these tag team tournament wins to keep her relevant without commiting to giving her something. Kidani is very wwe influenced when it comes to booking, which means that he doesn't give a damn about tag teams, so the most expected decision on Stardom's part is to give the goddess tournament win to someone who isn't in the upper echelon nor poised to join it anytime soon but that they want to give a reward, like HZK, who main events occasionally, but never on her own.
You are furthering HAZUKI's process of stagnation by pigeon holing her into the tag team specialist role. What should have happened, is Aphrodite wins this tournament, then HAZUKI challenges Kamitani for the title at Queendom, takes it from her, and then Aphrodite takes the Goddess Championships so they have something to do in 2023 while Giulia has the red belt and HAZUKI has the white belt. Then, you build 2023 around the Tam Nakano and Giulia story arc for the ultimate climax of Tam finally winning the big one. This keeps all your top players doing something noteworthy instead of floundering. That's if they're going to keep f** over MaiHime, which it seems like they're going to do forever.
 

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You are furthering HAZUKI's process of stagnation by pigeon holing her into the tag team specialist role.
I think that neither Kidani nor Rossy are too worried about that. HZK leavingmid push at the end 2019 has really hurt her career prospects. Again, it all boils down to kidani not giving a fuck about tag team wrestling except to keep singles wrestlers busy doing something while they are out of the singles championships loop. This isn't zenjo or, to put a contemporary exmaple, SEAdLINNNG or Sendai girls, where the tag team championships are important




Then, you build 2023 around the Tam Nakano and Giulia story arc for the ultimate climax of Tam finally winning the big one.
This will happen. Both Rossy and kidani are very high on Tam Nakano and they are going to milk ther for the remaining of her career, especially if her comments about retiring next year are true.
 

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I think that neither Kidani nor Rossy are too worried about that. HZK leavingmid push at the end 2019 has really hurt her career prospects. Again, it all boils down to kidani not giving a fuck about tag team wrestling except to keep singles wrestlers busy doing something while they are out of the singles championships loop. This isn't zenjo or, to put a contemporary exmaple, SEAdLINNNG or Sendai girls, where the tag team championships are important






This will happen. Both Rossy and kidani are very high on Tam Nakano and they are going to milk ther for the remaining of her career, especially if her comments about retiring next year are true.
Anyway, this comment is irrelevant because I watched the tournament and Nanae Takahashi and Yuu defeating Aphrodite in the finals of the goddess tag team league.

Suffice to say that lamost nobody is happy with the result. Myself, I tend to like freelancers invading promotions but this team is not cutting it for me and the way they were introduced has not helped matters. Yuu is also starting to go through the motions during her matches and Nanae isn't exactly the best tag team partner to cover up her flaws in the ring. Although it makes sense to have them win the least important tournament as a token accolade so tha tthey are presented as strong and always protected throughout all of their matches without really giving them a meaningful win.


@5 Star Giulia ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ you should check some of Team 200kgs matches. That is Yuu's tag team with Chihiro Hashimoto and, I know that we don't agree on most things when it comes to preferences, but I think even you will agree on that tag team mopping the floor with 7Upp in terms of quality and in ring chemistry
 

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Anyway, this comment is irrelevant because I watched the tournament and Nanae Takahashi and Yuu defeating Aphrodite in the finals of the goddess tag team league.

Suffice to say that lamost nobody is happy with the result. Myself, I tend to like freelancers invading promotions but this team is not cutting it for me and the way they were introduced has not helped matters. Yuu is also starting to go through the motions during her matches and Nanae isn't exactly the best tag team partner to cover up her flaws in the ring. Although it makes sense to have them win the least important tournament as a token accolade so tha tthey are presented as strong and always protected throughout all of their matches without really giving them a meaningful win.


@5 Star Giulia ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ you should check some of Team 200kgs matches. That is Yuu's tag team with Chihiro Hashimoto and, I know that we don't agree on most things when it comes to preferences, but I think even you will agree on that tag team mopping the floor with 7Upp in terms of quality and in ring chemistry
I think you've interacted with me enough to know my preferences when it comes to wrestling. I like fast-paced flashy performers for the most part. Even though Utami isn't very fast, she has the aesthetic that I love, and I find her to be an exciting power wrestler. Yuu is not bad, she's just not my cup of tea, and I find Nanae TakaHogan to be incredibly boring. She's the embodiment of the slow paced 80's style you were meming about the other day. MaiHime is really the only big girl duo that I like, and they grew on me over time.
 

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Yuu is not bad, she's just not my cup of tea
Yuu has found her comfort zone and now she does not deviate too much from that and works the bare minimum. I think that is in part caused by her deciding to gain so much weight. She already weighed a ton the past two years, but she gained even more kilos in 2022, which cannot be good for her legs considering she is actually pretty short. Anyway, now Yuu is simply okey and needs a tag team partner who can do the inbetween stuff so she can focus on her powerhouse and high spots.



and I find Nanae TakaHogan to be incredibly boring. She's the embodiment of the slow paced 80's style
From 1984 to 1989, zenjo (that's All Japan Women) was actually the most high impact and fast paced promotion in the world with probably only the exception of CMLL in mexico. There wasn't a promotion putting out what the Matsunagas were putting out at the time. The current joshi scene is very centered around the high spots but is actually slower paced in general.

As for Nanae, she was just an okay rookie when she was in zenjo in 1995 to 1999, then she becomes actually good tag team wrestler midway through her tag team with momoe Nakanishi during 2000 to 2002 and then she actually becomes good during her run on top of the dying zenjo. Then she gets worse in the 2010s when she gains too much clout and decides that she doesn't like working underneath, which is actually much more grating on the tag team matches than during her singles matches, since she tends to ruin the hot tags and flow of the matches.




Anyway, here is a much better and more fluid tag team match featuring Yuu with a better tag team partner that complements her well:

 
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