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Re: Spider-Man: Far From Home (July 5, 2019)

So guys....when are we going to all admit that Sony actually handles Spider-man better than Disney?
Wut da hayell. The Amazing Spider-man movies were mediocre, with Andrew Garfield portraying a terrible Peter Parker and every villain being absolutely forgettable. The Sam Raimi films were better but the action sequences weren't that good for the most part and Tobey MacGuire had serious limitations too-he was a decent nerdy high school nerd Peter, but the evolution wasn't enough and his acting skills weren't that good-. Also Spider-man 3 is considered an atrocious film. Spider-verse was a nice love letter but also a totally different thing.

Holland is the best Peter Parker / Spider-man without a trace of doubt, Vulture was an awesome villain and I expect Mysterio to be as good as him. Feige really knows how to translate comic characters to the films.
 

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Wut da hayell. The Amazing Spider-man movies were mediocre, with Andrew Garfield portraying a terrible Peter Parker and every villain being absolutely forgettable. The Sam Raimi films were better but the action sequences weren't that good for the most part and Tobey MacGuire had serious limitations too-he was a decent nerdy high school nerd Peter, but the evolution wasn't enough and his acting skills weren't that good-. Also Spider-man 3 is considered an atrocious film. Spider-verse was a nice love letter but also a totally different thing.

Holland is the best Peter Parker / Spider-man without a trace of doubt, Vulture was an awesome villain and I expect Mysterio to be as good as him. Feige really knows how to translate comic characters to the films.
While both the Raimi films and Amazing Spider-man films have their flaws and had things that were different, they still at it's core retained all the things that make Spider-man who he is. Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Harry, Mary Jane, Flash Thompson, "With great power comes great responsibilty", Peter actually having consequences to his actions that affected the peoole around him and trying to balance his regular life with his superhero life. Say what you want about Spider-man 3 but again at least there was weight to it and didn't throw out everything that made Spider-man and who he was. People want to shit on Amazing Spider-man 2 but I guarantee we will never see a tragedy as deep and hearfelt as Peter failing to save Gwen Stacy in the MCU. Tragedy is apart of the Spider-man story and we have yet to see that once yet with this new Spider-man.

Also Spider-man 2 is one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. Period. The movie is ALL about Peter trying to balance his social life and his superhero life and the consequences that can come with each.

And don't get me wrong I like Holland but what makes him "without a doubt" the best Spider-man? Because he makes jokes and is a fun guy IRL? That's all I ever hear Holland fans say as if through all these years Spider-man became such a beloved character simply because of his funny one liners.

Also yes, Spiderverse was different but again, it still retained THE CORE of what Spider-man is IMO; tragedy, responsibilty, and the consequences to your actions, while reminding you that you always should do the right thing no matter what. It actually embraced those things better than any Spider-man movie I've seen, even arguably better than Spider-man 2.

Sony has: SM, SM2, Into the SV = 3/6.

Disney has: Civil War(the only time I felt he was pretty good) = 1/3.

So when it comes to Spider-man Sony>Disney so far.


Here's a pretty good video on why Disney Spider-man isn't good.
 

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Re: Spider-Man: Far From Home (July 5, 2019)

I think Holland is a great Spidey and Homecoming was good, even though the first two films are still the best.
 

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While both the Raimi films and Amazing Spider-man films have their flaws and had things that were different, they still at it's core retained all the things that make Spider-man who he is. Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Harry, Mary Jane, Flash Thompson, "With great power comes great responsibilty", Peter actually having consequences to his actions that affected the peoole around him and trying to balance his regular life with his superhero life. Say what you want about Spider-man 3 but again at least there was weight to it and didn't throw out everything that made Spider-man and who he was. People want to shit on Amazing Spider-man 2 but I guarantee we will never see a tragedy as deep and hearfelt as Peter failing to save Gwen Stacy in the MCU. Tragedy is apart of the Spider-man story and we have yet to see that once yet with this new Spider-man.

Also Spider-man 2 is one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. Period. The movie is ALL about Peter trying to balance his social life and his superhero life and the consequences that can come with each.

And don't get me wrong I like Holland but what makes him "without a doubt" the best Spider-man? Because he makes jokes and is a fun guy IRL? That's all I ever hear Holland fans say as if through all these years Spider-man became such a beloved character simply because of his funny one liners.

Also yes, Spiderverse was different but again, it still retained THE CORE of what Spider-man is IMO; tragedy, responsibilty, and the consequences to your actions, while reminding you that you always should do the right thing no matter what. It actually embraced those things better than any Spider-man movie I've seen, even arguably better than Spider-man 2.

Sony has: SM, SM2, Into the SV = 3/6.

Disney has: Civil War(the only time I felt he was pretty good) = 1/3.

So when it comes to Spider-man Sony>Disney so far.


Here's a pretty good video on why Disney Spider-man isn't good.


Spiderman 2 is so overrated its not even funny. I went over all the reason before, I don't want to get back into it, but if you want to play the why spiderman is bad videos here ya go



 

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Why are people referring to this as "Disney Spider-Man", when Feige has only developed the core characters such as Peter, Mysterio, and Vulture? Everything else was very much done by Sony. So you're saying it's a bad "Disney Spider-Man" when in reality you're saying "it's just another bad Sony Spider-Man film". They (Marvel) didn't make the casting choices like Brock, fake MJ, etc that was 100% Sony.
 

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Why are people referring to this as "Disney Spider-Man", when Feige has only developed the core characters such as Peter, Mysterio, and Vulture? Everything else was very much done by Sony. So you're saying it's a bad "Disney Spider-Man" when in reality you're saying "it's just another bad Sony Spider-Man film". They (Marvel) didn't make the casting choices like Brock, fake MJ, etc that was 100% Sony.
And those are the best parts of the movies according to most people
 

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Re: Spider-Man: Far From Home (July 5, 2019)

I watched the trailer again : is it me or do Mysterio's powers look like Dr Strange's ? It would be interesting if he was using the same kind of magic they introduced in Strange's movie.
 

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And those are the best parts of the movies according to most people
It's honestly odd, they're putting Disney/Marvel in this position of power that they never were in. As if they think Sony sold all of the rights back to them or something. The reality is Feige was given the power to handle the story and its ultimate connection to the MCU as well as a few casting choices. They gave Feige "voting rights" over who would play Spider-Man between Holland, Tyler O'Brien, etc and that was it, and I even heard O'Brien was one of Feige's favorites. But they've made it loud and clear that this (being Spider-Man) is still very much in Sony's control. It all seems to me that people are just looking for reasons to bitch at Disney/Marvel if I'm being real. I know people have genuine grips with Homecoming and they're mirrored in Far From Home, that's fine there's no issue here. Just don't point the blame game at Disney and co. when it isn't even remotely within their power to be at fault.
 

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This version of Peter Parker is them mixing the stories of Peter and Miles together. These side characters aren't the characters we associate with Peter because they are not supposed to be. If you accept that, the characters are just fine as a supporting cast.

Though I agree they should just not give Zendaya's character the MJ moniker if they are going to make her so not MJ. That's like DC butchering of Superman and Batman mythos in their DCEU level bad.
 

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Spiderman 2 is so overrated its not even funny. I went over all the reason before, I don't want to get back into it, but if you want to play the why spiderman is bad videos here ya go

I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. :shrug. This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.

Why are people referring to this as "Disney Spider-Man", when Feige has only developed the core characters such as Peter, Mysterio, and Vulture? Everything else was very much done by Sony. So you're saying it's a bad "Disney Spider-Man" when in reality you're saying "it's just another bad Sony Spider-Man film". They (Marvel) didn't make the casting choices like Brock, fake MJ, etc that was 100% Sony.
Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
 

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^^ Not to mention the first video's ratio of likes and dislikes just proves that it isn't the majority that thinks Homecoming is better. Even the dude doing the video stated he knows saying the first 2 Spiderman movies suck is an unpopular opinion.

Yet we are contrarians if we say we like a non-Tom Holland version of Spiderman or Spiderman movie better...
 

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Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
I like how you blatantly confirmed exactly what I stated :kobe. Both Sony and Feige have been very open on who controls what over the IP all you have to do is use Google. This really seems like a you problem because you have some hang up over Disney having even the slightest control over the character, so you're delusionally adding something that isn't there. The terms of the contract have been leaked so much that you'd have to be blind to not understand where the true power lies in all of this. Do you homework, but you won't cause you want to continue to bitch about Marvel and Disney controlling the current Spider-Man film franchise just for the sake of complaining about Disney when the reality is their control is a footnote.
 

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This version of Peter Parker is them mixing the stories of Peter and Miles together. These side characters aren't the characters we associate with Peter because they are not supposed to be. If you accept that, the characters are just fine as a supporting cast.

Though I agree they should just not give Zendaya's character the MJ moniker if they are going to make her so not MJ. That's like DC butchering of Superman and Batman mythos in their DCEU level bad.
Except Peter Parker is being presented as Peter Parker. He's not being presented as some hybrid character named Peter Morales, or something. He's Peter Parker. If it was a different Spider-Man, then you might have more of a point, but... it's not. It's Peter Parker.

Again, I didn't really mind Ned. He was fine for the role he was filling, IMO.

I agree that separating Michelle from the MJ identity may have made her more palatable, or at least it wouldn't be as annoying as trying to flagrantly reimagine MJ. I mean, with Tom Holland, they hit the ball out of the park. He's probably the best, most authentic iteration of Peter Parker/Spider-Man we've seen. But then they totally reinvent 'MJ' to be someone else entirely. And even if she weren't attached to the identity of MJ, she was still a lame character in Homecoming. She added nothing at all to the movie.

Perhaps if she were written to be a better, more interesting character, it would be easier to forgive her attachment to the 'MJ' identity. Like, with Aunt May, I was able to forgive the reimagining of that character in Marisa Tomei because she was actually a good addition to the movie, even in the small role she had.

Michelle and Flash didn't do that. They both fell very flat.

I thought Vulture was quite well done both conceptually and by Keaton's acting. I can't say if they'll have the same success with Mysterio/Gyllenhaal yet, and that may be a taller order than trying to adapt a character like Vulture well. I suppose we'll see.
 

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Wut da hayell. The Amazing Spider-man movies were mediocre, with Andrew Garfield portraying a terrible Peter Parker and every villain being absolutely forgettable. The Sam Raimi films were better but the action sequences weren't that good for the most part and Tobey MacGuire had serious limitations too-he was a decent nerdy high school nerd Peter, but the evolution wasn't enough and his acting skills weren't that good-. Also Spider-man 3 is considered an atrocious film. Spider-verse was a nice love letter but also a totally different thing.

Holland is the best Peter Parker / Spider-man without a trace of doubt, Vulture was an awesome villain and I expect Mysterio to be as good as him. Feige really knows how to translate comic characters to the films.
What?
 

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I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. :shrug. This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.



Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
And its obvious you have hate boner for the homecoming spiderman.
 

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Except Peter Parker is being presented as Peter Parker. He's not being presented as some hybrid character named Peter Morales, or something. He's Peter Parker. If it was a different Spider-Man, then you might have more of a point, but... it's not. It's Peter Parker.

Again, I didn't really mind Ned. He was fine for the role he was filling, IMO.

I agree that separating Michelle from the MJ identity may have made her more palatable, or at least it wouldn't be as annoying as trying to flagrantly reimagine MJ. I mean, with Tom Holland, they hit the ball out of the park. He's probably the best, most authentic iteration of Peter Parker/Spider-Man we've seen. But then they totally reinvent 'MJ' to be someone else entirely. And even if she weren't attached to the identity of MJ, she was still a lame character in Homecoming. She added nothing at all to the movie.

Perhaps if she were written to be a better, more interesting character, it would be easier to forgive her attachment to the 'MJ' identity. Like, with Aunt May, I was able to forgive the reimagining of that character in Marisa Tomei because she was actually a good addition to the movie, even in the small role she had.

Michelle and Flash didn't do that. They both fell very flat.

I thought Vulture was quite well done both conceptually and by Keaton's acting. I can't say if they'll have the same success with Mysterio/Gyllenhaal yet, and that may be a taller order than trying to adapt a character like Vulture well. I suppose we'll see.
Why do they need to explicitly tell you they are mixing the two characters stories by giving you a dumb name for you to follow their intention? They borrow different versions of Peter Parker in previous films as well to tell a story. It is not different from what they did here except they borrowed from Miles instead of Ultimate universe.

I didn't see the need for Michelle as well. Liz was more than enough for a story telling purpose in Homecoming as the love interest. I'm cool with Flash though. It was a different type of bullying. Instead of the usual physical bully, this version is a rich snob bullying that is probably more common.
 

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I'm not going to sit here and break down each video. I've stated why Raimi films >>>> MCU Spider-man.

And TBH the guy in this video seems like one of those annoying douchbags that act like an absolute smart ass about a movie when you're watching with him. :shrug. This idiot thinks somehow Uncle Ben telling Peter to be careful with the man he's becoming and Peter becoming Spider-man because he hits people is a contradiction LOL. Talk about missing the point. Aunt May giving "bad pep talks"? Seriously? She acted very realistic to his broken moments. I would've told Peter the same thing when he felt remorseful for lashing out his Uncle before his death, Uncle Ben knew Peter loved him and that's all that mattered at the end of the day. And this guy complains about skulls? Maybe there were skulls because it represents death and Peter thought he was DYING? It's clear this guy has a hate boner for Sam Raimi but that's cool. Doesn't mean that the movies were bad Spider-man movies.

But yea I'm not going to go on ranting on this video lol.



Oh so now Homecoming isn't a Disney movie now. It's still Sony? So according to this logic I guess we haven't ever gotten a TRUE Disney Spider-man yet?

How convenient.
This is a response to that video. birthday_massacre is REALLY grasping at straws for even putting that video up.
 
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