I’ll be pissed if I have to watch him flip the entire main event scene on its head and then just dip for months at a time again.

The only thing I don’t mind him coming back for is the Roman match. Outside of that, leave the rest of the show alone.

 

Not if he wins an Oscar. Which most critics are predicting he might. Besides rock ain’t the only actor in Hollywood bombing. Margot Robbie who had a billion dollar move in Barbie. Has made consecutive flops since then.

 

Out of curiosity, has a movie flopped but the star won an oscar before?

 

15 minutes standing ovation my ass, it's been getting mid to bad reviews. The guy can't fucking act, he should just admit it and enjoy his gazillions of dollars before he becomes the president.

 

I don't know man from the clips I've seen of that movie you can't even tell it's rock. little parts I've seen shows he can act pretty good.

 

Smashing Machine is not a failure, people just don't appreciate art

 

The budget being 50 million is ridiculous anyway. No one outside MMA hardcores knows or cares who the fuck Mark Kerr is. I have a vague recollection from the old UFC video games. Thats about it.

 

I haven't seen it but I haven't heard it's a flop at all, I've heard quite a few good things about it. Flop at the box office? Maybe, but we all know by now that making money doesn't necessarily equate to quality.

 

A lot of movies have been flops at the box office but went on to become classics.
It's a Wonderful Life, The Wizard of Oz, The Shawshank Redemption, Fight Club, etc.

 

I have heard alot of praise for Smashing Machine and Rock's performance.

I think this was not meant to be a 600 million profit action movie. It seems like carefully designed and geared to get him an Oscar.

 

15 minutes standing ovation my ass, it's been getting mid to bad reviews. The guy can't fucking act, he should just admit it and enjoy his gazillions of dollars before he becomes the president.

I haven't seen it but I haven't heard it's a flop at all, I've heard quite a few good things about it. Flop at the box office? Maybe, but we all know by now that making money doesn't necessarily equate to quality.

I have heard alot of praise for Smashing Machine and Rock's performance.

I think this was not meant to be a 600 million profit action movie. It seems like carefully designed and geared to get him an Oscar.

Yeah from what I've seen it's been mostly positive reviews so far?

 

I think we're in an era more so than ever where profit is the priority over all else, box office devotees just remind me of wrestling fans who still care about television ratings.

Neither are all that relevant anymore due to streaming and social media but you still have people who cling onto them.

 

This isn't a film that was made to get big box office numbers so I don't think we should pay much attention to how much money it makes.

Warrior (2011) another MMA film only made 23.3 million worldwide, but resulted in an Oscar Nomination for Nick Nolte and widely considered a great film despite its low box office.

 

No.

Not gonna lie, as a collective, the IWC over the past year has probably pushed him further into wanting to build an acting portfolio.

From hearing he's the reason for a bad turn to John and Dave are better actors, why entertain such a wish washy audience. I imagine singalong with The Rock is done for the foreseeable.

 

Not gonna lie, as a collective, the IWC over the past year has probably pushed him further into wanting to build an acting portfolio.

Good. Let him think people like me are the reason he doesn't want to come back, then I will know that I did my duty.

As far as him not coming back for the "foreseeable future", though, it's Rock vs Roman in Saudi Arabia.

 

A last run and an HOF next year.

 

The Rock is also not winning an Oscar for this.

The reviews are favourable, but he's essentially dipped his toe into being in those conversations and that's it right now. As Nothing Finer said, a nomination is probably the most he'll get.

The film itself could probably win an Oscar for something or other though. Just not Dwayne.

 

A nomination is still a HUGE deal.

 

Just watch the documentary instead.

 

Smashing Machine is getting critical buzz and likely get Duane an Oscar nomination.

That was the goal of the movie. It was never going to be a huge box office hit, especially in today's climate where only big blockbusters and spectacle really make money (and even that's slumping).

 

I haven't seen it but I haven't heard it's a flop at all, I've heard quite a few good things about it. Flop at the box office? Maybe, but we all know by now that making money doesn't necessarily equate to quality.

Opening weekend it grossed $6 million domestically. With a $50 million budget, its all but guaranteed to be a big flop unless somehow word of mouth gets out and people start watching it in droves, or international saves it.

This isn't a film that was made to get big box office numbers so I don't think we should pay much attention to how much money it makes.

Warrior (2011) another MMA film only made 23.3 million worldwide, but resulted in an Oscar Nomination for Nick Nolte and widely considered a great film despite its low box office.

The budget suggests it was made to get big box office. $50 million budget is insane to only gross $6 million opening. The Iron Claw (a really good movie) only got $5 million opening but the budget for that was $16 million. And it ended up making $45 million. So by those numbers, at best Smashing Machine will get about break even on budget recovery, without taking into account the PR expenses which could be another $20-50 million. The Rock is box office poison nowadays.

 

Opening weekend it grossed $6 million domestically. With a $50 million budget, its all but guaranteed to be a big flop unless somehow word of mouth gets out and people start watching it in droves, or international saves it.



The budget suggests it was made to get big box office. $50 million budget is insane to only gross $6 million opening. The Iron Claw (a really good movie) only got $5 million opening but the budget for that was $16 million. And it ended up making $45 million. So by those numbers, at best Smashing Machine will get about break even on budget recovery, without taking into account the PR expenses which could be another $20-50 million. The Rock is box office poison nowadays.

If it winds up coming close to it's production budget theatrically and maintains awards buzz that's a huge win.

The movie industry itself isn't reliant on box office any more. Like I said previously, The Irishman took in $8m against a production budget if $150m+ and was nominated for 10 Academy Awards.

 

The Smashing Machine is a kind of film that is not going to be a box office Juggernaut. So i wasn't expecting to make a lot of money. If it's feels like a failure is more about the budget of the film.

I saw the film yesterday, it thought it was pretty solid.

As for Rock performance, it was definitely one of his best acting roles.

As for a Oscar Nomination, I personally think he'll be a long shot contender. You only got 5 nominees.

I do think he at least has a much better shot at a Golden Globe Nomination

The movie industry itself isn't reliant on box office any more. Like I said previously, The Irishman took in $8m against a production budget if $150m+ and was nominated for 10 Academy Awards.

TBF to The Irishman, it was only briefly in theaters to qualify for Oscar contention. It was a Netflix steaming film unlike The Smashing Machine.

 

The Smashing Machine is a kind of film that is not going to be a box office Juggernaut. So i wasn't expecting to make a lot of money. If it's feels like a failure is more about the budget of the film.

I saw the film yesterday, it thought it was pretty solid.

As for Rock performance, it was definitely one of his best acting roles.

As for a Oscar Nomination, I personally think he'll be a long shot contender. You only got 5 nominees.

I do think he at least has a much better shot at a Golden Globe Nomination



TBF to The Irishman, it was only briefly in theaters to qualify for Oscar contention. It was a Netflix steaming film unlike The Smashing Machine.

With buzz surrounding Smashing Machine it will find a streaming home or multiple streaming homes fairly easily. Plus streamers will have to pay for the rights. That's an alternative means to recover the budget that lowers the reliance on box office performance. It's a new world.

 

"Failure" how?

I defended Rock's box office record after Black Adam, and still would. This is different, I don't think this was ever expected to be a box office success. This is more about the oscar buzz, which it clearly seems to have.

I'm a big fan of the rock, so i hope it gets him a nomination and even an award. Haven't seen the film yet. Who knows?

But my point is - I can't imagine this changes anything at all to his plans in regards to WWE return or not.

 

"Failure" how?

I defended Rock's box office record after Black Adam, and still would. This is different, I don't think this was ever expected to be a box office success. This is more about the oscar buzz, which it clearly seems to have.

I'm a big fan of the rock, so i hope it gets him a nomination and even an award. Haven't seen the film yet. Who knows?

But my point is - I can't imagine this changes anything at all to his plans in regards to WWE return or not.

Exactly. People thinking this film was ever planned to be a big box office draw are kidding themselves. Its a movie about mma and battles with drug addiction, that straight away is not gonna appeal to most demographics for a trip to the cinema, its a niche audience, it will likely do much better when it switches to streaming.

People are so used to rock doing big box office movies that they're oblivious to the fact this was never gonna be that.

 

The Rock vs Roman Reigns need to happen at Wrestlemania 43 in Saudi Arabia before The Rock retires from in ring competition.

 

Production costs: 50 milly

Box office: 6 milly


DAAAAAAAYYYYYUMMMM

 

That Oscar's either Dicaprio's or Micheal B Jordan's

 

That's the joke doing the rounds, but the bomb doesn't necessarily mean the awards prospects are dead (though it doesn't help) and that's clearly what this one was made for. He'll still have another round of press and society schmoozing to do come November/December when all the voting begins, so he'll be far too busy for all that.

Oscar nominations are announced January 22nd, and the Royal Rumble is January 31st, so if he gets snubbed for the former, I'd definitely expect him to show up in Saudi Arabia for the latter

 

Oscar nominations are announced January 22nd, and the Royal Rumble is January 31st, so if he gets snubbed for the former, I'd definitely expect him to show up in Saudi Arabia for the latter

And he probably is going to get stubbed.

Like i said earlier, he's got a better shot at a Golden Globe Nomination because a few years ago, they increased it to 6 nominee's and they have two separate categories, Comedy and Drama. Even he has a chance at a BAFTA Nomination since they have 6 nominee's.

If the Oscar did do what the Golden Globe did and make it 6 instead of 5 nominations, he might have gotten in..

 

73% from Rotten Tomatoes ain't too bad. 🍅

"Undoubtedly a well-made film with strong performances and a surprising amount of tenderness that sets it apart from typical sports dramas. It's a film that succeeds in its intentions but perhaps errs on the side of restraint."

 

Nah I don't care for him any more after undoing all the great stuff from last year.

 

You know it. He's already trying to figure out how to insert himself back into Cena's farewell tour.

 

A24 films aren't know for "blockbusters", pretty much the complete opposite.

I don't know what people here were expecting. 🤷‍♂️


I've seen around 80% of A24 films catalog. So while not an expert, I'm a fan of their films.

 

Yeah, A24 is an independent film studio. Civil War was the other film before The Smashing Machine that was their highest budgeted film at about 50 million too. They are usually lower budget films. But it's has had great success in winning awards especially at the Oscars.

Also people need to realize that what's included in the budget is the actors salary, which probably took a decent chuck of it especially Rock's. Even if he took a discount of his usually fee. The other is the makeup and prosthetics that took a good chuck.