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This wouldn't work any time soon considering they are limiting people inside the building. Apparently they stay out until they are needed and then when their portion of the show is done they exit.

Stephanie is best as a heel anyway.

I'm sure that someone in the WWE kept an eye on TNA when Russo was there. Back when the crowds were chanting fire Russo. That rat on a pole match in 2008 was such a great idea, wasn't it? No wonder Cody doesn't like him. Russo coming up with a stupid match for his brother in TNA. Theirs a reason why Russo hasn't been back in WWE: Most of his ideas suck and wouldn't work in 2020 in front of smart viewers.
 

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If there is anything recent years have proved, it's that many guys who "used" to be effective aren't effective now. Old guys were good for their time, but we need creative that speaks to a modern audience. Guys like McMahon, Pritchard, Heyman, Russo, Bischoff may have had their heyday for a past generation of fans, but it's clear that most if not all of these old guys have no idea what speaks to modern viewers.

It's just like Francis Ford Coppola, Will Friedkin, Ridley Scott, Peter Bogdanovich, Woody Allen, etc,. Just because they were great and relevant at one time in their careers doesn't mean they can do it for a modern audience. They spoke to the audiences of the 60s and 70s and 80s but the ones who speak to audiences of today are younger directors who are more in tune with the current generation.

The next American wrestling boom, if it even happens at all, won't be headed by crusty old guys from a bygone era. It will most definitely be spearheaded by a younger generation of creative minds and performers.
 

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So Russo's idea is a few wacky vignettes with Banks and Bayley serving food, and shit like that?

Last thing the WWE needs is more McMahons shitting on the Wrestlers on screen. Steph has done enough of that already.
 

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He never usually shares his actual ideas. It’s a lot of “Bro, you need character,” “Bro, these guys are boring. You need to make them not boring.” He’ll usually never explain how. THIS is the idea he decides to shop. His misplaced confidence says a lot.
 

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If there is anything recent years have proved, it's that many guys who "used" to be effective aren't effective now. Old guys were good for their time, but we need creative that speaks to a modern audience. Guys like McMahon, Pritchard, Heyman, Russo, Bischoff may have had their heyday for a past generation of fans, but it's clear that most if not all of these old guys have no idea what speaks to modern viewers.

It's just like Francis Ford Coppola, Will Friedkin, Ridley Scott, Peter Bogdanovich, Woody Allen, etc,. Just because they were great and relevant at one time in their careers doesn't mean they can do it for a modern audience. They spoke to the audiences of the 60s and 70s and 80s but the ones who speak to audiences of today are younger directors who are more in tune with the current generation.

The next American wrestling boom, if it even happens at all, won't be headed by crusty old guys from a bygone era. It will most definitely be spearheaded by a younger generation of creative minds and performers.
It was said back in the 1990s in a Pro Wrestling Torch Talk with either Terry Funk or Jerry Jarrett that every great booker has one good run in them. And if you look at history, that's true:

Dusty Rhodes: His creative peak was the mid 80s, and then became repetitive
Vince Russo: Creative peak 1997 - 1999.
Pat Patterson: Creative peak 1985 - 1989
Paul Heyman: Creative peak 1994 - 1997
Bill Watts: Mid 80s

Even though each of these men had chances to lead Creative after their peaks, and none were able to engineer a second period equal or superior to their original prominence. It's not that it cannot happen (James Cameron in Hollywood pops out to me) - it's just that it has not happened in wrestling.

As for the ages, you're right. All of the people listed above were in their 30s to mid 40s when they had their primary run. And the people making the decisions off of that creative - Jim Crockett, Vince McMahon, and Todd Gordon were also around the same age. In the case of Todd Gordon, he was in his 30s. The challenge in WWE is that you could have the next Vince Russo, Pat Patterson, or Paul Heyman...or perhaps all of them...lurking in your writer's room. But the content is being decided upon by someone who is now 74 years old, while ideas, characters, and storylines are being developed by people who are now forty or fifty years younger than him.

And to think people want this motherfucker back in booking lmao.

Where's the clown outfits? I need to pass some out.
There's room for him in Creative as another voice.
 

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If they did that, it'd be Stephanie humiliating a wrestler again with the no payoff. The only time in years anybody got any tangible payback on her was what, when Rousey beat her and her husband with Kurt Angle at a WM?
The reason Vince McMahon worked as a heel in the 1990s was he let himself be mocked and made a fool of all the time in these extravagant ways.
 

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Vince was a great heel because he used his position to put over his top stars. That is how it is supposed to go. I'm pretty shocked he's forgotten that formula, except with how he uses Baron Corbin (he's basically the only major heel now who is used how a heel is supposed to)
 

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Vince was a great heel because he used his position to put over his top stars. That is how it is supposed to go. I'm pretty shocked he's forgotten that formula, except with how he uses Baron Corbin (he's basically the only major heel now who is used how a heel is supposed to)
The problem is thesedays every heel in WWE is a jobber that never wins anything. All the Babyfaces are superhero's that can never lose.
 

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The problem is thesedays every heel in WWE is a jobber that never wins anything. All the Babyfaces are superhero's that can never lose.
Bayley has been champ for over a year, and a heel for about 11 months or so now.

Seth has had the upper hand on Rey for months

Brock has been murking people for years.

Alexa's reign went on forever without comeuppance in 2017, and when somebody eventually beat her, nobody cared anymore.

Sasha and Bayley can win everything in the short term, but there's no point to this run for the company if there is no babyface or babyfaces who eventually beat the shit out of them, especially if they don't even move metrics positively.

Casual viewers aren't smarks. This is why NXT has a ceiling with their booking. On that promotion they appeal to smarks with long heel runs but there's a cap to the audience you can get over there.
 

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Bayley has been champ for over a year, and a heel for about 11 months or so now.

Seth has had the upper hand on Rey for months

Brock has been murking people for years.

Alexa's reign went on forever without comeuppance in 2017, and when somebody eventually beat her, nobody cared anymore.

Sasha and Bayley can win everything in the short term, but there's no point to this run for the company if there is no babyface or babyfaces who eventually beat the shit out of them, especially if they don't even move metrics positively.

Casual viewers aren't smarks. This is why NXT has a ceiling with their booking. On that promotion they appeal to smarks with long heel runs but there's a cap to the audience you can get over there.
Those few people you listed it are pretty much it though.

Miz-jobber. Morrison-jobber. Corbin-jobber. Ziggler-jobber. Lashley-until recently jobber. There may be a couple of heels that win often, but for the most part WWE's heels are all geeks that are just fed to the unlikable, insanely dull babyfaces.
 

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Bayley has been champ for over a year, and a heel for about 11 months or so now.

Seth has had the upper hand on Rey for months

Brock has been murking people for years.

Alexa's reign went on forever without comeuppance in 2017, and when somebody eventually beat her, nobody cared anymore.

Sasha and Bayley can win everything in the short term, but there's no point to this run for the company if there is no babyface or babyfaces who eventually beat the shit out of them, especially if they don't even move metrics positively.

Casual viewers aren't smarks. This is why NXT has a ceiling with their booking. On that promotion they appeal to smarks with long heel runs but there's a cap to the audience you can get over there.
Is it even that, or is it that WWE leadership (particularly Levesque) became married to AWA/JCP style heat booking with nearly uninterrupted heel reigns with a variety of valiant baby faces chasing them? Ive posted about it recently - no babyface until Drew held the world title on RAW for 100 days or more over the last six years.
 

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HELL NO AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CAUSE I SAID SO!!!
 
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