That makes sense! Thanks for clarifying!
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Claudio vs. Jericho and FTR vs. Gunns (unless they get this done in AEW before) seem set so far with Athena vs. Mercedes to follow. Tbh it looks like a mid-level Dynamite card and less ROH in spirit than previous PPVs in the AEW era. Not something I'd be quick to hand over money for.
I'd like to see the Briscoes get a big match, get the OGK on the card (since AEW has barely used them so far), do some cool lucha match (Bandido/Dragon Lee vs. Rush/???, finally following up on Rush betraying his brother?), and have Garcia defend the Pure Title against someone with a ROH history like Gresham, Doug Williams, Fred Yehi or Davey Richards. And find an interesting babyface opponent for Samoa Joe if he's still TV champ by then, possibly someone from NJPW, DDT, AAA or NOAH.
Maybe switch the six-man belts from Dalton & The Boys to The Embassy too because god knows they need something after being made to look like jobbers vs. WarJoe/FTR.
I'd like to see the Briscoes get a big match, get the OGK on the card (since AEW has barely used them so far), do some cool lucha match (Bandido/Dragon Lee vs. Rush/???, finally following up on Rush betraying his brother?), and have Garcia defend the Pure Title against someone with a ROH history like Gresham, Doug Williams, Fred Yehi or Davey Richards. And find an interesting babyface opponent for Samoa Joe if he's still TV champ by then, possibly someone from NJPW, DDT, AAA or NOAH.
Maybe switch the six-man belts from Dalton & The Boys to The Embassy too because god knows they need something after being made to look like jobbers vs. WarJoe/FTR.
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If Claudio loses he needs to join JAS? Makes it obvious to me he is losing and that Jericho has taken it on as his mission to get Claudio top guy over for the first time in his career.
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So we're looking at...
ROH WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
“The Ocho” Chris Jericho -c- vs. Claudio Castagnoli
- Confirmed
ROH WOMEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP
Mercedes Martinez -c- vs. Athena
- They set it up on Dark to the excitement of literally no one.
ROH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
FTR -c- vs. The Gunn Club
- They've been pushing these two teams against each other and FTR has to get on this card, so why not?
Those are guarantees I'd say given how everything is going. Yeah...not great.
Now, to spice up the card a little more, I'd add these.
ROH PURE CHAMPIONSHIP
Daniel Garcia -c- vs. Brian Danielson
- I mean they put so much story into Daniel Garcia, I'd seem weird if they didn't do this match, right?
ROH SIX MAN TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
Dalton Castle and The Boys -c- vs. The Elite
- Get The Elite on the card, and have them win the Six Man Tag Titles, leading to the end of the Best of 7 for the Trios Titles to be a unification match.
ROH TELEVISION & AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP
Samoa Joe -c- vs. Wardlow
- Let the two hoss' battle for both belts, officially unify both belts and be done with it.
FOUR CORNERS TRIOS QUALIFYING MATCH
The Embassy vs. The Kingdom vs. Jay Lethal, Satnam Singh, and Sonjay Dutt vs. The Briscoes/Colt Cabana
- Fuck it. Just throw bodies in there and get people to pop for spots and the talents in there. Winning team gets a Trios Title shot at the winners of the best of 7.
ROH WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
“The Ocho” Chris Jericho -c- vs. Claudio Castagnoli
- Confirmed
ROH WOMEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP
Mercedes Martinez -c- vs. Athena
- They set it up on Dark to the excitement of literally no one.
ROH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
FTR -c- vs. The Gunn Club
- They've been pushing these two teams against each other and FTR has to get on this card, so why not?
Those are guarantees I'd say given how everything is going. Yeah...not great.
Now, to spice up the card a little more, I'd add these.
ROH PURE CHAMPIONSHIP
Daniel Garcia -c- vs. Brian Danielson
- I mean they put so much story into Daniel Garcia, I'd seem weird if they didn't do this match, right?
ROH SIX MAN TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
Dalton Castle and The Boys -c- vs. The Elite
- Get The Elite on the card, and have them win the Six Man Tag Titles, leading to the end of the Best of 7 for the Trios Titles to be a unification match.
ROH TELEVISION & AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP
Samoa Joe -c- vs. Wardlow
- Let the two hoss' battle for both belts, officially unify both belts and be done with it.
FOUR CORNERS TRIOS QUALIFYING MATCH
The Embassy vs. The Kingdom vs. Jay Lethal, Satnam Singh, and Sonjay Dutt vs. The Briscoes/Colt Cabana
- Fuck it. Just throw bodies in there and get people to pop for spots and the talents in there. Winning team gets a Trios Title shot at the winners of the best of 7.
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Right now this Final Battle card feels more like an AEW B show. Lacking a real ROH feel in the matches meant to sell the show.
This show gives me a feeling similar to watching what happened with ECW after it was purchased by, and absorbed into, WWE.
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It's just weird because the last two ROH cards he bokked felt more like ROH cards.
ROH's best ever buyrate was 36,100 (27,000 streaming, 9,100 traditional) for Death Before Dishonor 2022 with FTR vs. Briscoes II, so he'd probably have to buy the PPV 65,000 times himself to reach that number.
The other AEW-era ROH PPV, Supercard of Honor, did 19,200 buys (15,500 streaming, 3,700 traditional).
From 2009~2013, their highest iPPV buyrate was 2,100 for Best in the World 2011 so there's not exactly a high benchmark (though I can't find any data on the modern PPVs including the Elite era, probably because of HonorClub).
I've bought the last two ROH PPVs and even though I have enough credits on FITE for a free PPV, I'm considering not buying this one and saving those credits for Revolution 2023.
It's looking like an episode of Dynamite so far. If they do something interesting with the Briscoes, luchadores, and Pure Title, I may change my plans though. A ROH show needs to do something interesting with ROH staples or else it isn't really a ROH show. The last two PPVs had enough ROH elements to sell me.
Athena vs. Mercedes is official. Athena will take the belt I'm pretty sure.
Getting serious ECW December to Dismember 2006 vibes from the card so far. Obviously won't be wretchedly bad like that was, the comparison being that the show felt nothing like ECW and this feels nothing like ROH.
I've argued on here that the last two PPVs did have plenty of ROH features to them, but this one doesn't... yet.
TK could try booking Vikingo for this show since he's heading to America for the first time. GCW are billing his 12/16 appearance for them as his U.S. debut but TK has the AAA relationship to cut in front of GCW.
Getting serious ECW December to Dismember 2006 vibes from the card so far. Obviously won't be wretchedly bad like that was, the comparison being that the show felt nothing like ECW and this feels nothing like ROH.
I've argued on here that the last two PPVs did have plenty of ROH features to them, but this one doesn't... yet.
TK could try booking Vikingo for this show since he's heading to America for the first time. GCW are billing his 12/16 appearance for them as his U.S. debut but TK has the AAA relationship to cut in front of GCW.
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Excited for this one.
Updated card. It's starting to look better but where's my Briscoes at?
Shane and Keith teamed together in ROH, challenged for the tag belts and feuded with War Machine (Viking Raiders), so there's some ROH-relevant history there. Juice also worked a handful of shows for ROH while with NJPW, challenging Marty Scurll for the TV Title.
Some trivia: Everyone on the card besides Jericho (Jericho Cruise was supported by ROH but not really ROH) and Garcia worked ROH dates in the pre-AEW era, including Athena and Yuta.
ROH World Title: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Claudio Castagnoli
ROH Pure Title: Daniel Garcia (c) vs. Wheeler Yuta
ROH Women’s Title: Mercedes Martinez (c) vs. Athena
ROH World TV Title: Samoa Joe (c) vs. Juice Robinson
Shane Taylor vs. Keith Lee
Shane and Keith teamed together in ROH, challenged for the tag belts and feuded with War Machine (Viking Raiders), so there's some ROH-relevant history there. Juice also worked a handful of shows for ROH while with NJPW, challenging Marty Scurll for the TV Title.
Some trivia: Everyone on the card besides Jericho (Jericho Cruise was supported by ROH but not really ROH) and Garcia worked ROH dates in the pre-AEW era, including Athena and Yuta.
ROH World Title: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Claudio Castagnoli
ROH Pure Title: Daniel Garcia (c) vs. Wheeler Yuta
ROH Women’s Title: Mercedes Martinez (c) vs. Athena
ROH World TV Title: Samoa Joe (c) vs. Juice Robinson
Shane Taylor vs. Keith Lee
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I think Lee is untrustingly tagging with Swerve to take on Taylor and Griffey and it isn't a singles match.
Missing from the card currently :
Dalton Castle & The Boys
Briscoes
Gates of Agony
Kingdom
Brian Cage
Alex Zayne
Blake Christian
Tony Deppen
Dragon Lee
Colt Cabana (probably on Zero Hour).
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Rather not have Yuta vs Garcia again so soon.
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Strong WWECW December to Dismember energy going into this one.
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As of right now I would say the match I'm most interested in is Athena vs. Mercedes. Athena has finally tapped into something interesting with this heel turn.
Jericho vs. Claudio will be good, but I'm also beyond done with BCC vs. JAS and I'm not really excited for either outcome. Either Claudio loses to Jericho again and has to join his group or Jericho's reign (which I've enjoyed) ends to the guy who he beat it for in the 1st place. And I like Claudio, but I'm hoping for something a bit more inspired than the belt going right back to him.
Jericho vs. Claudio will be good, but I'm also beyond done with BCC vs. JAS and I'm not really excited for either outcome. Either Claudio loses to Jericho again and has to join his group or Jericho's reign (which I've enjoyed) ends to the guy who he beat it for in the 1st place. And I like Claudio, but I'm hoping for something a bit more inspired than the belt going right back to him.
Can’t believe this PPV is days away and only 5 matches have been announced. Surely the buy rate will be awful! No PPV in 2022 should be headlined by Chris Jeriatric. 2 charisma vacuums battling for the Pure title. How did Juice get a title shot? The last ROH show was fairly good and headlined by a great tag match but I can’t see too many paying for this one
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It's odd that a bunch of the talent signed for ROH aren't even on this card. Why bother renewing Brian Cage then? Where's The Kingdom? Briscoes? Dalton Castle? Say what you want about main event Taven, but at least he's a name to anyone left following ROH...for better or worse. Just keep the belt off him and he's fine, similar to Justin Credible.
Here's the card with the show only a few days away:
ROH World Championship: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Claudio Castagnoli
ROH World Television Championship: Samoa Joe (c) vs. Juice Robinson
ROH Women’s World Championship: Mercedes Martinez (c) vs. Athena
ROH Pure Championship: Daniel Garcia (c) vs. Wheeler Yuta
Swerve In Our Glory (Keith Lee & Swerve Strickland) vs. Shane Taylor and JD Griffey
If I'm Khan I'm throwing Takeshita vs Bandido on here for some last minute eyeballs.
Here's the card with the show only a few days away:
ROH World Championship: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Claudio Castagnoli
ROH World Television Championship: Samoa Joe (c) vs. Juice Robinson
ROH Women’s World Championship: Mercedes Martinez (c) vs. Athena
ROH Pure Championship: Daniel Garcia (c) vs. Wheeler Yuta
Swerve In Our Glory (Keith Lee & Swerve Strickland) vs. Shane Taylor and JD Griffey
If I'm Khan I'm throwing Takeshita vs Bandido on here for some last minute eyeballs.
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