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Well, sorry, but that's just how the business works. Being a great wrestler doesn't guarantee you get over.
You have a certain spark that goes over with the audience, and you'll get, ideally, a good spot. People like being entertained by Enzo, and that's a GOOD thing.
The way people like Enzo Amore should lay to rest the persistent myth that "smarks" only like "dives".

If you have a great charisma, and Enzo does, you should get a good spot. If you don't draw ANY heat, or ANY viewers, you're a placeholder. Simple as that.

Really, the far bigger story in all of this is that Vince, who humiliated Enzo on a weekly basis for sport, didn't fuck up Enzo, and instead installed him in a semi-important spot because people react to him.
That's a real miracle. Because usually, if someone gets over on his own without Vince's consent, he is beaten and humiliated.
And he did try with Enzo, but it didn't work. So, he casts him away to the cruiserweights, and he's still over.

Enzo did in two weeks more than Neville did in a year for that division.
I didn't mean to imply Enzo didnt have the it factor or the ability to entertain. It's undeniable what he's done to bring eyes to the division.

I also think it absolutely should light fires under everyone elses butt. It shouldn't make them necessarily happy.

Neville was so pissed he walked, the rest I hope get angry and but do something extra to stand out.
 

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They cant all do a Cody Rhodes and jump ship. Indies can only generate so much money. Neville should be alright. He could also return to the UK.
If more top stars go to the indies, that means more people will go to those shows, so they can start booking bigger venues, which means more money to pay the talent.
 

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we need an alan sugar type geezer to come out the wood work with plenty of paper and kick start WCW part 2 tbh.

its got to happen at some point surely....maybe.
 

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i've said it before and i'll say it again, if your name is not roman reigns or jinder then wwe creative and higher ups couldn't give a shit about you, hunter better be thankful that vince and co can't touch nxt
The same thing happens in every promotion though. You think the bookers in ROH give a fuck about their lower midcarders like that. You think NJPW really cares about guys in their lower midcard.

If even one reasonably big name joins ROH alongside Daniel Bryan, WWE is very suddenly going to have some real trouble on their hands.
Yeah right, wrestling fans have made it very clear over the years that they don't travel with stars when they leave. TNA got how many big names from wrestling in general and never came close to being a real threat.
 

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The same thing happens in every promotion though. You think the bookers in ROH give a fuck about their lower midcarders like that. You think NJPW really cares about guys in their lower midcard.



Yeah right, wrestling fans have made it very clear over the years that they don't travel with stars when they leave. TNA got how many big names from wrestling in general and never came close to being a real threat.
Thing is fans will follow people like Bryan for the fact he is easily the best wrestler wwe has under contract and he isnt allowed to wrestle .. wwe is no where as good as it used to be. come on half of us fast forward most of it ! and wwe sign the guys like adam cole etc becuase they know fans will follow them to the wwe it works both ways
 

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Thing is fans will follow people like Bryan for the fact he is easily the best wrestler wwe has under contract and he isnt allowed to wrestle .. wwe is no where as good as it used to be. come on half of us fast forward most of it ! and wwe sign the guys like adam cole etc becuase they know fans will follow them to the wwe it works both ways
It doesn't work both ways, let's be real the majority of the folk watching ROH and NJPW also watch WWE. So it's not like WWE are gaining new viewers when they get an Adam Cole or AJ Styles type. The flip though when folk leave they don't bring enough fans to their new promotion to make things change. Bryan isn't going to bring enough eyes to ROH for it to matter. I mean Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle didn't make enough of an impact that TNA could challenge WWE. They were much bigger stars (more folk watching wrestling then) and TNA had the benefit of being on Spike TV at that. Bryan going to ROH will provide a small boost, that will eventually down.
 

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Yeah right, wrestling fans have made it very clear over the years that they don't travel with stars when they leave. TNA got how many big names from wrestling in general and never came close to being a real threat.
The TNA of 2010 was competing with the WWE of 2010.

The WWE of 2017 are a very pale comparison of that WWE. Their ratings and attendances are in the dumpsters.

If TNA managed to maintain their ratings from that period instead of imploding, they would be a very serious threat to the WWE and be closing in on their ratings.

WWE are weaker than ever, especially with the TV deal coming up and them possibly losing a lot of money if those negotiations go badly.
 

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If more top stars go to the indies, that means more people will go to those shows, so they can start booking bigger venues, which means more money to pay the talent.
It doesn't really work that way.

RoH and TNA had stacked rosters in 2002, as some of the people who were casuaties of WCW dying were available, and wrestling was coming off of it's biggest boom periods.

Both of those companies almost went under right away.

The indies still have a cap and a limit to who they can sign.

WWE are weaker than ever, especially with the TV deal coming up and them possibly losing a lot of money if those negotiations go badly.
NJPW, and RoH, pretty much have the hardcore crowd.

The problem is the casual fans are where WWE makes the difference.

The indy crowd will flock to the indy show, but the 32 year old father of 3 who was watching Sting come down from the rafters doesn't give a fuck Dave Meltzer rated a match 6 stars.

That is the person that those federations have to get to migrate if they want to even sniff TNA 2010 numbers, and they can't do that without pissing off their loyal customers.

How would they get around that problem?

Oh and then there is the "no network wants to show wrestling" problem too.
 

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NJPW, and RoH, pretty much have the hardcore crowd.

The problem is the casual fans are where WWE makes the difference.

The indy crowd will flock to the indy show, but the 32 year old father of 3 who was watching Sting come down from the rafters doesn't give a fuck Dave Meltzer rated a match 6 stars.

That is the person that those federations have to get to migrate if they want to even sniff TNA 2010 numbers, and they can't do that without pissing off their loyal customers.

How would they get around that problem?

Oh and then there is the "no network wants to show wrestling" problem too.
WWE are approaching TNA numbers. That BS about "casuals" is truly out the window.
 

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The TNA of 2010 was competing with the WWE of 2010.

The WWE of 2017 are a very pale comparison of that WWE. Their ratings and attendances are in the dumpsters.

If TNA managed to maintain their ratings from that period instead of imploding, they would be a very serious threat to the WWE and be closing in on their ratings.

WWE are weaker than ever, especially with the TV deal coming up and them possibly losing a lot of money if those negotiations go badly.
They are weaker and still lapping the competition in a big way. It's not like they've fell off to the point they're actually in trouble of going out of business. Fans haven't shown the ability to travel with talent to their new promotion since the WCW days. I don't know why folk think this is going to change with Bryan. Yeah Bryan is over as fuck, but Jeff Hardy was over as fuck and the promotion he went to actually had a good TV deal and they still couldn't really compete. Bryan and somebody else going to ROH isn't going to give enough of a boost to make it a viable competitor. It will be great in the sense that for fans like us there's more top talent outside of WWE, but that's about the extent of it


WWE are approaching TNA numbers. That BS about "casuals" is truly out the window.
It's really not though. I know fans like us want to pretend that the hardcore fans are the majority now, but they aren't. If they were these other promotions would actually be competition right now.
 

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It's really not though. I know fans like us want to pretend that the hardcore fans are the majority now, but they aren't. If they were these other promotions would actually be competition right now.
Well in the US there is only really ROH and they aren't even pushing to be bigger than they are. New Japan are doing that but they are based in Japan (where WWE is not even competition to them).

Fact is though that WWE ratings are getting close to what TNA was doing just 8 years after their inception.

In the past a company getting the same or better tv ratings than WWE would have been seen as impossible but with how badly the WWE standards have fallen, its now very possible for another company to reach that level of viewership.

Now we just need to wait and see who takes up the challenge.

TNA must be kicking themselves over how badly they mismanaged everything. By now they could have been a very serious threat to WWE if they had only stayed on the right path.
 

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Well in the US there is only really ROH and they aren't even pushing to be bigger than they are. New Japan are doing that but they are based in Japan (where WWE is not even competition to them).

Fact is though that WWE ratings are getting close to what TNA was doing just 8 years after their inception.

In the past a company getting the same or better tv ratings than WWE would have been seen as impossible but with how badly the WWE standards have fallen, its now very possible for another company to reach that level of viewership.

Now we just need to wait and see who takes up the challenge.

TNA must be kicking themselves over how badly they mismanaged everything. By now they could have been a very serious threat to WWE if they had only stayed on the right path.
They're down no doubt, but yet they're still one of the higher rated shows on TV and are still far ahead of the competition. How is ROH going to compete with their current TV deal? How is ROH going to compete when it's main focus is hardcore fans like us? Look at the ratings TNA and LU get they are on hard to find channels and truly do have a mostly hardcore wrestling fan fan base.

Options that can provide actual competition is definitely needed in the business. But becoming competition isn't going to be as simple as getting one or two big names. I think it would take a combination of big names, a new presentation on wrestling like LU, as well as a quality TV deal before they have actual competition.

I agree on TNA I still hate that they let Hogan and them come in and fuck up the good thing they had.
 

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I think it would let them be more free.
You're neglecting the basic problem, the incompetence of the leadership. Making things more "edgy" isn't going to make it any better if it doesn't have a base quality. It also is in no way going to help the talent be treated any better, that, again, all comes from the leadership. If half of what leaks to the net is true it looks like a field of typical egomaniacs that smile to your face and knife you in the back. No change of tv rating is going to help that. WWE needs systemic changes in leadership ethics.

There is also the sponsors.. No one but them and maybe Vince knows exactly for sure what they would allow. For a company clinging to razor thin profit margins, you can't exactly go out cheesing off your sponsors without a radical back up plan, which again, I so very highly doubt anyone in the WWE front office could work together long enough to pull off.
 
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