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Let me recap this weeks Raw...
Feel free to try and name sense of this absolute pandemonium.


- Rollins acting like a babyface while being booed out of his boots was hilarious.

- I don’t know who these 3 Imperial create a wrestler twigs with the Wade Barrett knock off are, but one of them got buried by getting pinned by Seth after getting hit with the wrestling’s most exploited move The Curb Stomp

- Lana & Rusev storyline... what was the point of that?

- Eric Rowan’s cage... what was the point of that?

- Who were these jobbers who fought the Viking raiders, are they supposed to be a threat sent from NXT.

- Also why does the only pushes Latino wrestler on the roster has a name that sounds like Alberto Del Rio? lol!

- Randy Orton staying what we’ve known for about 16 years now. “He does what he does”.

- Where’s the Fiend, is he still on Raw or is he on Smackdown now?

Seriously, seeing this shit after Full Gear makes me wonder why I even bother anymore. I honestly don’t know why.
 

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- The top male babyface getting booed is hardly a new thing. Been happening for YEARS.

- Wrestler losing match does not equal "buried". Did you also just call Walter a "Wade Barrett knock off"? :lol

- The Lana/Rusex storyline isn't exactly going to win an emmy, but at least they are trying to give storylines to people not challenging for titles.

- The Fiend is on Smackdown. He was drafted there.
 

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- The top male babyface getting booed is hardly a new thing. Been happening for YEARS.

- Wrestler losing match does not equal "buried". Did you also just call Walter a "Wade Barrett knock off"? <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />

- The Lana/Rusex storyline isn't exactly going to win an emmy, but at least they are trying to give storylines to people not challenging for titles.

- The Fiend is on Smackdown. He was drafted there.
Regarding the burial thing. I have two things to ask you:

1. If you lose to a move that been exploited as many times as the CS has, isn’t that a burial. Imagine losing to something like regular or one of those Irish whip opponent then bend over and get kicked to the head moves. These are moves the types of moves that one can perform 20 times and still have an opponent kick out of... now the CS can be added to the list.

2. Do you honestly see whoever it was that ate the pin ever succeeding on the main roster?
 

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Re: Raw: once a staple show in households, now the epitome of “Why bother?”

Regarding the burial thing. I have two things to ask you:

1. If you lose to a move that been exploited as many times as the CS has, isn’t that a burial. Imagine losing to something like regular or one of those Irish whip opponent then bend over and get kicked to the head moves. These are moves the types of moves that one can perform 20 times and still have an opponent kick out of... now the CS can be added to the list.

2. Do you honestly see whoever it was that ate the pin ever succeeding on the main roster?
I haven't actually seen RAW yet so I have no idea who got pinned. If it was Walter then I don't think you have to worry about him succeeding on the main roster. He has no interest in joining the main roster. If it wasn't Walter then who honestly cares? They are his 3 henchman. Generally there to eat pins on the groups behalf. Can't see any of them being moved to the main roster without him either.

As for the point about the curb stomp. I think you are putting far too much faith in WWE continuity. The majority of their decisions make little sense. People kicking out of finishers is not new but someone kicking out of the amount Rollins did to The Fiend is. Doesn't mean it won't get forgotten about by WWE in a matter of weeks though. They did it to make The Fiend look borderline indestructible (in a really dumb way of course!)

Remember when Kane and Undertaker each debuted? They were both impervious to pain..... for a while at least. It's the same thing they are doing with The Fiend, except now everyone can go online and moan about it.
 

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Regarding the burial thing. I have two things to ask you:

1. If you lose to a move that been exploited as many times as the CS has, isn’t that a burial. Imagine losing to something like regular or one of those Irish whip opponent then bend over and get kicked to the head moves. These are moves the types of moves that one can perform 20 times and still have an opponent kick out of... now the CS can be added to the list.

2. Do you honestly see whoever it was that ate the pin ever succeeding on the main roster?
I haven't actually seen RAW yet so I have no idea who got pinned. If it was Walter then I don't think you have to worry about him succeeding on the main roster. He has no interest in joining the main roster. If it wasn't Walter then who honestly cares? They are his 3 henchman. Generally there to eat pins on the groups behalf. Can't see any of them being moved to the main roster without him either.

As for the point about the curb stomp. I think you are putting far too much faith in WWE continuity. The majority of their decisions make little sense. People kicking out of finishers is not new but someone kicking out of the amount Rollins did to The Fiend is. Doesn't mean it won't get forgotten about by WWE in a matter of weeks though. They did it to make The Fiend look borderline indestructible (in a really dumb way of course!)

Remember when Kane and Undertaker each debuted? They were both impervious to pain..... for a while at least. It's the same thing they are doing with The Fiend, except now everyone can go online and moan about it.
I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (something an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
 

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Re: Raw: once a staple show in households, now the epitome of “Why bother?”

I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (something an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
The fact that AEW isn't setting the world on fire is probably why they're not trying that hard. Vince was ready for a war but AEW doesn't have the artillery to compete yet. NXT has been the most consistent show and SD at least has wrestlers who are willing to put others over.
 

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Re: Raw: once a staple show in households, now the epitome of “Why bother?”

I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (something an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
Vince gonna Vince? I've given up trying to make sense of the majority of their booking decisions. Especially the ones involving ex Shield members!
 

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Re: Raw: once a staple show in households, now the epitome of “Why bother?”

I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (something an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
IIRC, there were reports of the HIAC ending being changed on the fly due to them thinking that Bray was hurt? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the HIAC match that we got was not the one that was planned. Using those events to criticize character building seems a bit unfair. :)
 

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Re: Raw: once a staple show in households, now the epitome of “Why bother?”

RAW was decent for the first time in a while.

Let me recap this weeks Raw...
Feel free to try and name sense of this absolute pandemonium.

- Rollins acting like a babyface while being booed out of his boots was hilarious.

- Lana & Rusev storyline... what was the point of that?

- Eric Rowan’s cage... what was the point of that?

- Where’s the Fiend, is he still on Raw or is he on Smackdown now?

- I don’t know who these 3 Imperial create a wrestler twigs with the Wade Barrett knock off are
These are the only points I'm going to bother to address. I was really trying to build a decent response to this. Every thread deserves to be looked at with an open mind.

That said, it sounds like you haven't watched WWE since 2010 and heard through the social media grapevine that WWE wasn't exactly spectacular right now, so you decide to just shit on the product to be cool.

It's obvious that you've got no care to look up any of the details about what's been going on in WWE, you have no idea who is on which show, all your references are from an era nearly a decade ago, but you still make shitty posts about something you know nothing about?

Why are you even posting on a WWE sub-forum lol

- Also why does the only pushes Latino wrestler on the roster has a name that sounds like Alberto Del Rio? lol!
Also: because it's the Latin language - educate yourself, you fucking fridge magnet.

:delrio
 

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I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (someething an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
The fact that AEW isn't setting the world on fire is probably why they're not trying that hard. Vince was ready for a war but AEW doesn't have the artillery to compete yet. NXT has been the most consistent show and SD at least has wrestlers who are willing to put others over.
If hats the same NXT that’s on Raw and Smackdown then I’m afraid I’m just not seeing the whole excitement for it. It’s just short skinny dudes in bland trunks. But at least AEW has Mox, Omega, Cody, Jericho, Hangman, Pac, Hager and Guevara and MJF. Yeah I know, some of these dudes are skinny dudes in trunks but at least they know how to play genie characters and get booed or cheered depending on their role while character rim WWR programming are inconsistently portrayed and fans end up boo the face and cheer the heel out of spite.

I won’t spoil it for you any further regarding who ate the pin.

I guess I am putting too much faith in it. I’m just frustrated that I stupidly got my hopes up for WWE hoping their game when AEW debuted on TV and it’s been 7 weeks and it seems that WWE aren’t even trying to do anything. I can easily stop watching, but the wrestling fan inside of me doesn’t want to in case a miracle happens and WWE actually becomes watchable for at least a week.

Also if they wanted to make the fiend look like a strong monster then why did he laid on his ass for 10 minutes while Rollins was whacking him with weapons (something an average human would do) and then lose the HIAC match?
IIRC, there were reports of the HIAC ending being changed on the fly due to them thinking that Bray was hurt? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the HIAC match that we got was not the one that was planned. Using those events to criticize character building seems a bit unfair. <img src="http://www.wrestlingforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
I don’t recall that being the reason. Also Bray hadn’t wrestled for a while, how’d he get injured if not via training or outside of wrestling?
 

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RAW was decent for the first time in a while.

Let me recap this weeks Raw...
Feel free to try and name sense of this absolute pandemonium.

- Rollins acting like a babyface while being booed out of his boots was hilarious.

- Lana & Rusev storyline... what was the point of that?

- Eric Rowan’s cage... what was the point of that?

- Where’s the Fiend, is he still on Raw or is he on Smackdown now?

- I don’t know who these 3 Imperial create a wrestler twigs with the Wade Barrett knock off are
These are the only points I'm going to bother to address. I was really trying to build a decent response to this. Every thread deserves to be looked at with an open mind.

That said, it sounds like you haven't watched WWE since 2010 and heard through the social media grapevine that WWE wasn't exactly spectacular right now, so you decide to just shit on the product to be cool.

It's obvious that you've got no care to look up any of the details about what's been going on in WWE, you have no idea who is on which show, all your references are from an era nearly a decade ago, but you still make shitty posts about something you know nothing about?

Why are you even posting on a WWE sub-forum lol

- Also why does the only pushes Latino wrestler on the roster has a name that sounds like Alberto Del Rio? lol!
Also: because it's the Latin language - educate yourself, you fucking fridge magnet.

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/wmshJ99.png" border="0" alt="" title="Del Rio" class="inlineimg" />
I’m posting about a WWE show, where else do you want me to post it?

Please explain to me which reference are from an era that’s a decade old.

Finally, I’m sorry but I had no clue Latino names all sounded the same because “they’re Latin” If that’s the case then by your logic the names “Sin Cara”, “Alberto Del Rio” or “Rey Mysterio” sound the same as each other because “hurrr durrr Latin!”
Racist much?
 

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Finally, I’m sorry but I had no clue Latino names all sounded the same because “they’re Latin” If that’s the case then by your logic the names “Sin Cara”, “Alberto Del Rio” or “Rey Mysterio” sound the same as each other because “hurrr durrr Latin!”
Racist much?
fpalm :lol
 

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Imperium is basically geeks and led by walter. Also calling walter a wade Barrett knock off is completely and utterly retarded. So Wolfe eating the pin don't matter and Bartel and aichner will eventually be tag Champs so losing won't hurt them. Especially considering that it was to a former world champ.

Your Latino comment about racism I'm not touching until you realize the irony.

Other than that your right. I tuned in for walter cause his always must see. And to see drew murder Cara. And the randy ricochet stuff
 

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I turned if off after Asuka was done. The rest of the show sounded pathetic from the spoilers. I was hoping AEW would light a fire under Vince but so far he is just happy to collect his millions from USA and Fox and phone it in.
 

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A lot of the booking decisions leave me feeling like that these days. Nothing happens, literally nothing happens on this show. Things happen but nothing changes. The people are slotted where they are slotted and wins and loses don't matter. Bryan lost to Cole but is given a title shot to Bray.... Lana says she's pregnant but at the end of the segment says it was a lie.... Thank god for NXT, NWA, and AEW because the WWE storytelling is hitting an all time low for me.
 

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It's a total waste of 3 hours watching it live. You're better served just waiting til it's all on YouTube & just cherry picking your favourites segment/match.

I get through everything I need to see on Raw & SD every week in about a combined 10 minutes.
 

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WWE has been a chore to watch for years now. I finally checked myself out when AEW came on. Its not perfect, but it's way better than anything WWE is putting out. RAW would literally put me to sleep every week within 15 minutes, but I'm entertained for the full 2 hrs of Dynamite.
 

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I think I've only watched once in last 5 weeks and that's only cos I was on a 6 hour train journey with nothing else do. I watched every week from 2012. Originally watched weekly from 92-02. At the moment I don't see a reason to spend 3 hours watching Raw when there's better shows to watch and I can get my wrestling fix from AEW.
 
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