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Was Savage vs. Steamboat overrated?

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I often hear people say that Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat is overrated because it was just a quick, fifteen minute match with no botches. I disagree with them, but see where they're coming from.

Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat is a short, but exciting match with emotion added because of an Intercontinental Title change which was rare back in the day.

Let's look at other 5-Star Matches.

Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin: This match was a brutal and technical masterpiece that lasted 22 minutes. It's ending was brilliantly thought out with Austin refusing to tap. This match also started the Austin Era. In Savage/Steamboat, there really was no aftermath, even if there was one, it wasn't huge. Hart and Austin told a story in this match, with what was pretty much the passing of the torch between the few.

Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker: This match was also incredibly brutal. The first Hell in a Cell match ever was the best. Shawn Michaels getting pulled through the table still makes me cringe to this day. The ending was shocking with Undertaker brutalising Shawn Michaels, only to be defeated after his brother Kane made his debut, Tombstone Piledriving The Undertaker. HBK, Kane and The Undertaker, like Hart and Austin told us a real story in this match.

CM Punk vs. John Cena: CM Punk! CM Punk! CM Punk! The crowd were incredible in this match, and added hugely to the emotion. The match did not disappoint either. Even though there was a few botches, they weren't very noticeable, and in a 30+ minute match, the workers are likely to be exhausted making botches perfectly acceptable. The crowd, storyline and match quality made up for it anyway. Once again, the wrestlers told a great story in this match.

What's your opinion here? I think Savage/Steamboat isn't overrated, but understand where the people that think it are overrated are coming from.
 

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Oh God yes. People who are like OMG IT'S THE GREATEST MATCH EVER are way off base. It's not even Steamboat's best match, hell, it's not even in his top 3. Obviously they've never seen the Flair trilogy.

It's a nice, decent match that is overrated to death based on two parameters, the competitors involved, and the lackluster nature of early WrestleMania's, particularly on a card where the main event was one of the worst matches in the history of the business. I guarantee if a match like Angle vs Benoit from the 2003 Royal Rumble or Flair vs Steamboat from WrestleWar 89 was on the same card, you'd have never heard about Steamboat vs Savage again.
 

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Savage vs. Steamboat isn't overrated its one of the best all time wrestlemania matches, start to end it was spot for spot prefect, if i was rating the 4 matches you put here it would be-

1- Bret vs Austin
2- Hbk vs Taker
3 -Savage vs steamboat
4 - Punk vs Cena
 

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Savage vs. Steamboat isn't overrated its one of the best all time wrestlemania matches, start to end it was spot for sport prefect, if i was rating the 4 matches you put here it would be-

1- Bret vs Austin
2- Hbk vs Taker
3 -Savage vs steamboat
4 - Punk vs Cena
I think I agree with that. LOL.
 

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Not a five star match, but I'm a guy who thinks WWE probably have never had a five star match. Overall I certainly don't think it's overrated, especially since it has a fair amount of people who don't think it's great. It isn't anywhere close to the greatest match of all time, but I see no reason to hold that against it. It's definitely, definitely, definitely a top 10 WWE match to me, though; maybe top 5.
 

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It's a very good match from an era of WWF where it wasn't necessarily about the ring work as much as it was the characters and stories.

The match IS good, let me say that. But my big problems with the match are 1. the involvement of George "The Animal" Steele & 2. the finish is a roll-up (which I always hate, it feels like a rip-off). Especially when a title is on the line.

I think Owen/Bret from WMX is overrated too but it's just one of those things that seems faux pas to even talk about.
 

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Owen vs Bret is like 10 times better than Savage vs Steamboat, though, overrated or not, you've got to admit.
Well, I don't want to hijack this thread but I disagree completely. I don't even think Bret/Owen was the best match ON THAT NIGHT. So, yeah...

I feel like a lot of people overrate Owen Hart because he died tragically at a young age.
 

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It stands out in an era of WWE that was not known for its work rate. Compare it to a Flair match from the 80s mainly the Steamboat matches from 89 I say the 3 Steamboat/Flair matches are better. A lot of WWE matches since have been better than this but its still a top 10 WWE match of all time.
 

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I wouldn't say it was overrated but more a case of it being a proper wrestling match at a time when WWE cared less about in ring quality and more so storylines and character persona for their build up towards a PPV match. Savage/Steamboat will always stand out from that era because it was unlike any other match from that era and was a much more NWA/JCP style match instead of a WWE match. A lot of people like Chris Jericho have said it was the match that made him want to be a wrestler because of it's in ring quality and this was because they just went out there and had a great wrestling match.

People who grew up watching WWE probably weren't used to seeing matches like that but i grew up a NWA/JCP fan so had seen a lot of matches that were like that which is why i've always put more emphasis on in ring quality. Watching people like Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Arn Anderson, The Great Muta, The Steiners and The Midnight Express i'd get to see much longer matches with a much more technical emphasis rather than big man matches that WWE always seemed to do so much like matches like Michaels/Hart at WrestleMania 12, Bret/Owen at WrestleMania 10 and Michaels/Hennig at Summerslam in 1993 all stand out from their era because of the style of the match it is the same with Savage/Steamboat at WrestleMania 3.
 

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Well, I don't want to hijack this thread but I disagree completely. I don't even think Bret/Owen was the best match ON THAT NIGHT. So, yeah...

I feel like a lot of people overrate Owen Hart because he died tragically at a young age.
I wouldn't call it hijacking the thread when we're talking about a match and we're comparing matches. :confused: Whatevs...

It's not the best match on that night, that was obviously the ladder match. That doesn't mean it's not better than Steamboat vs Savage. I don't think it has anything to do with Owen's death, either. What, because he died, he's not allowed to have a good match? I don't like Owen or Bret or any Hart for that matter but it was still a good match.

Steamboat vs Savage is ridiculously average. I've seen better matches on Raw and SmackDown.
 

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I really do think it's over-rated but you have to view it in perspective, that this match happened in the 1980's and was much better than other matches happening at the time, so from that aspect it's still a classic. It just doesn't really stand up to modern pro-wrestling.
 

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Steamboat vs Savage is ridiculously average. I've seen better matches on Raw and SmackDown.
This might be true and I won't argue if you feel that way but the landscape of professional wrestling had changed completely. You weren't watching better matches on RAW and Smackdown in 1987 WWF. The era and time frame definitely matters. If that Savage/Steamboat match happened in, say, 1999, it would have been a good PPV match but that was it. Not super critically acclaimed. But because it happened in 1987 while being surrounded by shit like The Iron Sheik & Nicolai Volkoff Vs. The Killer Bees makes it stand out more.
 

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If that Savage/Steamboat match happened in, say, 1999, it would have been a good PPV match but that was it. Not super critically acclaimed.
WWF 1999 as an in ring year absolutely fucking sucked and there's no doubt in my mind it would have blown people away if a match like Steamboat/Savage happened then.

Also, I've always thought the talk of it standing out because it was surrounded by lesser stuff is crap. Flair/Steamboat happened when there were great matches happening left and right in the NWA and they were still praised to high hell. The 'era' talk has always been bullshit to me. Steamboat/Savage would have been a great match in 2012 the same way Cena/Lesnar would have been a great match if it happened in 1987.
 

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This might be true and I won't argue if you feel that way but the landscape of professional wrestling had changed completely. You weren't watching better matches on RAW and Smackdown in 1987 WWF. The era and time frame definitely matters. If that Savage/Steamboat match happened in, say, 1999, it would have been a good PPV match but that was it. Not super critically acclaimed. But because it happened in 1987 while being surrounded by shit like The Iron Sheik & Nicolai Volkoff Vs. The Killer Bees makes it stand out more.
That still doesn't actually make it a better match. Looking better because you're surrounded by crap is just looking better because you're surrounded by crap. The match would be as average today as it was back then, except if it happened today, nobody would ever notice.
 

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It was a pretty good match but I don't think it belongs with the greatest 5 star matches. Both Savage and Steamboat had better matches with other opponents and there are other IC title matches that were better than this one. So in my view it is a great match especially considering the card it is on but I don't consider it as good as some claim. So I guess it's kind of overrated.
 

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I really do think it's over-rated but you have to view it in perspective, that this match happened in the 1980's and was much better than other matches happening at the time, so from that aspect it's still a classic. It just doesn't really stand up to modern pro-wrestling.
This is exactly right. At the time it was the best match ever, but then matches like Bret vs Owen, HBK vs Hall ladder match, Taker vs Mankind HIC all make Savage vs Steamboat look above average.
 

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Overrated? Yes. Good match? Yes. As much as the next guy who grew up with mainly WWF as far as wrestling went. Steamboat/Savage was a classic match and I still enjoy it to this day. It was something different from a standpoint in 1987 for the WWF. However, with things like the George Steele involvement and the roll-up finish. I could pass on both of those, especially the finish. For guys like Steamboat and Savage, I'm sure they could of thought of a better finish than that.

When it comes to their careers though, it wasn't their best match. It was a great match and it was fun to watch. Both of them had better matches than that. But I do think it was the best actual match on the WrestleMania III card.
 

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If you want to talk about best matches in Wrestlemania history, it's top 5 or 10 easily. The match was fitting for it's time, remember Savage and Steamboat were the only one's that use the top rope back then. It's not my favorite match of all time, but it was a basic match, yet everything flowed so smoothly.
 
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