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Just curious as to how many posters there are out there actually interested in classic wrestling? Seems like when someone posts a quality thread about the old days it gets maybe a hundred views. Probably most of those are by the same 10 guys re-checking to see what someone responded with.

My point is that I don't personally consider the AE era classic. I mean it feels like it happened last week. But when those threads appear? The views are 500-1000. So really are there that many people interested in the history of this sport?

Or are most of us on here only interested in Rock vs Stone Cold debates? Or the last 20 years. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just curious.

Why is their a total disregard for any wrestlers before 1990? When I was a teen I spent hours and hours at libraries, pouring over newspapers, and talking to wrestlers themselves about the old days because I wanted to know everyhting I could. Why is this different today. Oh crap I am becoming that old guy aren't I? Dangit.
 

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I guess it's an age thing. Most people I've encountered here are fairly young or only began watching within the past 15 years. I mean, I've been watching for over 20 and there is a lot in this thread that goes over my head, especially anything before the 80s. And due to that, I feel it would be pointless to engage in a discussion I know nothing about.

And I guess thats how everybody else feels. Pretty sure everybody 1 way or another has witnessed the Attitude Era, so it's easier to discuss than something that happened before 75% of the posters here were even born.
 

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Why is their a total disregard for any wrestlers before 1990?
Because quite a few members were born after 1990. And (everything else Chapo said)

When this section was created, it was discussed that the attitude era should be included because if it's not, most of the activity is automatically gone right there.

I don't really consider the attitude era "classic" wrestling. I'd say 15 years from the current date should be the cutoff point which would mean 97. Not 10/11 years.
 

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I think those of us who do try to create threads educating the general IWC members can at least spark the occasional interest in some of the people here. They might do a little of their own research too if pointed in the right direction. That is what I hope to accomplish when I make a thread or contribute to others. idealstranger does an outstanding job as do many of the usual suspects in this sub forum.
 

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Well my personal favorite matches of all time were from the JCP NWA days but that's because that's what I grew up watching. Think people's preferences are based on age and what they grew up watching.

Wrestling styles have changed with the times unfortunately. Back in the 80's a guy could keep his opponent in a headlock for 5 minutes and the crowd would be cheering, but if that was tried today they would be booed out of the building. Same goes with story lines. Now a days most fans don't have the patience that we had back in the 80's. Now it's guy wins title keeps it a few months looses title at ppv get rematch at the next tv taping a or ppv looses and that's the end of that storyline. In the 80's story lines went on for 6-9 months at a time.


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Good points made by all.

I don't think this is just a wrestling thing, but more of a generational thing. A lot of NFL fans today really don't spend a lot of time learning about the history of that sport, and GOAT NFL forums rarely mention Blanda or Grange.

Sorry if I sounded embittered, I am not really. I am thankful for this sub forum and really enjoy the back and forth.
 

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For me, the answer is quite simply if I want to have an actual discussion about old school wrestling, I do it elsewhere where I know there's a different level of poster. Here's there's a lot of kids & WWE only fans. There were people just yesterday that didn't even know who Paul Orndorf was. Or people trying to say Ric Flair sucked. These aren't the people I want to debate wrestling with.
 

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Not in the real classic sense and I would blame WWE winning for it mostly. It simply did historical revision ignoring all that was before and not acknowledging AWA or NWA with whom they competed once. And their promotion of Attitude era as the savior of pro-wrestling when in reality it was merely a savior of WWE stopped the general public who were not curios to dig further down. I was lucky in a way for I got the wrestling cards when I was way little and sort of knew that this has been running for much longer and as I went to dig about guys like Hogan who was ranked one and Savage, number two in those cards, I found out about AWA and subsequently NWA and other promotions.

To get their interest back into actual classic wrestling would be mighty difficult for simply, they do not and don't have to care about what was before for today, they care more to see why Kofi or Ryder is not getting pushed. After all, History is not everyone's cup of tea.
 

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Yeah Im gonna have to agree with everyone and say its a generational thing. But I mean Im 17 years old and I find wrestling from the 80's and even 70's to a lesser extent really interesting. I mean I grew up watching towards the end of the AE, but I've always liked looking up on wrestling pre-AE. I've been reading the Classic Wrestling section since it came, but never really contributed anything since I was never around for most of the discussions, and just wanna learn, and GreenLawler you've provided me with alot of information from Classic Wrestling with your posts in this sections.
Just by youtubing I've grown a liking to some of these legends like Dusty Rhodes, Four Horsemen, Randy Savage etc. But yeah there aren't alot of guys on this forum interested in anything like this due to them being born pre-AE, and just havent bothered to research, which is fine though.
 

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I was born in 1990, only started watching after the AE due to being Dutch (they didn't show WWF RAW until 2001). However, I've done tons, and I mean tons, of research via YouTube, books, torrents, shoot interviews, websites like onlineworldofwrestling.com and games like EWR to learn about what happened back in the day. I can safely say I have a good grasp of what happened from 1988 to now in the WWF and WCW (although the Dungeon of Doom "era" is foggy in my mind due to it sucking arse). Prior to that I do know stuff but I can't really contribute a lot like Greenlawler for example, who clearly lived through those territorial times, the lucky bastard ;)
 

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Still thankful this section exists regardless of interest, theres been some good, informative threads here such as the Lawler, Territories and WOS threads that would've sunk with even less of a trace in the general sections.
Started watching WWF in 1989 and then getting into WCW and ECW later on, the older im getting the more my interest is in tracing the history of the business back further and further, watched faaar more memphis, JCP and WOS than anything modern in the last few years and got some great recommendations from here.

The AE threads largely bore the shit out of me, since the same tired debates come up again and again, namely who's a bigger star Rock or Austin, zzzzzz, see the ridiculous GOAT thread for the worst examples of this shit.
 

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Still look at the AE though googly-eyes, mainly because they were my teenage years. I do miss the must-see aspect, though.

Dunno what I'm really trying to say, other than YES! I am interested in the classics, and I do think there's probably a good chunk of posters that enjoy the historical threads but may not post in them.
 
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Not everyone – in fact, probably not the majority of WF posters – is interested in pro wrestling beyond what they themselves have watched as WWE television shows. A sub forum such as this one won't draw in that crowd, but is that really a loss? Those that are curious about the history behind what exists today will lurk and learn, and those who know the topics will enjoy chatting with the side benefit of educating those youngling and relative-newcomer-to-wrestling lurkers.

I know my wrestling history (thanks, dad), and I've been watching all sorts since my diaper days, but I'm not one for nostalgia discussions – I've zero aptitude for remembering who did what in whatever match x number of years ago – so I mainly hang out on the sidelines in this section and let the experts do the talking.
 

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Not in the real classic sense and I would blame WWE winning for it mostly. It simply did historical revision ignoring all that was before and not acknowledging AWA or NWA with whom they competed once. And their promotion of Attitude era as the savior of pro-wrestling when in reality it was merely a savior of WWE stopped the general public who were not curios to dig further down. I was lucky in a way for I got the wrestling cards when I was way little and sort of knew that this has been running for much longer and as I went to dig about guys like Hogan who was ranked one and Savage, number two in those cards, I found out about AWA and subsequently NWA and other promotions.

To get their interest back into actual classic wrestling would be mighty difficult for simply, they do not and don't have to care about what was before for today, they care more to see why Kofi or Ryder is not getting pushed. After all, History is not everyone's cup of tea.
You make a superb point in that the AE did not save pro wrestling but basically saved the WWE. Sometimes, I wish that WCW had won the "Monday Night Wars" because I think that WCW overall still put forth more of an old school wrestling feel than today's over produced, choreographed sports entertainment.
I think the only reason the AE was successful because its vulgarity brought in a new demographic of teenage/young adult who otherwise would not watch wrestling to begin with.

Just curious as to how many posters there are out there actually interested in classic wrestling? Seems like when someone posts a quality thread about the old days it gets maybe a hundred views. Probably most of those are by the same 10 guys re-checking to see what someone responded with.

My point is that I don't personally consider the AE era classic. I mean it feels like it happened last week. But when those threads appear? The views are 500-1000. So really are there that many people interested in the history of this sport?

Or are most of us on here only interested in Rock vs Stone Cold debates? Or the last 20 years. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just curious.

Why is their a total disregard for any wrestlers before 1990? When I was a teen I spent hours and hours at libraries, pouring over newspapers, and talking to wrestlers themselves about the old days because I wanted to know everyhting I could. Why is this different today. Oh crap I am becoming that old guy aren't I? Dangit.
I don't consider the AE to be classic wrestling either. IMHO, Classic wrestling ended about 1980 as the NWA territories were waning and the WWE was about to go national.

For me, the answer is quite simply if I want to have an actual discussion about old school wrestling, I do it elsewhere where I know there's a different level of poster. Here's there's a lot of kids & WWE only fans. There were people just yesterday that didn't even know who Paul Orndorf was. Or people trying to say Ric Flair sucked. These aren't the people I want to debate wrestling with.
It is like the goat threads on various subjects where the only candidates are AE or post AE wrestlers. It is like wrestling must not have existed to them prior to the AE.
 

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I don't think there will be much discussion on this site about wrestling from the early 60's or 70's as most of us wheren't born during that time. As it is I was born in 1982 and didn't start watching wrestling until 1991. So most of the threads I'll post in on this section are stuff post-1991.
 

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I think classic wrestling is some of the best out there, and it is unfortunate that people don't take advantage of youtube and dvd's to witness classic wrestling. I'm a big fan of story telling and psychology in wrestling, which is why I love pre- attitude era wrestling, especially 80's wrestling. Unfortunately most people on this site probably won't bother to check out classic wrestling and thus making little interesting discussion in the classic forum section.
 
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