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I can see a lot of people hating this. Patrick Stewart decided to make it because he was pissed off about Trump and Brexit. Speaking as someone who's pissed off about Trump and Brexit I think I'll like it, but I'd be surprised if there's not some pretty overt political messaging that alienates a lot of people.
 

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I can see a lot of people hating this. Patrick Stewart decided to make it because he was pissed off about Trump and Brexit. Speaking as someone who's pissed off about Trump and Brexit I think I'll like it, but I'd be surprised if there's not some pretty overt political messaging that alienates a lot of people.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least but god I hope not.

TNG had overt messaging without alienating anybody.
 

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I can see a lot of people hating this. Patrick Stewart decided to make it because he was pissed off about Trump and Brexit. Speaking as someone who's pissed off about Trump and Brexit I think I'll like it, but I'd be surprised if there's not some pretty overt political messaging that alienates a lot of people.
The problem with sci-fi the last few years isn't that it has political messaging, it's that the political messaging is bashed over the viewers head and done without any subtly, nuance, or care for the sci-fi genre or even the specific show the writers are working on.

Sci-fi has always had political messages but the messages were written in such a way that made people think and discover the message for themselves.

Now a days networks and producers think sci-fi is just hooky messages with spaceships and explosions that any hack can write oppose to the smart, character driven, allusions that it's supposed to be.

It's a shame really and has resulted in the destruction of several great sci-fi franchise in a short time from Star Wars to Doctor Who to now Star Trek.

It's a damn damn shame.
 

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The problem with sci-fi the last few years isn't that it has political messaging, it's that the political messaging is bashed over the viewers head and done without any subtly, nuance, or care for the sci-fi genre or even the specific show the writers are working on.

Sci-fi has always had political messages but the messages were written in such a way that made people think and discover the message for themselves.

Now a days networks and producers think sci-fi is just hooky messages with spaceships and explosions that any hack can write oppose to the smart, character driven, allusions that it's supposed to be.

It's a shame really and has resulted in the destruction of several great sci-fi franchise in a short time from Star Wars to Doctor Who to now Star Trek.

It's a damn damn shame.
I don't know about that. Star Trek has always had pretty overt socialist, liberal messaging, the socialism especially in TNG, Kirk kissing Uhura was also pretty much banging you over the head with something that a lot of viewers would not have liked In Doctor Who the Third Doctor was overtly anti-military and anti-nationalist. In general the show has always had a very pacifist bent (despite the Doctor almost always causing his enemies' deaths.

The Christopher Eccleston serious was extraordinarily pro-LGBT, there were references in almost every episode. It caused quite a controversy at the time. Cassandra was transgender, the homeowner in The Empty Child was having a gay love affair with the butcher, they had a bisexual companion who had a gay kiss with the Doctor, I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it. I don't think I've ever seen a show cram so many references in, except maybe Torchwood.

It might look less overt in the past because a lot of the principles the writers believed in have become more widely accepted today.
 

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Be the Captain they remember. One of the things that might hurt me is not knowing Picard's journey in Star Trek before this, but I imagine they'll bring me up to speed. Engage!
Star Trek: The Next Generation is quite easy to view. Or you can watch SFDebris' reviews of it, though said reviews are more comedy based.
 

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I was very worried about this because of how much I wanted it to be good. That trailer did its job. I was interested afte the first 20 seconds. Then 7 of 9 showed up and I was pleasantly surprised. Then they showed Data and now I can't wait for it. This song popped in my head when the trailer finished.


They announced today in Hall H that Riker and Troi will be back in some capacity as well.

Saw some speculation that his new crew are people that grew up on the Enterprise when he was captain. I love that idea.
 

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Saw some speculation that his new crew are people that grew up on the Enterprise when he was captain. I love that idea.
Would explain the Captain Picard Day banner in the trailer. Hugh is also suppose to be in the cast.
 

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From what I’ve been hearing, granted from sources like Nerdrotic and Overlord DVD, is the whole show is an attempt to get “New Trek” over oppose to celebrating Picard and the rest of New Generation.

I still hope and want it to be good, but I dunno.

Between all the reshoots and the production team having its head DEEP in its ass it’s getting more and more difficult to see it succeeding.
 

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Two episodes in and I don’t have any issues so far. Concerns from other fans about the shuttles and solar panels on the Golden Gate Bridge being reused from Discovery are minor nitpicks, since it’s not comparable to how Discovery handled the Klingons at all. That was an abomination and not in line with what was known about Klingons in Kirk`s time and the Original Series.

I don’t see ST: Picard as a continuation of New Trek in the form of Discovery (although the concerns that Picard will be used to bolster Discovery are justified). The only thing ST: Picard shares with Discovery is visuals, serialization, and abandonment of episode title listings onscreen. I do see the show as continuing the Prime Universe that been occurring from TOS & The Cage, TNG, DS9 & VOY. ENT can be included too, as they got a lot of things right in hindsight for a Star Trek show set in the mid-22nd century that doesn’t conflict with the general continuity of the Prime Universe (Vulcan-Earth relations, cargo freighter life (both the general piracy and lawlessness around during the time period and their opinions of Starfleet), first contact with the Romulans, the MACOs, the founding of the Federation, the general primitiveness of the era).

Picard seems to be handled quite well at this point. I don’t think it’s going too fast or too slow at all. It's going at the right speed.
 
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