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The house shows on NXT aren't "beyond stupid", they may not make much money for the company but it allows the PC wrestlers to develop and hone their skills which is what a development is suppose to do btw.
 

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Is it meaningless in terms of a wrestler's growth or development? You can only learn so much in a PC class or a promo class. And if you drastically cut house shows like most of you seem to want to, that stops a lot of these guys from growing as performers. You only really get better in the ring.

Plus, we all love NXT as a brand. If they didn't do do these live shows and tours, that hinders their growth and potentially hinders their product. They would lose even more money if they didn't do things like this. And like @Chris JeriG.O.A.T mentioned once, that may mean Vince getting involved or scaling back big time.
I'd rather them take longer to grow as performers than get injured and potentially ruin an NXT Takeover main event and the top storyline. If the house shows and NXT in general were making WWE money, I could understand. But apparently they and it do not. Just seems unnecessary.
 

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What happened to Black is an unfortunate injury, almost a freak accident if you mean, I mean, how many time have you heard of someone having a tearing in his growing because of a worked low blow? This has nothing to do with the house show schedule, the NXT guys are not working 150-200 dates a year like the main roster guys, I think they do 120 at best, with half probably being in Florida, so you can't use the road as a factor. And you have to understand that these house shows are benefitial for the actual developmental talent, it is when they get the chance to work in front of an audience with someone more experienced, the PC can't offer you that.
 
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I think people are forgetting that NXT is a development first, great shows later. Takeovers are luxuries. Scaling back house house just to stop "ruining" Takeovers (and btw, this is one of few times this has happened) is not only selfish but "beyond stupid". (heh)
 

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Late watching this weeks episode, have to say I wish I hadn't bothered, people on here actually liking this weeks episode, last week wasn't great, this episode was even worse...

Nikki Cross vs Amber Nova...meh. Nikki is stuck in a predicament, shes looked far better on her own in recent months, if she gets called up she doesn't need Sanity but Sanity badly needs her.

An ok segment with Cole & Ricochet, builds their feud more but it was pretty basic, Undisputed still do nothing for me, Cole would be better on his own.

Another Ohno squash...meh. I'm already bored of him squashing guys, Ohno is great but I just don't see him fitting anywhere.

That Dream/EC3 segment fpalm I thought their feud would be shit but my god, what the fuck did I witness.

Lee vs Barthel was the only highlight of the show, two talents producing a nice little showcase.

Street Profits have officially stepped over the go away line, they are fucking annoying.

Conti vs Borne - I tried watching until Taynara got her face slammed into a turnbuckle but she reacted as if she was crying, I then skipped the rest.

Thought Black vs Gargano would've got longer, they didn't even get five minutes. Knowing Black's injured of course killed the segment for me, there was really no point watching this bit. Gutted that Black is missing Takeover, the plans are well and truly fucked, they were on the perfect path to get to Gargano vs Ciampa 3, the path got destroyed now we're here already. Last man standing as well, one of my least favourite match gimmicks, if anyone can make it look good it's NXT right :hmmm

Piss poor episode, this build for Takeover has had so much filler, really lacklustre feel to things.
 

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New NXT.

– What the fuck are they doing with Kassius Ohno?

– Were Velveteen and EC3 getting ready to shoot a gay porno?

– Holy shit, did they really debut Axel Dieter Jr with full Ringkampf entrance, tights and gimmick just to feed him to debuting Keith Lee? Fucks sake, WWE… All these years WWE has stopped him killing it on the indies and this is what we get. I guess at least it wasn’t just like a one move squash, Barthel got to have an actual match here at least, even if it wasn’t all that great of one.

– What the fuck was that jobber music for Lee, though?

– So was Black never getting a shot at Ciampa at TakeOver or have they changed the plans because of that rumoured injury of Black’s? If so, I wonder what is next for Black. Either way I feel really sorry for Black, he has been used as a scapegoat for the Gargano/Ciampa feud that WWE are running into the ground like they always do with anything good they have. I hope Black comes back as the silent, brooding, badass who enters, kicks your head off and leaves.

– In terms of the match, considering we were all waiting around for Ciampa’s interference it was fine. The brawl that followed was fun.

– Strong/Bate could be a barn burner next week but I am assuming it will just be shenanigans city.
 

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Haven't had time to get on and post my thoughts on this week's show until now so here it goes.

-Nikki getting a squash win was weird, but I guess they still got something for her to do in NXT otherwise it made little sense to give TV time to her over other women. Her experience and credibility has to be the main reason she's still there but if she's not going to have any more stories (which I doubt since they're still using her), then I don't see why they're prolonging her move to the main roster to join up with the rest of SAnitY. Amber Nova looked pretty good here though, hopefully we'll see more of her in the future.

-Liked the bit with Cole coming out to Ricochet's music and the rest of Undisputed Era dragging him out behind him. Gotta say I've found the build to their match surprisingly lackluster though, hopefully the match will deliver at least as that's the one on this Brooklyn card that I can't really call which way it will go.

-Another Ohno squash, not really that enthralled by it but at least we're seeing the commentators play him up so maybe this leads to something later on. The fact that he replaced Ricochet for that match gives me hope that perhaps he'll join Undisputed Era soon and maybe even cost Ricochet the match in Brooklyn. Probably a pipe dream, but it's about time they do something with him again beyond feeding him to the masses.

And Adrian Jaoude's theme was straight fire.

-The Velveteen/EC3 was alright for what it was, but it definitely could have had better dialogue between them. Hopefully the segment next week will be better when they finally face off in the ring.

-Glad we finally got to see Keith Lee make his debut, but just sucks that he had to win at the expense of ADJ who we waited to see for so long just for him to lose his first match. At least it was a competitive bout and not a total squash. Disappointed that Ranallo didn't use the "bask in his glory" line following Lee's win. Not sure I like Keith's theme either but it'll do for now. Do feel both men could have shown more, but it's a starting point, now hopefully we'll see Axel on TV more from now on and actually build him into something.

-The Street Profits segment was alright, but a little corny and dragged on a bit longer than needed. They were my favorite up and coming tag team in the division a year ago when they first debuted, but they've really made little progress since and I'm worried that where they're at now is as far as they will go. Hopefully the match with the Mighty will go well and get some time because right now it's difficult to see a future for them (or the Mighty for that matter) in that tag division with so many teams in front of them in line.

-Agree with whoever it was that said Conti/Borne felt longer than 5 minutes. Didn't really like this one a whole lot and it's clear that they're both a few steps behind the rest of the women's division. I liked Vanessa's backstage segment though, still see potential in her but she has a lot of work to do to get more chances on the show. Taynara looked like such a dork singing her own theme, what's up with so many wrestlers doing that nowadays? It doesn't do anything for me but make them come across as marks and geeks.

-The main event was short, but fun and as expected Ciampa got involved in it which allowed Regal to come out and set up the TakeOver match that we will not get to see unfortunately. Loved how as soon as Ciampa came out, Gargano turned his full attention to him and how Black was solely still focused on Johnny rather than the guy who actually took his belt. And Gargano's expression after Regal's announcement was priceless, like a possessed man who finally got what he wanted. Nice to see him add these new facials to his character which makes it more dynamic rather than the same 2 or 3 he used for the longest time.

All in all, decent episode but not better than the last 3 weeks. The build to the TakeOver matches felt a little underdone and lackluster aside from the triple threat, but there's still one more week of TV to go before the event. Still very much looking forward to it though, it's still a great card even with Aleister's injury taken into account.

I'd rather them take longer to grow as performers than get injured and potentially ruin an NXT Takeover main event and the top storyline. If the house shows and NXT in general were making WWE money, I could understand. But apparently they and it do not. Just seems unnecessary.
House shows aren't just done for the purpose of making money. They're pretty much the equivalent of pre-season and exhibition matches in other sports. Just like how in football/soccer, teams from Europe travel to the U.S. or Asia for pre-season to expand their brands and fan bases, play games in order to get their players up to scratch and build up their fitness levels ahead of the season, and make some money in the process.

House shows in wrestling serve a similar purpose, but instead of building fitness for a season, the wrestlers are honing their skills and developing their characters/abilities in front of an audience to improve whatever they need to work on ahead of a match, angle, or whatever they have coming their way in the future or just learning on the job in general in an environment that is meant to help them do that.

It sucks when injuries happen and ruin plans, just like in any sport, but house shows play a part in wrestlers' long-term development as performers as well and that's more important than any short-term story line that's in the works. And that ultimately benefits everyone in the long run because as a business, WWE is always going to try to get as much longevity out of any talent as they can and that can only be done by aiding their development with gained experiences like house shows. It's a tried and tested method that's been around for decades and still has a place today for what it's intended to accomplish.
 

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Haven't had time to get on and post my thoughts on this week's show until now so here it goes.

-Nikki getting a squash win was weird, but I guess they still got something for her to do in NXT otherwise it made little sense to give TV time to her over other women. Her experience and credibility has to be the main reason she's still there but if she's not going to have any more stories (which I doubt since they're still using her), then I don't see why they're prolonging her move to the main roster to join up with the rest of SAnitY. Amber Nova looked pretty good here though, hopefully we'll see more of her in the future.

-Liked the bit with Cole coming out to Ricochet's music and the rest of Undisputed Era dragging him out behind him. Gotta say I've found the build to their match surprisingly lackluster though, hopefully the match will deliver at least as that's the one on this Brooklyn card that I can't really call which way it will go.

-Another Ohno squash, not really that enthralled by it but at least we're seeing the commentators play him up so maybe this leads to something later on. The fact that he replaced Ricochet for that match gives me hope that perhaps he'll join Undisputed Era soon and maybe even cost Ricochet the match in Brooklyn. Probably a pipe dream, but it's about time they do something with him again beyond feeding him to the masses.

And Adrian Jaoude's theme was straight fire.

-The Velveteen/EC3 was alright for what it was, but it definitely could have had better dialogue between them. Hopefully the segment next week will be better when they finally face off in the ring.

-Glad we finally got to see Keith Lee make his debut, but just sucks that he had to win at the expense of ADJ who we waited to see for so long just for him to lose his first match. At least it was a competitive bout and not a total squash. Disappointed that Ranallo didn't use the "bask in his glory" line following Lee's win. Not sure I like Keith's theme either but it'll do for now. Do feel both men could have shown more, but it's a starting point, now hopefully we'll see Axel on TV more from now on and actually build him into something.

-The Street Profits segment was alright, but a little corny and dragged on a bit longer than needed. They were my favorite up and coming tag team in the division a year ago when they first debuted, but they've really made little progress since and I'm worried that where they're at now is as far as they will go. Hopefully the match with the Mighty will go well and get some time because right now it's difficult to see a future for them (or the Mighty for that matter) in that tag division with so many teams in front of them in line.

-Agree with whoever it was that said Conti/Borne felt longer than 5 minutes. Didn't really like this one a whole lot and it's clear that they're both a few steps behind the rest of the women's division. I liked Vanessa's backstage segment though, still see potential in her but she has a lot of work to do to get more chances on the show. Taynara looked like such a dork singing her own theme, what's up with so many wrestlers doing that nowadays? It doesn't do anything for me but make them come across as marks and geeks.

-The main event was short, but fun and as expected Ciampa got involved in it which allowed Regal to come out and set up the TakeOver match that we will not get to see unfortunately. Loved how as soon as Ciampa came out, Gargano turned his full attention to him and how Black was solely still focused on Johnny rather than the guy who actually took his belt. And Gargano's expression after Regal's announcement was priceless, like a possessed man who finally got what he wanted. Nice to see him add these new facials to his character which makes it more dynamic rather than the same 2 or 3 he used for the longest time.

All in all, decent episode but not better than the last 3 weeks. The build to the TakeOver matches felt a little underdone and lackluster aside from the triple threat, but there's still one more week of TV to go before the event. Still very much looking forward to it though, it's still a great card even with Aleister's injury taken into account.



House shows aren't just done for the purpose of making money. They're pretty much the equivalent of pre-season and exhibition matches in other sports. Just like how in football/soccer, teams from Europe travel to the U.S. or Asia for pre-season to expand their brands and fan bases, play games in order to get their players up to scratch and build up their fitness levels ahead of the season, and make some money in the process.

House shows in wrestling serve a similar purpose, but instead of building fitness for a season, the wrestlers are honing their skills and developing their characters/abilities in front of an audience to improve whatever they need to work on ahead of a match, angle, or whatever they have coming their way in the future or just learning on the job in general in an environment that is meant to help them do that.

It sucks when injuries happen and ruin plans, just like in any sport, but house shows play a part in wrestlers' long-term development as performers as well and that's more important than any short-term story line that's in the works. And that ultimately benefits everyone in the long run because as a business, WWE is always going to try to get as much longevity out of any talent as they can and that can only be done by aiding their development with gained experiences like house shows. It's a tried and tested method that's been around for decades and still has a place today for what it's intended to accomplish.
Yup, just really, really bad timing.
 

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Late watching this weeks episode, have to say I wish I hadn't bothered, people on here actually liking this weeks episode, last week wasn't great, this episode was even worse...

Nikki Cross vs Amber Nova...meh. Nikki is stuck in a predicament, shes looked far better on her own in recent months, if she gets called up she doesn't need Sanity but Sanity badly needs her.

An ok segment with Cole & Ricochet, builds their feud more but it was pretty basic, Undisputed still do nothing for me, Cole would be better on his own.

Another Ohno squash...meh. I'm already bored of him squashing guys, Ohno is great but I just don't see him fitting anywhere.

That Dream/EC3 segment fpalm I thought their feud would be shit but my god, what the fuck did I witness.

Lee vs Barthel was the only highlight of the show, two talents producing a nice little showcase.

Street Profits have officially stepped over the go away line, they are fucking annoying.

Conti vs Borne - I tried watching until Taynara got her face slammed into a turnbuckle but she reacted as if she was crying, I then skipped the rest.

Thought Black vs Gargano would've got longer, they didn't even get five minutes. Knowing Black's injured of course killed the segment for me, there was really no point watching this bit. Gutted that Black is missing Takeover, the plans are well and truly fucked, they were on the perfect path to get to Gargano vs Ciampa 3, the path got destroyed now we're here already. Last man standing as well, one of my least favourite match gimmicks, if anyone can make it look good it's NXT right :hmmm

Piss poor episode, this build for Takeover has had so much filler, really lacklustre feel to things.
Lol yeah i noticed that, like really? you're seriously gonna cry after taking a hit? She comes out dressed like some black belt martial artist whos tough as shit, then gets in there and looks awkward half the time and this time even crying after getting hit.
 

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That’s uncalled for. The Fourth Wall is one of the nicest people around here and obviously didn’t mean any harm with that question.
Well i apologize if i came off aggressive and looked as if i was attacking him, but it just annoys me that i can't criticize or dislike anything without getting that reply sometimes. As if i never like or say anything good about anything which isn't true.

Sure with WWE theres more criticism from me than praise alot of the time, but hell they do dumb shit and put on bad shows more often than not. But its not like i haven't liked anything from NXT, i have, i praise almost every takeover and give my positive thoughts on the weekly show when i enjoy it.

So The Fourth Wall i apologize for coming off aggressive in response to you, sometimes i get a little hotheaded when defending myself on that subject cause it feels like no matter what i say i'm branded as someone who never likes anything, which bugs me cause i have liked plenty and praised alot of stuff from NXT, 205 Live, Impact etc.
 

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Well i apologize if i came off aggressive and looked as if i was attacking him, but it just annoys me that i can't criticize or dislike anything without getting that reply sometimes. As if i never like or say anything good about anything which isn't true.

Sure with WWE theres more criticism from me than praise alot of the time, but hell they do dumb shit and put on bad shows more often than not. But its not like i haven't liked anything from NXT, i have, i praise almost every takeover and give my positive thoughts on the weekly show when i enjoy it.

So The Fourth Wall i apologize for coming off aggressive in response to you, sometimes i get a little hotheaded when defending myself.
No worries, man. My post sounded a bit snarky when I read it back, even though it wasn't intended.

I'm sure Takeover will leave us with nothing but good things to say like always. :hunter I can't remember ever being let down by one.
 

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Lol yeah i noticed that, like really? you're seriously gonna cry after taking a hit? She comes out dressed like some black belt martial artist whos tough as shit, then gets in there and looks awkward half the time and this time even crying after getting hit.
Her facial expressions are absolutely dreadful, seen various pics of her from house shows looking like she's ready to kill someone during her entrance, comes to the match itself and she acts like an immature crybaby, very weird.

God knows what she'll be like when the MYC airs, might have to skip her matches then too.
 

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Yup, just really, really bad timing.
Tell me about it. Aleister Black is my favorite active wrestler in the world today and seeing him go from that crowning moment in New Orleans to second priority to this great Gargano-Ciampa feud despite being champion, having the rare distinction of losing the belt on TV, and now losing the chance to be part of a potential MOTYC contender due to injury all really blows. And if it ends up being the end of his NXT career, it hurts all the more.

That said, I don't want to blame house shows or anybody else for this happening, it's just an unfortunate incident and it robbed every one of us from a special match, which still might be very good anyways.

By the way, why did you edit your post? I saw the original one.
 

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Tell me about it. Aleister Black is my favorite active wrestler in the world today and seeing him go from that crowning moment in New Orleans to second priority to this great Gargano-Ciampa feud despite being champion, having the rare distinction of losing the belt on TV, and now losing the chance to be part of a potential MOTYC contender due to injury all really blows. And if it ends up being the end of his NXT career, it hurts all the more.

That said, I don't want to blame house shows or anybody else for this happening, it's just an unfortunate incident and it robbed every one of us from a special match, which still might be very good anyways.

By the way, why did you edit your post? I saw the original one.
Because I'm kind of split on this. On one hand, I really don't think NXT should have house shows due to stuff like this and the fact that they don't make WWE money (NXT loses money). But on the other, they can be productive. Eh. I don't know.
 

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A bit late for Psychosocial's post, but I think Nikki is just treading water in NXT right now, because WWE doesn't like doing actual callups right before big PPV events. She'll likely end up on Smackdown or RAW soon after Summerslam. If it hasn't been Candice, its been Nikki who has been jobbing on the house show circuit to Shayna.
 

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Well i apologize if i came off aggressive and looked as if i was attacking him, but it just annoys me that i can't criticize or dislike anything without getting that reply sometimes. As if i never like or say anything good about anything which isn't true.

Sure with WWE theres more criticism from me than praise alot of the time, but hell they do dumb shit and put on bad shows more often than not. But its not like i haven't liked anything from NXT, i have, i praise almost every takeover and give my positive thoughts on the weekly show when i enjoy it.

So The Fourth Wall i apologize for coming off aggressive in response to you, sometimes i get a little hotheaded when defending myself on that subject cause it feels like no matter what i say i'm branded as someone who never likes anything, which bugs me cause i have liked plenty and praised alot of stuff from NXT, 205 Live, Impact etc.
No biggie mate, I usually don't interfere in other people's stuff but I had to do so here because I knew it was a misunderstanding. I have never seen TFW act/talk with mean intents

I remember having the exact same argument with you during my first year here, because every time there was a thread started by you, it felt like it was complaining about something. I then realized that it was not all complaints but I guess people tend to think so because they remember threads better than random posts in huge topics
 

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I think Nikki Cross has been called up. I seem to remember seeing they had a farewell for her at one of the house shows a bit ago. She has wrestled a Smackdown house show and she was on stage during the Evolution PPV announcement. Don't be surprised to see her debut soon after SS. They probably wanted to get this episode out of the way first. Plus it seemed like Amber Nova had most of the offense, so maybe they wanted to have Nikki put this girl over but still win on the way out.
 
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