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Excellent match, too. But that surprise result put me on a whole different level. I fear the eventual rematch vs the indie geeks that'll suck, but at least these guys got to be back on top again.
What did you think of the whole show?

And Takeover: Dallas too, for the matter, I don't think I've heard your thoughts on that?
 

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Takeover: The End:

Good show, turned out much better than I had ended up anticipating. Very well rounded, which is why I seemed to be so into. Basically most matches were really snug and I almost get a kick out of that when seeing everyone laid into each other on an intended "big night".

The Sombra vs Dillinger match did its job. I feared using Tye here was going to backfire on the guy obviously going to win his debut. Crowd seemed to smooth out by the end, after the offense of Sombra, or Cien, won em over. This was better of a showcase than say what Tye vs Crews was in Brooklyn.

Loved the tag, would say I preferred it over the first. All four were total fire. They just don't let up, and bless their hearts for making their matches so compelling on the big stage. The title change ruled, b/c who expected it? I walked into this really annoyed b/c The Revival lost to the indie geeks (Gargano/Ciampa, seriously, that's all their persona is rn) on the NXT a week before this which was outrageous. But all that aside, and general "cynicism" of expectations, the nearfalls were heaven & easy to believe on both sides. The Revival is by far my favorite duo in the whole of WWE rn, so seeing these dudes continue to get a rub is something that can put a smile on my face. Wasn't ready for them to lose the straps in Dallas, even if Alpha has already established themselves as a hell of a unit. This is what some like to look for, so yeah, MOTN here.

Nakamura vs Aries was really, really good. Aries should be a full heel following this, but the baby steps towards it were well in place given the nature of this match. I thought his deliberate ways, and flat out DOMINATING Nakamura did a ton for him, even w/the loss. He needed more than *just* to look like "hey I'm Austin Aries, I got plenty of cool moves that can earn a pop too". He's better off being a jerk to the fans, b/c he can be great at that, and messing w/their expectations slightly, while still putting on a hell of an effort. Plus, this shows how strong of a babyface fighting from underneath Nakamura is. Against Zayn that wasn't something showcased (and w/good reason) and all the short TV matches were him working on top. This turned out nicely. I'm gonna enjoy returning to it. Finish is SICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Popped for a death valley driver on the apron spot b/c I knew Aries does it & it feels like a long time since he brought it out. (and he used it on Punk in 2005, so c'mon, right?) That's marky, but what can I say. Good transition spot to try and go for broke in missing the dive, which allows Naka to only squeak by.

Enjoyed Nia Jax vs Asuka. Not a great match, per say, b/c I don't think they were quite given that chance to exceed there, but Nia Jax is good. There's no doubt about it. She's a monster, she works like a monster, she's totally convincing as a monster. Didn't mind Asuka in it, but you could tell this was more contained via Nia's domination through her which spawned the first time ever desperation by Asuka to just lay in as many gnarly kicks to the face/skull as she could to drop the bruiser. Nia outworked Bayley BIG TIME in their rematch a few weeks ago (worth a look; would be even better had Bayley sold during it) and now she put in another memorable outing on another Takeover. I can cope w/her losses being what they are. The Bayley one was perfection, and this felt logical. You kick someone in the head enough, they well go down. There just could have been a touch more behind it overall. Between these three, there's proven worth. It's the rest of the roster I feel needs to beef up to contain some air of consistency.

I can go out on a limb and say I was cool w/the main event. The start kind of worried me b/c it looked like they were going to lock up or do fancy bs in a HEATED GRUDGE MATCH, before Joe fooled Balor and started to lay it in on him. Like the majority of the show, this was p. damn aggressive. Joe was quality. Not Dallas godly, or even on par to where their best match was in London. Still Joe is all I had to truly care about this from start to finish. Balor was.... ok. If that's being nicer than I want to be. Some of his strikes were great, but he doesn't do much else to feel invested in. At a time here or there during this I started to go blank watching b/c there's nothing going on. This is the main event and the first time on the show I'm losing a twinge of interest b/c of this guy. Sure kicking the living FUCK out of Joe in the face was memorable, but what else are you giving me through your role? At least this worked out to where I was fine w/it by the end. Compared to what feels like numerous other matches involving him where they come, they go, either I hate it or had nothing to remember. Glad the finish was the super Muscle Buster and not the contrived Coup de Grace from the top of the cage. I anticipated a Balor championship win, so once he got annihilated that's when I was feeling p. darn good about the eventual 3 count. Right guy went over. Feud is finally done w/a decent enough capper, even if the cage environment wasn't the most utilized structure. Memorable ending, to say the least. I'll chalk that up as a positive. And this HAS to mean Balor is done out of the championship picture. Please, lets hope so. Joe vs Nakamura is the go to en route to Brooklyn. There's no reason it isn't.

PS: BOBBY ROODE

PPS: PRECIOUS PAUL ELLERING. Didn't see that coming.
 

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NXT Takeover: The End
(June 8, 2016)


Tye Dillinger vs Andrade "Cien" Almas *3/4

NXT Tag Team Championship
American Alpha (c) vs The Revival ***

Austin Aries vs Shinsuke Nakamura ***1/4

NXT Women's Championship
Asuka (c) vs Nia Jax **

NXT Championship - Steel Cage Match
Samoa Joe (c) vs Finn Bálor **

Overall Rating: 4.25
 

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Full list of participants for the Cruiserweight Classic. Remember a luchador was told to get a new name and gear? Turns out it was Mascara Dorada (Gran Metalik)!

1.Kota Ibushi
2.Gran Metalik
3.Tajiri
4.Zack Sabre Jr.
5.Noam Dar
6.Da Mack
7.Zumbi
8.Clement Petoit
9.Fabian Aichner
10.Harv Sihra
11.Gurv Sihra
12.Rich Swann
13.Brian Kendrick
14.Cedric Alexander
15.Akira Tozawa
16.Jack Gallagher
17.Johnny Gargano
18.Tony Nese
19.Tomasso Ciampa
20.Ho Ho Lun
21.TJ Perkins
22.Anthony Bennett
23.Drew Gulak
24.Tyson Dux
25.Lince Dorado
26.Sean Maluta
27.Raul Mendoza
28.Kenneth Johnson
29.Alejandro Saez
30.Damien Slater
31.Jason Lee
32.Ariya Daivari
 

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Definitely expecting Sabre Jr. vs. Ibushi in the finals. Guessing the other two semi finalists will be Tozawa & Gargano. Gotta get someone from USA in there somewhere. :p
 

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Speaking of new releases, the Bischoff doc is worth a watch :).
Damn you weren't kidding dude. I decided to give the Bischoff doc a shot last nigh when I was bored and it absolutely blew me away how well done and entertaining it was. I was starting to think WWE had lost their touch with documentary's after the run of crummy ones they've had lately, but man this was GREAT. Probably the best one since the Foley doc.

I thought it showed a different side to Bischoff, and actually it made me respect him a bit more because of how he owned his fuck ups and mistakes like a man and didn't try and make excuses for the role he played in creating the dysfunction in WCW.

So, I second what Cal said, definitely worth a watch.
 

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Holy cow @ some of the names WWE got to compete in this tournament. Good to see Anthony Nese on their radar. Always felt like he'd make a good fit to their roster.

TAJIRI is obviously the best. Dorada being involved rules. Hope he can get some mileage. Ibushi will probably win. Not that I mind.
 

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Damn you weren't kidding dude. I decided to give the Bischoff doc a shot last nigh when I was bored and it absolutely blew me away how well done and entertaining it was. I was starting to think WWE had lost their touch with documentary's after the run of crummy ones they've had lately, but man this was GREAT. Probably the best one since the Foley doc.

I thought it showed a different side to Bischoff, and actually it made me respect him a bit more because of how he owned his fuck ups and mistakes like a man and didn't try and make excuses for the role he played in creating the dysfunction in WCW.

So, I second what Cal said, definitely worth a watch.
Thirded. :p

Definitely worth a watch, it was great.
 

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Holy cow @ some of the names WWE got to compete in this tournament. Good to see Anthony Nese on their radar. Always felt like he'd make a good fit to their roster.

TAJIRI is obviously the best. Dorada being involved rules. Hope he can get some mileage. Ibushi will probably win. Not that I mind.
I'm going to fucking :mark: so hard when Tajiri's first match happens. The last thing I saw from him was that match he had with Finlay several years back and he still obviously had IT, big time. Hoping we get to see him work some Lucha guys, I always enjoyed his matches most when he worked against opponents in that style.

I've been meaning to ask you, and everyone else in here, if they saw the Riccochet vs Will Ospreay match from the NJPW Juniors tournament. I haven't seen it myself yet, but Vader and Cornette trashed it while Austin dedicated a large part of his podcast to praising it. Is it worth watching? Or will it make my head hurt and kill my passion for wrestling?
 

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ehhhhhh not this topic again. More of an annoyance towards it now being "infamous" than anything else. When it's just a literal butthole indie style match that's been happening for years.

I hated it, but you make your decision all yourself. Will Ospreay is absolute cancer and that's where I basically end my thoughts.

Cornette's bit on it is the best, and most fitting one out there. Ok now I'm done.
 

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I didn't realize it had been discussed here before, I searched to see if anyone had posted on it and didn't see anything so that's why I asked.

If it's just the same flippy bullshit that's been occurring in wrestling for over a decade now, then I'll gladly pass. I've been running out of shit to watch lately, but id rather spend 25 minutes watching this Terry Gordy/Dr. Death Texas Deathmatch for the 4th time in a month than have to taste bile while watching 2 guys find new and innovative ways to make me feel dead inside. Owens/Ambrose and Ziggler/Owens matches from earlier this year already gave me my fill of watching two guys wrestle like dipshits. I don't need any more of that. Oh well.
 

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I'm going to fucking :mark: so hard when Tajiri's first match happens. The last thing I saw from him was that match he had with Finlay several years back and he still obviously had IT, big time. Hoping we get to see him work some Lucha guys, I always enjoyed his matches most when he worked against opponents in that style.

I've been meaning to ask you, and everyone else in here, if they saw the Riccochet vs Will Ospreay match from the NJPW Juniors tournament. I haven't seen it myself yet, but Vader and Cornette trashed it while Austin dedicated a large part of his podcast to praising it. Is it worth watching? Or will it make my head hurt and kill my passion for wrestling?
Wrote about it here, but I'll copy-paste it for the lazy (like me)

People criticising the opening sequence are missing the context of it being wrestling's two hottest high-flyers trying to one-up the other in showmanship. They were ego-driven the entire match. A lot of wrestling starts with flashy yet perfunctory work, this was just an extension of that feeling out process. I also think it's disingenuous to state the match as lacking a drive to win, when the rest of the match was exactly that. I'm not a fan of Ospreay's performance, if but wowed by his athleticism, but Ricochet let a lot of his spots breathe. Fair enough, it got cutesy, but they placed those spots toward the end where bomb-throwing finishing stretches usually lie. I'm not a fan of NJPW's house style for that very reason, and I think that's a problem endemic to a lot more styles than just the cruiserweight one. It seems rather disingenuous to deride these two, and not look at the bigger fault in wrestling, today.

I don't think I'm going to have the energy nor time to unpack that last sentence in comparison to other "generations", but I do agree with the basic principle that wrestling is evolving to bigger and bigger spots at the detriment to its quality. I'd argue, though, that such flaws are, in part, down to the business rapidly expanding and technology offering the ability for any old Tom, Dick & Harry to "become" a "wrestler". These guys existed in the 80s, it's just that to get recognition they had to be in bigger feds with exposure and to do so had to have talent. It stands to reason that wrestling will evolve to gymnastic acts when more and more wrestlers are using spots to get over rather than figuring out how to properly structure a match. Spots don't last, in a vacuum, and continual need to one-up your last hoorah is needed.

While true to bigger feds, and I'd assume most would point to the rapidly changing WWE style, I'd still wager its production in part of a generational/societal move toward being more attention-deficit/hyperactive in our consumption habits rather than a sheer drop in actual talent. There's a "discussion" on post-modernity within wrestling over on Voices of Wrestling, if that narrative is your thing, it isn't mine and I'll cease my conjectures here, thus. I'm merely here to offer reasoning for my praise of the aforementioned match.

I think comparing this match to my enjoy (or lack thereof) for Joshi may be an unfair one, but I'll get my comparison point out of the way, first. Ospreay/Ricochet was more entertaining, and better structured, than the vast majority of Joshi that I've seen. There's a weird dichotomy on other sites where the match is being derided yet praise is continually being bestowed upon Akira Hokuto (who I've found to be one of the more egregious workers within the style). I'm not sure I understand the difference between the two, beyond a bias toward a certain style and, perhaps, a lenience given to certain styles that expect different "wrestling rules/physics". The former is probably most true, and not all styles are created equal. I've touched on finishing stretches being fast-paced, and bomb-throwing AJPW is indicative of that, as is current day NJPW (for a quality comparison), but the problem in the instance of a high-flying match is that to setup the next spot, the breathing room between spots is mitigated beyond, perhaps, what it should be. There are guys who can work the style exceptionally (Rey), but I think it requires a helluva talent to master successfully. Ricochet does a good job, but there's a plateau.

I won't argue that this is a must-see spectacle, ready to grace many match of the year lists, but, for the style, it's a very good, if albeit pop-sugar, match. It's certainly better than quite a number of the juniour matches off of the Best of 2000s Puro poll. Perhaps that's due to the other not aging as well, but time will only tell here. I'm not hazarding this as timeless, it's not exceptional enough, but it feels more complete than the average Dragon Gate spotfest where the structure feels disjointed due to the my-turn/your-turn style they run. Sure, this match had a nefarious no-sell or three, but its parts slotted into the whole and the selling existed where need-be. I'd cheekily say that Ospreay made the obnoxious dueling forearms spot look better than Ishii, Zayn or Nakamura have this year, by simply latching onto Richochet's arm bands and using them to desperately stay afloat amidst the barrage. It was a sweet little moment, in a sequence I otherwise loathe.

I think it was interesting to see Regal defend this match, though I think the implication are obvious (WWE are courting the two), but I think that opens up a possible avenue for Will. I've never been sold on him, and he's still very cartoonishly outlandish here, but the kid has athleticism for days and no doubt would be a fabulous star to mold in the performance centre. He's certainly a better acrobat than Evan Bourne who, lest we forget, was dogging it on RoH shows in 2005/2006 only to "get it" and look like an absolute star a half decade later. Regal/Bourne from a Romania is still one of my favourite WWE house shows, and testament to what development can do to a talent.

All praise aside, lunatic spots and actual psychology (learned psychology of matches evolving as the series progresses) is all to be found in the Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi feud. It's a pity that their work was quickly latched on to around the FantasticaMania show only to be forgotten so quickly. Ironically, I'd hazard it being due to Ospreay making a name for himself, but no matter. I'll wave the lucha flag all by lonesome, once more.
 

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Wrote about it here, but I'll copy-paste it for the lazy (like me)

People criticising the opening sequence are missing the context of it being wrestling's two hottest high-flyers trying to one-up the other in showmanship. They were ego-driven the entire match. A lot of wrestling starts with flashy yet perfunctory work, this was just an extension of that feeling out process. I also think it's disingenuous to state the match as lacking a drive to win, when the rest of the match was exactly that. I'm not a fan of Ospreay's performance, if but wowed by his athleticism, but Ricochet let a lot of his spots breathe. Fair enough, it got cutesy, but they placed those spots toward the end where bomb-throwing finishing stretches usually lie. I'm not a fan of NJPW's house style for that very reason, and I think that's a problem endemic to a lot more styles than just the cruiserweight one. It seems rather disingenuous to deride these two, and not look at the bigger fault in wrestling, today.

I don't think I'm going to have the energy nor time to unpack that last sentence in comparison to other "generations", but I do agree with the basic principle that wrestling is evolving to bigger and bigger spots at the detriment to its quality. I'd argue, though, that such flaws are, in part, down to the business rapidly expanding and technology offering the ability for any old Tom, Dick & Harry to "become" a "wrestler". These guys existed in the 80s, it's just that to get recognition they had to be in bigger feds with exposure and to do so had to have talent. It stands to reason that wrestling will evolve to gymnastic acts when more and more wrestlers are using spots to get over rather than figuring out how to properly structure a match. Spots don't last, in a vacuum, and continual need to one-up your last hoorah is needed.

While true to bigger feds, and I'd assume most would point to the rapidly changing WWE style, I'd still wager its production in part of a generational/societal move toward being more attention-deficit/hyperactive in our consumption habits rather than a sheer drop in actual talent. There's a "discussion" on post-modernity within wrestling over on Voices of Wrestling, if that narrative is your thing, it isn't mine and I'll cease my conjectures here, thus. I'm merely here to offer reasoning for my praise of the aforementioned match.

I think comparing this match to my enjoy (or lack thereof) for Joshi may be an unfair one, but I'll get my comparison point out of the way, first. Ospreay/Ricochet was more entertaining, and better structured, than the vast majority of Joshi that I've seen. There's a weird dichotomy on other sites where the match is being derided yet praise is continually being bestowed upon Akira Hokuto (who I've found to be one of the more egregious workers within the style). I'm not sure I understand the difference between the two, beyond a bias toward a certain style and, perhaps, a lenience given to certain styles that expect different "wrestling rules/physics". The former is probably most true, and not all styles are created equal. I've touched on finishing stretches being fast-paced, and bomb-throwing AJPW is indicative of that, as is current day NJPW (for a quality comparison), but the problem in the instance of a high-flying match is that to setup the next spot, the breathing room between spots is mitigated beyond, perhaps, what it should be. There are guys who can work the style exceptionally (Rey), but I think it requires a helluva talent to master successfully. Ricochet does a good job, but there's a plateau.

I won't argue that this is a must-see spectacle, ready to grace many match of the year lists, but, for the style, it's a very good, if albeit pop-sugar, match. It's certainly better than quite a number of the juniour matches off of the Best of 2000s Puro poll. Perhaps that's due to the other not aging as well, but time will only tell here. I'm not hazarding this as timeless, it's not exceptional enough, but it feels more complete than the average Dragon Gate spotfest where the structure feels disjointed due to the my-turn/your-turn style they run. Sure, this match had a nefarious no-sell or three, but its parts slotted into the whole and the selling existed where need-be. I'd cheekily say that Ospreay made the obnoxious dueling forearms spot look better than Ishii, Zayn or Nakamura have this year, by simply latching onto Richochet's arm bands and using them to desperately stay afloat amidst the barrage. It was a sweet little moment, in a sequence I otherwise loathe.

I think it was interesting to see Regal defend this match, though I think the implication are obvious (WWE are courting the two), but I think that opens up a possible avenue for Will. I've never been sold on him, and he's still very cartoonishly outlandish here, but the kid has athleticism for days and no doubt would be a fabulous star to mold in the performance centre. He's certainly a better acrobat than Evan Bourne who, lest we forget, was dogging it on RoH shows in 2005/2006 only to "get it" and look like an absolute star a half decade later. Regal/Bourne from a Romania is still one of my favourite WWE house shows, and testament to what development can do to a talent.

All praise aside, lunatic spots and actual psychology (learned psychology of matches evolving as the series progresses) is all to be found in the Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi feud. It's a pity that their work was quickly latched on to around the FantasticaMania show only to be forgotten so quickly. Ironically, I'd hazard it being due to Ospreay making a name for himself, but no matter. I'll wave the lucha flag all by lonesome, once more.

First I'd just like to say, your prose is exquisite. Seriously. You know how to turn a phrase my friend, I enjoyed reading that, quite a bit actually. It's funny, one of my pet peeves is when people try to write like you did there, but they don't actually know what the words they are using mean, or don't know how those words should actually be used in a sentence. So when I started reading your review, my bullshit radar went on high alert, I kept looking to see if you actually knew what you were saying or if you just liked the smell of your own farts. Im happy to report when I finished you passed with full marks, you indeed can write. (Y)

Thank you for posting that, even though you and I generally dig a lot of the same stuff, I'm afraid this match just doesn't sound like something I'd be into. I've just reached my maximum threshold for fast paced, spot heavy, high flying stunt exhibitions. Even when those matches are done smartly and actually tell a story, I just can't enjoy matches like that anymore. Maybe I'll come around again, maybe I'll find myself in the mood for something like that, but I've just been so inundated with that style of work these last few years that I can't enjoy them as the popcorn/Hollywood blockbuster/cream puff type match they are intended to be.
 
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