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This has been building for a while but the last Takeover was where it really felt that the same guys have been hanging around too long

The early Takeover shows was pretty much built on the format that the main stars whether it be the women's championship, NXT championship and tag teams would have there two or three takeover show run and then they would move up and clear the path for the next group. That kept the shows fresh as their was progression.

That conveyor belt has been stopped for a while now though, Gargano has been on every takeover show for the last 3 years and Champa would be right with him without injuries.

It's not the just those two though

Adam Cole
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Shayna
Velveteen Dream
Gargano

All those guys have been on nearly every takeover the last two years, As good as they have been it's time to go.

To me the Survivor series Takover at the latest needs to be the blow off for most if not all of those guys (I would do some on the NXT TV show) and By the royal rumble Takeover the card needs to be fresh with guys who have not had their run yet.
 

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It's Johnny's time to go up, even with NXT potentially going 2 hours. And as much I've liked Shayna in spots, her time needs to be done.

Cole and TUE should run NXT for awhile longer. They've become the backbone of the brand. Dream is a future NXT Champion and there's no need to rush him.

NXT needs to make better use of the guys they have on the sidelines and also, IMO, get out of Full Sail more often for TV.
 

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It's because Vince is deathly afraid of firing anybody on the main roster to clear room. Even when there is a call up they're just added to the bloated main roster and not treated as anything special.

Rather than refusing to fire anybody out of fear they go to a rival company, he should fire 20 wrestlers at once and when 4-5 of them get picked up, the rest of the roster would take notice.
 

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It's Johnny's time to go up, even with NXT potentially going 2 hours. And as much I've liked Shayna in spots, her time needs to be done.

Cole and TUE should run NXT for awhile longer. They've become the backbone of the brand. Dream is a future NXT Champion and there's no need to rush him.

NXT needs to make better use of the guys they have on the sidelines and also, IMO, get out of Full Sail more often for TV.
Velveteen Dream is the only one i think could stay past survivor series, have him beat Cole and then defend it up until the mania show and then go up.

The undisputed Era have been running NXT for a while already even though Cole only won the championship in June.

I don't think being the backbone of the brand for this long is good especially when all 4 are veterans who where big on the indies and new japan. It's fine when it was Bayley or Maybe the dream when they were up and coming who needed to grow and develop.
 

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Gargano in the main event for 18 months straight has run it's course. Shayna being Women's champion is badly stale too. At least when Asuka killed the division she was entertaining, talented and actually putting on good matches, Shayna isn't doing any of those things.

The bright spark for me is the Velveteen Dream. He's just getting better and better with every match, and his character work is fantastic. He NEEDS to be the guy who beats Cole for the title.

They should move some guys who they arent using down to NXT. Rusev would be perfect, I think he lives in Florida too. He ain't doing shit on the main roster and could easily be a top face or heel in NXT. Would be cool to see guys like EC3 and Bobby Roode back too, again, two other who ain't doing shit on the main roster.
 

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I loved the #DIY 2 year long story. I think they adapted well after the Alister Black injury to keep the story going. Unfortunately Ciampa's injury accelerated Johnny's feud with Cole and I agree it feels like it has gotten stale. Johnny needs some time off. Maybe not a MR callup but he needs to be on a vacation for awhile. Hopefully Cole can start a new feud and it will actually be interesting. I like Shayna but she needs to move up. They should have given the title to Io last Takeover. NXT is fairly predicable but I have no clue where they are going with this. Dream should have dropped the NA belt to Roddy IMO. I get that since they hot potatoed the title they want a longer reign to build its cred back but he will probably drop it at Wargames to Roddy one on one so Dream can build his feud to take the title off Cole at Takeover Tampa.

Of course this is all subject to change once Vince gets his mitts on NXT creative when they go to FS1.
 

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Imagine not ever being a fan of a lot of those guys. I’ve never been a fan of Cole, TUE (with the exception of Roddy), or Gargano. For the most part I’ve skipped the ME scene for quite some time. Last NXT champ’s matches I watched were Black’s.
 

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Imagine not ever being a fan of a lot of those guys. I’ve never been a fan of Cole, TUE (with the exception of Roddy), or Gargano. For the most part I’ve skipped the ME scene for quite some time. Last NXT champ’s matches I watched were Black’s.
I can see why some wouldn't be a fan of Cole, but what's so great about Roddy? At least Cole has charisma, Roddy's like a glass of water and just as bland.
 

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How long do people want Dream to spend in NXT. Everyone is all don't rush the guy but at this point is it really rushing him. He's spent the better part of the last two years being the most complete performer in NXT. I know there are a lot of people on here have a hard-on for years of service in wrestling as some sort of indication of a person's readiness but that isn't and shouldn't be the case. If you're good and have essentially outgrown a developmental platform then it's time to move on from that platform before your development stalls. Keeping him in developmental would have been like the Pittsburgh Penguins telling Sidney Crosby to start his career in the AHL he was already too good to be there so it is not beneficial for him to be there. Dream staying in NXT will only pad his star rating CV and that isn't necessary and there are guys on the main roster with high-end talent for him to work with on a larger platform. He would go from being the most complete performer(promos, in-ring, charisma, character, and look all five tools baby) to being able to learn from other guys with immense skillsets like Bryan or Joe or Orton, etc.

Plus with his age and skillset you can have a mulligan or two because he has both the time and talent to bounce back. He also has the time and talent that they can grow him in front of the larger audience organically.
 

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I will say NXT definitely has a bit of a "top guy" shortage ever since the Lars, EC3, Black and Ricochet call-ups. Before there were 8-10 guys in the main event scene that could vie for the NXT and NA championships. Now you have 5-6 at the most if you count Riddle and Bruiserweight. So they havent replenished talent like they were doing in the past. Before guys came and went so new blood kept flowing in but now it does feel like they dont have much wiggle room in terms of feuds etc. I do think though that Velveteen and Cole (plus TUE) need to stay in NXT. They will be the face of the brand for FS1 along with Riddle. The issue with NXT going outside of WWE network is that Vince is going to get his dirty old archaic hands all over the product and fuck it up like he has with the main roster especially if it;s going to a 2-hour format (which will help in getting more time for talent but will also make the show drag more and be less entertaining). Plus Dream has SO MUCH potential that I'm scared for his call up just because guys like EC3 and Bobby have done almost diddly squat (yes Bobby had a few title reigns but nothing memorable) and even Shinsuke who has at least gotten multiple pushes feels neglected. It just feels like the main roster is where NXT stars go to die. I like the idea of pulling some guys from the main roster WHO WERE ALREADY IN NXT AND featured on TV a lot and bringing them back there like they did with Breeze and Fandango. This is the only short term fix to their lack of top guys. The women's division isnt doing too badly. Obviously not as good as when Charlotte, Sasha, Bayley, Alexa, and Becky were all down there but also not in terrible shape given Io, Bianca, Candice and Mia. Shayna needs the call up because she can be a believable heel and frankly she's gotten stale (I like her mic work and edge but her matches are pretty boring - easily the worst match of Takeover Toronto). Candice, Bianca and Io should be the focus of the female division and of course Dakota Kai when she returns. Candice and Io took a crowd that did not care about the match and were pretty dead for their matchup (none of them got any pop when coming out nor in the early parts of the match) and made them really become invested in the match. It was one of the highlights of Takeover TO. I think their tag division is in the same shape as the men's, not enough viable teams to challenge Street Profits and TUE. I wonder if NXT becoming so big has affected their mindset and now they seem reluctant to give new guys pushes and want to stick to what's working.
 

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Gargano should have a low key storyline. On the MR he won't be able to make an impact. Leave him in NXT, but just keep him out of a titlepicture for a while.

UE an Cole are still of great value to NXT. They are not really developing though. Give them an interesting storyline like internal struggles instead of focusing on getting all the titles. Make them interesting again and the'll be of much value.

Shayna needs to get out of there. She's simply not connecting with the fans. Put her on the MT next to a returning Rhonda or as bodyguard of some sory of a coward diva.

Velveteen Dream is still developing heavily and therefor can stay on NXT. Just give him a huge storyline transitioning him from NA-Champ to NXT-Champ.

Putting Tyler and Fandango back in NXT was a really smart move. They have experience, can put on decent matches as single competitors or tag team and freshen up the roster.
 

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That's the onion. It's totally stale right now. The latest set of tapings aren't any better.

- Johnny Gargano needs to move up. Even if it's to 205 Live. He's stale in NXT. At least he's finally out of the title scene now. Maybe they want him to go back to chasing the NA title which is OK, I guess, but still. He's reached his limit in NXT.

- Shayna is a catastrophe that just gets worse every day. Nothing further need be said. That title needs to get to Io as soon as possible.

- TUE is stale also. Sorry, they basically had their dominant run last year but got overshadowed by Gargano and Ciampa. Cole's reign as champion and them holding all the gold isn't breaking new ground. It's just a souped up rehash of what already happened last year. And now they're just dithering about with putting all the titles on them.

- Disagree on Dream, he's been the MVP of the show this year. He still has room to grow there too. He should be the one to take that title from Cole. No ifs ands or buts. That's the one silver lining of him likely losing the NA title to Roddy before the year is over.
 

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* I feel like Gargano needs something personal away from the belt. When Ciampa gets back, please just make them a tag team again.

* Velveteen Dream is potentially wrestling's next big star. I want him to do a North American Open Challenge when they go to USA to eventually build to something with Cena at WrestleMania.

* Adam Cole is growing on me, but he just doesn't strike me as a World Champion, which now the NXT Champion has to do.

* Shayna will be losing the Women's Title on that first head-to-head show, I bet. I'm not sure who they go with. Toni Storm is still NXT UK Women's Champ, isn't she? That would be great. I can see it being Candice LeRae, but I'd be fine for someone to take a step back too. Kairi Sane or Asuka would pop the crowd. But you will get progression there.

* You will get some main roster acts passing through, I bet.
 

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Gargano in the main event for 18 months straight has run it's course. Shayna being Women's champion is badly stale too. At least when Asuka killed the division she was entertaining, talented and actually putting on good matches, Shayna isn't doing any of those things.

The bright spark for me is the Velveteen Dream. He's just getting better and better with every match, and his character work is fantastic. He NEEDS to be the guy who beats Cole for the title.

They should move some guys who they arent using down to NXT. Rusev would be perfect, I think he lives in Florida too. He ain't doing shit on the main roster and could easily be a top face or heel in NXT. Would be cool to see guys like EC3 and Bobby Roode back too, again, two other who ain't doing shit on the main roster.
I disagree, Matt Riddle needs to be the one to take the title off Cole, i say once he defeats Dain and moves on from him they need to start moving towards Cole vs Riddle.
 
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