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MITB in LA (June 7th)

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#129 ·
Ok so updated predictions

Tag Match
Cody Rhodes & Jey Uso beat John Cena & Logan Paul - Cody’s not losing his first match back & they need to keep Jey strong for Gunther/Seth. Logan gets pinned.

Men’s MITB
El Grande Americano wins - I have 3 reasons for this pick. 1. My friend who is seemingly Nostradamus when it comes to WWE predictions is picking him. 2. If he’s not winning, why is he even in the match? Surely AJ makes more sense? 3. Apparently Triple H isn’t high on the MITB briefcase. I could totally see him wasting it on a joke act to fall on his ass and get unmasked when he tries to cash in

Women’s MITB
Naomi wins - Triple H & more importantly TKO monitors social media. They’ll be aware of Triple H being called racist and the crying about not enough black wrestlers being featured. They’ll give this to Naomi to appease black wrestling twitter.

Women’s IC Title
Becky Lynch wins - I thought Lyra was winning, but the odds have moved WAY too much for it not to be inside money. She’s -2000 now, so unless it’s fake info someone’s out and lots of people have bought it, Becky’s winning. I assume Lyra raises her hand, then Becky gloats so Lyra beats her ass to not look weak & they continue feuding. I can totally see HHH taking forever to get to Becky/Bayley

Fair play to them, they’ve made me change 3 of my predictions.
 
#130 · (Edited)
If he’s not winning, why is he even in the match? Surely AJ makes more sense?
Maybe WWE just doesn't want Punk and AJ in a ladder match because they're so old and broken down and it's a risky match, and El Gable Americano is there to do some spot with Penta.

I'm picking him too (or Penta, one or the other), but I don't know.....maybe WWE just wants to keep them safe. It might be that simple.

Also, people are reading WAY too much into this "Triple H hates Money In The Bank" shit. He gave Priest and Tiffany the briefcase for MONTHS and constantly teased cash ins with them. I mean, Priest I think held it longer than anyone in the history of the contract. Under his watch, a woman was the first womens holder to hold it longer than a day/2 days. Just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean he won't use it, because he's proven that he will.
 
#137 ·
Then he never will, cause he ain't winning. Cause the booker fuckin' hates him. I don't know how much more evidence you need. It's all right in front of you. The booker hates him.

It doesn't have to be him at all, cause it ain't gonna be.
 
#140 ·
Well it has to be Knight. If he can't win it with THIS field he never will.
LA Knight remains my original pick as well. Grande lowers his chances like crazy but there’s still hope.

I’m not sure if this is considered a spoiler or it’s his prediction but I will hide it using the spoiler tag just in case
According to Wrestlevotes: For the women, Rhea Ripley and Naomi are currently the top contenders to win. As for the men’s side, Seth Rollins and Solo Sikoa are said to be in the running
Lol no way.
 
#141 ·
I can Punk coming out during the Men's MITB to try and prevent Seth from winning, but Bronson and Bron to take him out. This leads to Seth climbing the ladder, only to be get the Superman punch from a returning Roman Reigns. This opens the door for a babyface to grab the briefcase and win MITB.

My prediction: Penta
 
#162 ·
All the speculation ends soon. Are they really only booking 4 matches? Jesus.

I don't understand how live WWE fans paying thousands and thousands of dollars can be so cool with that. Whatever, its not my money. Eventually this PPV will just be the Mens and Women's MITB. 2 matches. $8000 seats. As Jey Uso says, 4 letters. One word. Uh-huh. SCAM.

Final predictions:

LA Knight
Naomi
Lyra Valkyria
Cody Rhodes & Jey Uso


Cody & Jey for the win. Logan Paul takes a pin from Cody. I don't give even the slightest shit about this match. This will be the worst match of the night.

My girl Lyra won't lose to Becky and raise her hand, Bayley is sure to come back here. Then Becky vs Bayley at Evolution. Or maybe they pull a swerve and Bayley turns on Lyra after the match. We never actually saw Becky attack Bayley. Show stealer right here.

There will be one dark-horse unexpected winner I think, and it will be in the women's MITB match. Naomi is my final pick. I was leaning towards Vaquer, but with the Worlds Collide PPV earlier in the day, I don't know if they have her win the case too, because they'd have to put her over Iyo probably at Evolution. I don't know if they want to strap that big of a rocket on her already. There's no rush, but at the same time I won't complain if Vaquer is World Champion by SummerSlam. So I'm hoping for Vaquer but I got a feeling its Naomi. She can just cash in on Tiffany Stratton for a short and inevitably terrible title reign. I don't think they are going with Rhea, I think she's only in there partially because they only booked 4 matches and need more of their stars on the show, and she's one of their biggest along with Punk who will make an appearance guaranteed.

The Men's MITB is the hardest to call now that Grande is in it. They could very well just give it to him for a comedy cash in that fails. I'm holding out hope for LA Knight. If he loses, he loses. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. His pops are nowhere near where they used to be. He loses here and his main event level aspirations die. Unless WWE decides to push him in a year or two, but at that point its too late because he's not even as over as he was in his current state. Another year in the mid-card and his pops will die off even further. I don't see how he can ever reach his prior level of popularity again given how the overall booking has gone since their Netflix debut. Its now or never. And even then LA Knight fans have to hope its not a failed cash in should he win. But thats a problem for another day. There's still a chance Rollins just wins and they go with the most predictable option, but I don't see how that happens when Punk, Zayn, and possibly Roman will be targeting him. Penta has been getting pinned too often lately, that makes me think they have no intention of putting it on him. Solo Sikoa on the off chance that Cobb helps him could win, but chances of that are low.
 
#163 ·
The Men's MITB is the hardest to call now that Grande is in it. They could very well just give it to him for a comedy cash in that fails. I'm holding out hope for LA Knight. If he loses, he loses. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. His pops are nowhere near where they used to be. He loses here and his main event level aspirations die. Unless WWE decides to push him in a year or two, but at that point its too late because he's not even as over as he was in his current state.
I fucking told you he'd fail here and you'd move the goalposts. He hasn't even failed yet and the goal posts have already moved.

You will NEVER learn.
 
#170 ·
Final predictions:

Women's MITB match: Rhea Ripley
Lyra Valkyria
vs Becky Lynch
John Cena and Logan Paul vs Cody Rhodes and Jey Uso
Men's MITB: PENTA

I'm a little less confident in my women's MITB prediction than I was only because I could totally see them giving this to Naomi as she is the ultimate nepo bitch and the only one who is a true heel in this match but I just can't see them putting in Rhea to lose the match. Plus if HHH hates the concept like everyone says, the easiest thing he can do is give the accolade to Rhea for the cheap Mami in the Bank merch sales for a month and then use it to challenge Iyo at Evolution. So I still ultimately see this being Rhea.

I can't see WWE making Lyra raise Becky's hand as she is one of the biggest white meat babyfaces in the women's division and it would completely kill her as a character. We may see a Bayley return here to cost Becky setting up that feud or a triple threat for the IC title down the line but ultimately, Lyra retains here. This should be the match of the night honestly, love these two.

The men's tag match is the easiest to predict. They won't have Cody lose his first match back after Mania. Cross Rhodes to Paul, 1 2 3. Next.

Men's MITB is the hardest to predict on the card. It is now or never for LA Knight to win this thing after three years of being in the match and fans wanting him to succeed but I just don't see it. There is no evidence to suggest that HHH wants him as a main event player so expect him to come up short again. If he fails here then he's done as far as any chance of being elevated any further up the card and his overness will dwindle even further. You may as well give up on him at that point.

Rollins with his group has been pushed super hard on TV as the favourite to win because of the numbers game which is exactly why I expect him to not win. Bron and Bronson are likely to interfere which will bring out Punk, Sami and maybe Roman to even the odds. That will stop him ultimately from winning. Andrade is there to take big bumps, nothing more, he's not winning. There's always a small chance of Solo winning just because of the family connection but he is embroiled in a story with Jacob Fatu which doesn't need the briefcase so I don't see him winning. They could even go for the real wildcard and have El Grande Americano win for the comedy run if HHH has no plans for this to be used in the main event scene and instead to put more exposure on to the AAA acquisition. I don't see it happening but it's a small chance.

Ultimately though, I'm going with PENTA. Why? 1) He's incredibly over with the fans since debuting. 2) WWE have been trying for years to have a new top luchador in the company and PENTA is the best choice right now. 3) His booking of him recently losing a lot is a good indicator from past winners that he will win. The same can be said for LA Knight but WWE have not shown PENTA the same obvious slight in booking as far as being pushed up the card and 4) The most important part is the AAA connection, World's Collide being on the same day and the big push over the weekend as far as Lucha Libre is concerned. The biggest gesture of good will WWE could show the acquired AAA brand is to have one of it's biggest former stars win the biggest match of the weekend which is this match. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But to me thinking about booking this thing out, this is the outcome that makes the most sense I think in terms of how WWE are going to think about this match.

I hope I'm wrong about both MITB matches and we have Stephanie Vaquer and more importantly LA Knight win but I don't think I will be. Let's see.
 
#180 ·
Ultimately though, I'm going with PENTA. Why? 1) He's incredibly over with the fans since debuting. 2) WWE have been trying for years to have a new top luchador in the company and PENTA is the best choice right now. 3) His booking of him recently losing a lot is a good indicator from past winners that he will win. The same can be said for LA Knight but WWE have not shown PENTA the same obvious slight in booking as far as being pushed up the card and 4) The most important part is the AAA connection, World's Collide being on the same day and the big push over the weekend as far as Lucha Libre is concerned. The biggest gesture of good will WWE could show the acquired AAA brand is to have one of it's biggest former stars win the biggest match of the weekend which is this match. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But to me thinking about booking this thing out, this is the outcome that makes the most sense I think in terms of how WWE are going to think about this match.
Damn. You're making sense. I'm afraid now.

I think LA Knight and Chad Gable deserve the win. And Solo kind of does. Since this El Grande Americano thing doesn't need a world title and Solo can wait, it should be LA Knight. Or that's what I think.
 
#176 ·
Yeah, actually it does. Jinder Mahal is on a higher level than LA Knight. Factually.
No, just no. Jinder Mahal is on a higher level until he's written out of history by the fans like The Great Khali was. Khali is not on a higher level than Sami Zayn because he had a couple of Punjabi Prison title defenses. Title reigns like that are forgotten. This is a fundamental disagreement we will just have. Being over matters, and when you win a title and aren't over, no one gives a shit. So if no one gives a shit, why does the title win matter to any given talent? So you can accomplish something no one is celebrating with you in an industry that is built and backed by the fans? Getting a handshake or an "atta boy" from HHH is more important than 50k raving fans going crazy for an over guy winning the World title? Nah bro.

Wrestling is about the fans? Tell that to Triple H who does nothing for them. Any person who has never been a world champion is a FUCKING FAILURE. It doesn't matter how over they are. They could get Hogan in the 80's responses every week. No world title, you didn't fucking make it in this business.

Based on your logic, why are you even wanting LA Knight to win the world title at all? Why do you care? He's been over, he is over, so it's worthless according to your logic. Being over is the only thing that matters, right? Apparently.....but you still want him to win, because deep down you know better. Noise is useless.
LA Knight is still more over than most of the roster as it stands. His gimmick is still better than most of the roster's as it stands. If he wins MITB now, while he's still over, and not after he's been in the mid-card for another 2 years, then it would make for much better TV.

If he wins the World title for reasons out of WWE's control in 2028 when he is no longer over, then I wouldn't care, and his title reign would be worthless. At that point in the year 2028, a still over Jacob Fatu would be on a higher level, assuming he hasn't won it yet. Because I don't see the WHC as an accomplishment IF the people are not behind you.

Not winning the World title doesn't make you a failure, it just means you accomplished less than the main eventers. And everyone can't be in the main event at a 100% success rate. Failure is an extreme way to put it. You're saying the careers of many great talents were worthless just because they didn't win the top belt. Yeah I think otherwise.
 
#177 ·
No, just no. Jinder Mahal is on a higher level until he's written out of history by the fans like The Great Khali was. Khali is not on a higher level than Sami Zayn
Yes, he is. Khali is a success and Zayn is a failure who didn't make it in wrestling.

because he had a couple of Punjabi Prison title defenses. Title reigns like that are forgotten.
Big fucking deal.

This is a fundamental disagreement we will just have. Being over matters, and when you win a title and aren't over, no one gives a shit.
And I don't give a shit if no one gives a shit. Why do I validate my opinions based on what YOU think? And I don't just mean you, I mean the royal you, the fanbase at all. Why do I care?

So if no one gives a shit, why does the title win matter to any given talent?
Because it's an accomplishment. It's no different than winning an Oscar. If no one cares that you won an Oscar, you still won a fucking Oscar. This is our version.

So you can accomplish something no one is celebrating with you in an industry that is built and backed by the fans?
It's not built and backed by the fans. If it were, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Getting a handshake or an "atta boy" from HHH is more important than 50k raving fans going crazy for an over guy winning the World title? Nah bro.
Why would getting a handshake or an atta boy from Triple H be more important than winning a world title? I just told you it's world title or bust.

LA Knight is still more over than most of the roster as it stands.
And is no better off than any other talent on the roster who hasn't been world champion. They're all equal failures.

His gimmick is still better than most of the roster's as it stands. If he wins MITB now, while he's still over, and not after he's been in the mid-card for another 2 years, then it would make for much better TV.
Yeah, well, it ain't gonna happen.

If he wins the World title for reasons out of WWE's control in 2028
There is no way for it to be out of their control. It's fake, they control everything. If he wins it, it's because they had some reason where they wanted it to be him. They have an entire roster to put it on.

when he is no longer over, then I wouldn't care, and his title reign would be worthless. At that point in the year 2028, a still over Jacob Fatu would be on a higher level, assuming he hasn't won it yet.
No, he wouldn't be, he'd be on the same level, cause they've both never been the champion.

Because I don't see the WHC as an accomplishment IF the people are not behind you.
And you're wrong.

Not winning the World title doesn't make you a failure, it just means you accomplished less than the main eventers.
It does, and this is the exact reason it needs to happen. I cannot have my people failing in this industry.

And everyone can't be in the main event at a 100% success rate.
Oh, here we go with the "not everyone" shit. Why does LA Knight fall into "not everyone"? Why does an over, charismatic, great on the mic, guy with a great look and better in ring than Jey Uso, Damian Priest and other people who've been world champion fall into "not everyone"? Why the fuck doesn't Damian Priest fall into "not everyone"? It's only "not everyone gets to be a success" when they're talented. If they're untalented, the sky is the limit. If they're talented, the limit's the sky.....

Failure is an extreme way to put it. You're saying the careers of many great talents were worthless just because they didn't win the top belt. Yeah I think otherwise.
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Guys like Samoa Joe, William Regal, etc, failed in pro wrestling. They did not have successful careers. Unfortunately. That's why this business sucks.
 
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#179 ·
Except it's not his. At all.

Alright, so I've watched the relevant portions of SmackDown, I've seen what they did on it, I've seen how that shifts the potential landscape, there are no shows left, I've debated the matches that I need to debate in my own head multiple times, back and forth, considered the viewpoints, this is the final, final, final prediction

Mens MITB - Penta
Womens MITB - Rhea
IC title - Lyra
Main event - Cody and Uso
 
#190 · (Edited)
I don't get the Penta predictions, I'd say he and Andrade are the only ones that have a 0% chance of winning. He's there for the high spots and cool moments, much like Andrade.

The other four all have more chance of winning.
A babyface is winning. Seth has pissed off the whole lockerroom, so it won't be him, and Solo has pissed off Jacob, so it won't be him, and Gable is not going to win off of all the babyfaces interfering, so a face is walking away with the case, and it ain't gonna be Andrade, and the people who know what to expect are too smart to pick LA Knight because they know better than to trust Triple H when he's proven that LA Knight is somebody that he's against.

Some people have not learned this. Hopefully tonight will be their wakeup call.....but I know that the second someone else wins the briefcase, it's gonna shift to "He's winning KOTR" Then when he loses that, it'll shift to "He's winning the Rumble" Then when he loses that, it'll shift to some other title shot.

FFS.

There's only one obvious choice. Penta does not have 0% chance at all. He's from AEW and we know that WWE has an initiative to push them, he's from AAA and we know that WWE is making a huge push to showcase AAA, they're doing this whole big Lucha push, and MITB is basically in Mexico, for all intents and purposes.

Damn. You're making sense. I'm afraid now.
You should be afraid because he's right.

I was the first one to say all this stuff, for the record, so I want credit for it after Penta wins.