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I had a wierd dream less than an hour ago

I was watching a tna ppv from home, they were clearly weren in the IZ

It was now time for the tag title match i cant remember who was in the ring already but Octogon was now in the ring. Then it showed the crowd some of them on their feet

Tazz saids on commentary that thia is like an impact opening, whatever that means, then this orchestra music starts up

and few people in the crwd clearly hispanic were singing, the lyrics sounded spanish it went something like

"Oa Ve Ar Sar Hor, El Hijo Hevoh El Santo" over and over as El Hijo Del Santo comes down through an LAX style entrance way but more dignified

the people singing also did hand gestures , a Jeff Hardy one follwed by holding up three fingers and lowering them

I HAVE NO EARTHLY CLUE WHERE THIS CAME FROM, though i do remember watching the 3 way dance tag from ECW Guilty as charged 1999 beofre going to bed last night

Tell me Libre historians, were any of Los Santo's entrances anything like that?
 

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I haven't checked out much new lucha this year so I'm definitely checking those out. People need to get on the Black Terry train. They don't know what they're missing. Same thing goes for Dick Togo.

I also watched Cicloncito Ramirez vs. Damiencito El Guerrero [1/7/97] and that was phenomenal. I'd put it up there with the 20 best lucha matches that I've ever seen. As good as lucha gets.

I also just acquired Negro Casas vs. El Dandy [7/15/92] and I've heard people swear by that match. How can you go wrong with 2 of the greatest wrestlers squaring off?
 

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I haven't checked out much new lucha this year so I'm definitely checking those out. People need to get on the Black Terry train. They don't know what they're missing. Same thing goes for Dick Togo.
Completely agreed. I also really love Negro Navarro, they make a great team.
 

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Here's Ohtani's Jacket's (from DVDVR/WKO/Pro-Wrestling Only) Top 20 Lucha Matches of the 90s:
1. Atlantis vs Blue Panther, 8/9/91
2. El Dandy vs Negro Casas, 7/3/92
3. Angel Azteca vs. El Dandy, 6/1/90
4. El Satanico/El Dandy/Emilio Charles Jr. vs. Atlantis/Javier Cruz/Angel Azteca, 5/13/90
5. Los Infernales (MS-1, Satanico & Pirata Morgan) vs. Los Brazos, 11/22/91
6. Bracito De Oro/Cicloncito Ramirez/Mascarita Magica vs Damiancito El Guerrero/El Fierito/Pierrothito, 10/3/97
7. Cicloncito Ramirez vs Damiancito El Guerrero, 1/7/97
8. Trio Fantasia v. Thundercats, (Masks vs. Masks), 12/8/91
9. Ciclon Ramirez vs Felino (Mask vs Mask), 7/9/93
10. Pirata Morgan vs El Faraon (Hair vs Hair), 11/16/90
11. El Hijo Del Santo vs Brazo De Oro (Mask vs Hair), 1/13/91
12. El Mariachi vs Blue Panther, 10/30/94
13. Ciclon Ramirez vs Javier Cruz (Hair vs Hair), 6/10/94
14. Atlantis/Brazo De Oro/El Dandy/Mascara Magica/La Fiera/Negro Casas/Shocker/Ultimo Dragon vs Black Warrior/Dr. Wagner Jr./El Hijo Del Santo/Felino/Kevin Quinn/Satanico/Scorpio Jr./Silver King, 4/18/97
15. El Hijo del Santo vs. Felino, 7/4/97
16. Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs Apolo Dantes, 5/31/96
17. Octagon vs Fuerza Guerrera, 11/1/91
18. Mascarita Sagrada vs Espectrito I, 3/12/94
19. Silver King vs Apolo Dantes, 6/23/95
20. Dr. Wagner Jr./El Hijo Del Santo/El Texano/La Fiera/Mascara Magica/Mr. Niebla/Shocker vs Black Warrior/El Dandy/Felino/Mano Negra/Negro Casas/Scorpio Jr./Silver King, 3/28/97
 

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OJ's blog is one of the better wrestling blogs on the net. His hatred of Jerry Estrada makes me a sad panda, though.

Spent the last while finishing up the DVDVR Texas set so I'll try and get caught up with the 2011 lucha soon. Dandy and Fuerza making tape is still the best thing to come out of 2011 wrestling for me.
 

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Here's Ohtani's Jacket's (from DVDVR/WKO/Pro-Wrestling Only) Top 20 Lucha Matches of the 90s:
1. Atlantis vs Blue Panther, 8/9/91
2. El Dandy vs Negro Casas, 7/3/92
3. Angel Azteca vs. El Dandy, 6/1/90
4. El Satanico/El Dandy/Emilio Charles Jr. vs. Atlantis/Javier Cruz/Angel Azteca, 5/13/90
5. Los Infernales (MS-1, Satanico & Pirata Morgan) vs. Los Brazos, 11/22/91
6. Bracito De Oro/Cicloncito Ramirez/Mascarita Magica vs Damiancito El Guerrero/El Fierito/Pierrothito, 10/3/97
7. Cicloncito Ramirez vs Damiancito El Guerrero, 1/7/97
8. Trio Fantasia v. Thundercats, (Masks vs. Masks), 12/8/91
9. Ciclon Ramirez vs Felino (Mask vs Mask), 7/9/93
10. Pirata Morgan vs El Faraon (Hair vs Hair), 11/16/90
11. El Hijo Del Santo vs Brazo De Oro (Mask vs Hair), 1/13/91
12. El Mariachi vs Blue Panther, 10/30/94
13. Ciclon Ramirez vs Javier Cruz (Hair vs Hair), 6/10/94
14. Atlantis/Brazo De Oro/El Dandy/Mascara Magica/La Fiera/Negro Casas/Shocker/Ultimo Dragon vs Black Warrior/Dr. Wagner Jr./El Hijo Del Santo/Felino/Kevin Quinn/Satanico/Scorpio Jr./Silver King, 4/18/97
15. El Hijo del Santo vs. Felino, 7/4/97
16. Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs Apolo Dantes, 5/31/96
17. Octagon vs Fuerza Guerrera, 11/1/91
18. Mascarita Sagrada vs Espectrito I, 3/12/94
19. Silver King vs Apolo Dantes, 6/23/95
20. Dr. Wagner Jr./El Hijo Del Santo/El Texano/La Fiera/Mascara Magica/Mr. Niebla/Shocker vs Black Warrior/El Dandy/Felino/Mano Negra/Negro Casas/Scorpio Jr./Silver King, 3/28/97
Where's Saint and Octogon vs Los Gringos?
 

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Where's Saint and Octogon vs Los Gringos?
Not many hardcore lucha fans are into that match (meaning the WWC match). At least the ones that I've encounter. Plus, OJ isn't that much of a AAA fan.
 

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I don't think it's a case of only "hardcore lucha fans" not digging it as opposed to it just plain not being very good.

Irrespective of whether you like AAA or not, I can't imagine too many people that've seen a decent amount of 90s lucha thinking the WWC match is one of the top 20 lucha matches of the entire decade.

Decent comparison might be the Steiners match that won the Observer MOTY for '91. Good "gateway" to puro at the time, but doesn't hold up to a shit ton of stuff over time. The WWC match is sort of the same for lucha.
 

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Never even heard of some of the stuff OJ's got listed there. Way different to what I would put out. Thought the Santo/Felino match from 98 was their best by far and the big Santo/Casas from 97 is probably my best Mexican match ever. Lack of Santo/Casas/Dandy 'Triangle' match is a little :sad: as well.
 

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Never even heard of some of the stuff OJ's got listed there. Way different to what I would put out. Thought the Santo/Felino match from 98 was their best by far and the big Santo/Casas from 97 is probably my best Mexican match ever. Lack of Santo/Casas/Dandy 'Triangle' match is a little :sad: as well.
From what I've heard, he's not a big fan of Santo/Casas 97 which makes me a sad panda.

Everyone needs to see Trio Fantasia v. Thundercats, (Masks vs. Masks), 12/8/91. One of the best tag matches that I've ever seen and it's also bloody. Good times.
 

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I wonder if Negro Casas has ever had a match with Ric Flair. Could you imagine both of them working opposite of each other at their primes? I remember watching Jericho's DVD and on one of the commentaries, he mentioned that he was trained by Casas and compared him to Flair.
 

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So I watched Negro Casas/El Dandy from July 92 last night and man alive was that amazing. It's a shame that wrestling fans seem to picture lucha as this mindless spotfest thing that's a couple notches below Dragon Gate when it's really quite the opposite. This match only had a couple missile drop kicks from Casas and El Dandy climbed the top rope to land on Casas on the outside and that was around the half hour mark. The rest of the match was some of the best mat work int he history of wrestling.

What I love about lucha mat work is that they are scientifically very sound, have some of the most innovative submissions and counters and are able to keep it incredibly entertaining and not dull at all whereas in the U.S. a lot of wrestlers struggle to keep the mat sections of their matches entertaining.
 

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Where did you find that match at? I definitely wanna see that one
I found it at WKO. It's definitely one to seek out for sure. If I knew how to rip and upload matches, I'd put up quite a few classics on the forum. This place desperately needs more lucha.
 

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i have no clue what WKO is but someone definitely needs to tell you how to upload because you are right this site lacks a lot of really good lucha. I'm not as into the total spot fest stuff i want to see a lot more El Dandy and that kind of thing. The spot happy matches can be fun but in small doses
 

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I've always felt that Blue Panther is Mexico's Ric Flair but I can certainly see the comparison between Casas and Flair.
 

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That 2 out of 3 falls from July 92 was awesome. I loved the build up. The crowd was hot. The referee and Negro Casas' corner man were feeding the match. I didn't know the match was 2 out of 3 falls until after the 1st commercial break, and I was bummed how it ended. I was pleasantly surprised to see the match continue. That was probably the first time I ever watch El Dandy outside of America, and that was only time I've seen Negro Casas' that I can remember. I'd give this match five stars for sure, and I'm looking forward to watching some more off that list Yeah1993 posted.
 
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