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It affects me because he's hardly on television to push his father name and legacy. He can be in AAA,CMLL or even IWRG. The last time I seen him was at Triplemania 2009 and now he's suing AAA for putting him on a dvd cover or something like that. He complains about AAA and CMLL but you can't change nothing from the outside. Fans want to see him while he can still go.

I give Latin Lover credit for at least still doing shows but he like to play with AAA as well. AAA was about to push him as the top tecnico recently but of course Latin disappears as always.

Lucha Libre is different from the rest of the world. Fans don't care about the other shit. Fans cares about tradition. If Santo return back to Arena Mexico for a good year, it would help them out a lot. Fans in Mexico want to see these guys in either CMLL or AAA. The reason why Santo independent shows have failed in the past 3 years is because fans in Mexico doesn't except that. Same with Blue Demon Jr and NWA Mexico. Perro Del Mal is only staying in business because of AAA. That relationship saved the promotion. Wagner,Perro Jr,LA PARK, Silver King learn the hard way and realize to keep their name and reputation valuable they have to join either AAA or CMLL. The days of Santo and Blue Demon doing an independent show drawing thousands is over. With WWE hitting the market, AAA(partnership with IWRG and Perro Del Mal) and CMLL, independents is damn near dead.
 

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The thing I love about Lucha and old school territory wrestling is how unpretentious it is. Both rely on tradition, excitement and hot crowds. I have a big problem with indie crowds these days as the fans are just so up their asses and shit on everything or try to put themselves over all the time instead of just watching the show. Another part is the wrestling itself. While I do enjoy technical wrestling, I'll take a great brawl or an exciting classic lucha match over a lot of ROH's stuff anymore.

I was looking at an updated list of my favorite matches from all promotions and a trend that ran through the whole list was intensity and excitement. Probably why matches like Chicana/MS1 and El Hijo del Santo/Negro Casas showed up really high. Match that with Stan Hansen possibly being my favorite wrestler and you got one hell of a list.
 

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Has anyone seen WWC (World Wrestling Council) on WAPA America? It's on Saturdays and Sundays in the afternoon. From the little I've seen of it, I can't bring myself to like it. It's worse than AAA on Galavision.
 

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I don't get the channel as it looks like a regional one. Plus, I have no interest in watching WWC after the Bruiser Brody murder.
That happen so long ago, longer than Owen Hart tragedy.

Cubs Fan post WWC and all LUCHA shows on his website every week. WWC sucks,it's extremely boring to me. Week of 11-13-2010 lucha libre downloads http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=9813
 

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Viva La Lucha - Retribution

1. Cosmico & Celestial vs Mr Aguilita & Talisman
**1/2

2. Elimination Tag Match
Black Terry & Solar vs Negro Navarro & Ricky Santana
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3. El Dynamita Rico Dynamite vs Famous B
*1/2

4. Pesadilla, Radge & Heddi Karaoui vs Drastik Boy, Konami & Naruto
**1/2

5. PWR Junior Heavyweight Title Match
Mr Wrestling IV vs Derek Sanders
**1/2

6. Hijo De Rey Misterio, Hijo De LA Park & El Angel vs Black Warrior, Bestia 666 & TJP
**1/2

7. Three Way Hardcore War
Supreme vs Damien 666 vs X Fly
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8. PWR Heavyweight Title Match
Oliver John vs Blue Demon Jr
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Are there any good CMLL and AAA matches from this year that isn't L.A. Park vs. La Parka?

I've been really behind on this years wrestling as I've been mostly watching old Territory, old Puro and old Lucha when I felt like watching wrestling.
 

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From what I hear Lucha's been pretty hard to sit through this year. The Indy promotion IWRG had plenty of great stuff that are easy MOTYCs if haven't watched those though. Black Terry is a WOTYC.

About to go on a Blue Panther kick. :hb
 

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Black Terry's been all kinds of incredible this year.

Just watched Mistico vs. Volador Jr. from February 5th and it was great. Rudo Mistico is quite something to behold and a red hot crowd. Not too much action in the first 2 falls as it's just Mistico playing a chickenshit heel and ripping Volador's mask off and taunting the crowd. Mistico also does something in the 2nd fall that I could see Eddie Guerrero doing. The 3rd fall is pretty fun as they get into the match and pulled off some good arm drags and such. A fun match that really helps with a rudo teasing the hell out of the crowd and doing some really low things and Valador putting on a very good performance.
 

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Blue Panther/El Valiente/El Metro vs. Averno/Mephisto/Virus [CMLL 2/6/10]
A borderline high end match. Just when you thought that Blue Panther was going to be stale, he pulls out a great performance. His exchanges with Averno is great stuff. The match also got quite a bit of time. Too bad Valiente and Virus did not get too much time in the first fall and if they extended it a couple minutes longer, it would be something really amazing. Valiente does hit a spectacular double jump moonsault into the front row in the third fall. This may rank pretty high up as far as best lucha matches of the year.
 

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Perro vs. Mesias was extremely fun.

You need to track down La Sombra or Dorada matches.

Latin Lover just return to CMLL,again. How long will that last?
 

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The Powerslam Top 50 Wrestlers have been released for this year and once again, no luchadores are mentioned. It's weird when a growing demographic of wrestling fans are hispanic and the oldest promotion in the world as well as one of the biggest, CMLL, you'd think that it'd get some coverage.

When you're a magazine that's supposed to cover all wrestling and give attention to the indies and Puro (which I love) but totally ignore a large part of wrestling is egregious.

Another question, I've been looking on The Cubs Fan page for quite a while but can't find any download links. Is there a page that I'm missing?
 

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I don't know why I keep giving AAA more chances. Besides one good trios match with Jack Evans that went half an hour, the wrestling is sloppy and the product is just uninteresting to look at. It seems like they have to show Konnan's face every 5 minutes in the 2 hour show.

I wish Galavision on my network was airing CMLL or even better, IWRG.
 

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Perro vs. Mesias was extremely fun.

You need to track down La Sombra or Dorada matches.

Latin Lover just return to CMLL,again. How long will that last?
Really? it looked like Perro didnt care in that match. I swear he was on something. At one point in the match Mesisas bascially irish whipped himself into the corner.
 
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