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He's lucky that a large majority of wrestling fans don't have sod all going on in their lives in terms both career aspects and little social life and can afford to waste 10 odd hours some weeks of watching wwe showd, just look on twitter and see the state of their fans on there and it's not just wwe fans just to make it clear.
 

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That's how much entertainment products are these days, exist as a live service, and wants as much engagement possible. This goes on with streaming services, video games, tv shows, sports and with the advent of social media, you became the adviser as you talk about it.
 

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Vince can't create stars, the only thing he can do is give wrestlers a platform. There is maybe four guys in the history of WWF/E going back 60 odd years that were arguably bigger "stars" than Cena and certainly money draws so this idea that somehow in last 10 years they haven't had someone bigger is kinda stupid really.

Define quality. Was Vince maineventing ppvs above WWF champion, winning Rumble, winning WWF title quality tv?

Sorry but no. Plenty of current acts have brought in lots of money for company. New Day, Becky Lynch, Bryan, Bray Wyatt, Sasha Banks among them.

Did fans suddenly get all nostalgic for the past when online orders set record numbers last year?





National TV each week people know their names. Most have big online social media following.

Fans still fucking remember jobbers from the days of wrestling challenge.



Edge has wrestled a 35 minute, 45 minute and 60 minute match since his return last year. Paralytic my ass.

Vince has always brought old guys back. Wrestlemania 3 he had Andre who wasn't able to walk to the ring in the mainevent. Wrestlemania 7 a barely mobile Slaughter in mainevent. Wrestlemania 18 a broken down 50 year old Hogan brought back when WWE should have dozens of "stars" to fill that spot coming out of Attitude Era.

Randy Orton is same age as Bret Hart was in 97 and Flair was in 89. I don't remember anyone saying Bret was too old in Montreal at Survivor Series 97. Brock is younger than Tom Brady!!



people aren't fucking buying the network for the old stuff lol. WWE had classics on demand available for years and never more than 100k homes subscribed. George Barrios when he was there said ppvs, NXT and some of comedy stuff was far and away most watched things on the network.

NBC aren't pay $1b for old content that can easily be found on youtube



If that was the case why was business so awful in 2004 then. WWE turned the company around in 2005-09 to a point they doubled their attendance, huge rise in merch sales and revenue/profit compared to 2003-04.

Also if that was the case why did WCW go under? Surely them being "good" in 96-98 should have been enough for the company to make nice profit in 2000-01. Starrcade went from 600,000 ppv buys and 15,000 fans selling out arena to 5,000 in same building (lots of paper) and 44,000 ppv buys in just 2 years.

Think about that for a moment. The biggest WCW show of the year on a free week in the middle of a fucking boom period did less sales than an average AEW show.
The premise of current WWE is their brand value, the unlimited content in the WWE network (Their old shows may not be the most watched obviously who will just rewatch old stuff?) but they are the biggest incentive to subscribe.. And the old glories that are always thrown in all major events just for nostalgia.

That's bussines optimization, WWE does not sell their current product as it is, they sell their whole content, who is actually watching their shows to see Seth Rollins every week? No one. And no one gives a shit about Rollins, he is got no fans, not in the level to be a draw by himself.
 
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