Don't even compare a TV show to a wrestling show presentation. This is back in the day where a lot of people still thought wrestling was real. It wasn't presented as fiction. And even if it's just as you say actors doing a scene, they still performed it. It isn't like an action, or murder scene with special effects. It is literally Lita and Edge in the ring simulating sex acts. Not to mention the fact that her nipple was shown on live TV as a result.
Back in the day? Kayfabe was dead in 2006. Dead. Vince McMahon flat-out admitted that these people were playing characters. Let's not re-write history. If the audience can't figure out that it's fiction, that's their problem.
Kayfabe has been dead and buried since the turn of the century when the Internet arrived. The scripted nature of the biz was as known then as it is now, I don’t buy this line of argument
It's unethical to imply that WWE wrestlers are puppets and Vince can make them do whatever he wants them to do or they are fired. I'm not mad at the segment itself, it's the fact that she was forced to fucking do it. That's my main issue. If she had agreed upon it, then it is what it is, I would have zero issues with it. When you consider the times where wrestlers were asked to do stuff and they said no and Vince was happy to go along with it, but he would not say no to this. Even after Cena and Edge supposedly tried to stop it he forced the issue. Wrestling isn't the same as a TV show where the wrestlers have zero say or input in what they want with their characters. They have a right to draw a line. I'd like to think that it's a mutual relationship of give and take not a complete dictatorship. In that case you are basically signing away your life.
Unreal niavete in this post. Have you ever had a job? Mutual relationship, lol. Generally your boss doesn’t negotiate when your given a task or assignment. You either do what’s asked or you take a walk. Unless you have an unbelievable amount of value to your employer if you don’t do what’s asked of you, your ass if gone.
It's not that simple in wrestling. I get the stuff about having a job and doing what you are told I totally understand that but it gets complicated in wrestling. Look at what happened after the fact, Lita got buried and then fired and they humiliated her on the way out. WWE has the power to make or break careers, look what they did to Mike Kanellis and the shit they made him do. He never recovered from that. It's not as simple as do what they tell you, when you are in the public eye and the shit that you do has a massive effect on how you are perceived by fans and your future career. And wrestling is a creative outlet for a lot of wrestlers, and they want to have a say in their characters and the direction of their careers. I didn't know having live sex was in the job description in being a wrestler for the WWE. And when you look at the biggest stars in wrestling, they usually had a relationship with Vince and worked together coming up with ideas, they had mutual respect and openness to create stuff together.
Literally that’s how wrestling has been since forever. There have been maybe a handful of stars who have had input into their careers or the direction of the company and those are the top top level stars who can get away with it because they have tremendous value and the company is willing to put up with their demands because they bring in revenue.
And yes I've had a job. This has nothing to do with me. I'm not in the public eye. My boss would not ask me to do something I wasn't willing to do within the umbrella of my job description. If my boss asked me to do something that had nothing to do with what I was hired to do, for example if I was hired to be an engineer and my boss asked me to do his fucking laundry I have every right to refuse and he cannot fire me with any justifiable cause.
And what Lita was asked to do was well within her job description. Once again, the character she was playing was a hyper-sexualized valet in a Rated R gimmick. Vince wasn’t telling her to go clean the fucking toilets.
Sometimes doing the ethical thing is best for business. And that was my whole argument from the start. That what Vince McMahon asked of her was unethical. Had nothing to do with business but you tried to change it up. By definition it is unethical. That was my whole argument, I never brought up any entertainment business stuff. I never disputed the fact that Vince had every right to demand her to do that or to fire her. I'm arguing whether it was morally right to do. It's not and it's just more evidence to add to the mountain of evidence that Vince is morally bankrupt.
It has nothing to do with ethics. She’s being paid to play a role. That’s the job. What don’t you grasp about this.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but Cena's gone to bat lots of times for other wrestlers. He was pretty much the only reason Christian even got to have his little mini feud with him in 2005, and was pissed when they drafted him to Smackdown.
I don't comment on here much but I have to say this is a perfect distillation of the kind of mentality that makes the world a shitty, miserable fucking place to live in sometimes & I've never been more happy that this kind of mindset is slowly but surely disappearing from society at large.
This is wrong on so many levels, and it makes for a shittier product. A good example is the Roman situation where he was forced to play a baby face which seriously restricted his ability to grow as a talent and realize his full potential. I think it is Vince's job to design roles for his talent that highlight their strengths and put them in situations where they can be used to the maximum possible potential.
I don't comment on here much but I have to say this is a perfect distillation of the kind of mentality that makes the world a shitty, miserable fucking place to live in sometimes & I've never been more happy that this kind of mindset is slowly but surely disappearing from society at large.
