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The degree to how much of an outsider he is is debatable for sure, but the fact that he is to some degree is a huge plus in his column vs someone like Corey Booker for example.
Oh yeah, for sure. Can't dispute that.




In America, Bernie is not radical to what the American people want, he is radical to the establishment Dems and reps, but that is why he is the most popular politician in the country because he is one of the few that fight for the American people, now if some want to call that radical by all means call that radical. It all depends on what they mean by radical. In this case, think it's being used as a slight but when it fact its a huge positive.
I don't dispute that what he is advocating for is popular at least by the polls that I have seen, keep in mind there's always going to be to a certain degree the shy voter in terms of voting for a more right wing party. It's certainly true in the UK in terms of the Conservatives here and I'm certain it's true for the Republicans. To what extent is certainly something we can debate.

But overall I mean in terms of the current overton window in establishment politics. To give you an example, universal healthcare in Europe is the norm (hell I'm for universal healthcare, I just disagree it should be a monopoly whether private or public which is my issue with Bernie on Single Payer), in the US any form of universal healthcare is left wing.....despite the fact that the Swiss system which is what I would advocate for is considered right wing in European politics.

Does that make sense to you?



The label Bernie gives himself is really irrelevant since we should just focus on his policies. That is why more important than a semantic argument of what to label it. I think we can both agree on that. TBH I dont care what Bernie labels himself, I care more about what policies he wants.
I definitely agree regardless of who it is we should focus on their policies more, hence why I have not outright stated that Bernie is only pushing what I think he can get away with. The only reason why I stated that Jeremy Corbyn is doing that is because there is overwhelming evidence that supports it. That isn't the case with Bernie in my opinion at least. The American opinion of what socialism is (both Democrat and Republican by the way) is utterly shit.


I dont think Bernie would say anything just to hope to get votes then do a 180 like Trump did, if he did that i would be the first person to call out Bernie for that. I think Bernie truly beileves and wants the things he is advocating for.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying what he is advocating for in public isn't what he believes, I very much believe that he feels those are the right positions to take. What I question is whether or not that is all he is advocating for as far as changing the US is concerned or whether he would rather push the US further to the left i.e more economic interventionism and outright government control of economic sectors.

As I said, I have no evidence to suggest that he does, only past comments from decades ago which he could very easily have changed his view on.





I think Warren would also wipe the floor with Trump but I would much rather Tulsi run. LIke I said before let Warren run and clean up the Treasury dept, she would be perfect for that. If Trump is still there in 2020 which I still doubt, unless HIllary or someone like he runs, I thin the Dems still win. Booker could beat him, but it would be close. But only if they dont let Hillary campaign for them.

I cringe that Gillum is letting HIllary campagin for him. FFS she is one of the least popular people in the country. Not sure what he wrong with him.


Its shit like that, that will get the GOP 4 more years and possible losses they should be winning in the midterms
The problem with Warren is she mostly says the right things at least in terms of the progressive base (which I disagree with) but her actions and votes say something different. For example, she has consistently voted to increase the defense budget along with Republicans and Corporate Democrats.

One of the few issues I think we agree on is that Defense spending or military spending as it should be called is way too high in the US. Yet Warren has increasingly voted alongside the establishment on this issue. That's just one example.

For me personally, any potential candidate who supports the war machine is an automatic no go. It's a red line for me. If it's not for you then I understand but Warren in my opinion isn't trustworthy. She's lied and gone against her so called principles too many times.

I disagree with your analysis with Booker. He represents too much of the status quo and is not enough change to beat Trump. People in general will go with the status quo in an election if there is not enough at least perceived positive change. You don't get that with him, it's more of the same.

Whilst I hate to say it, I think the Democrats in this particular climate need to go a little more to the left. By that I mean social democracy, not socialism. Which Bernie at least policy wise fits.
 

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But overall I mean in terms of the current overton window in establishment politics. To give you an example, universal healthcare in Europe is the norm (hell I'm for universal healthcare, I just disagree it should be a monopoly whether private or public which is my issue with Bernie on Single Payer), in the US any form of universal healthcare is left wing.....despite the fact that the Swiss system which is what I would advocate for is considered right wing in European politics.

Does that make sense to you?




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if you are saying single payer should be an option, then I agree. You should also be able to get private insurance if you want instead.


The problem with Warren is she mostly says the right things at least in terms of the progressive base (which I disagree with) but her actions and votes say something different. For example, she has consistently voted to increase the defense budget along with Republicans and Corporate Democrats.

One of the few issues I think we agree on is that Defense spending or military spending as it should be called is way too high in the US. Yet Warren has increasingly voted alongside the establishment on this issue. That's just one example.

For me personally, any potential candidate who supports the war machine is an automatic no go. It's a red line for me. If it's not for you then I understand but Warren in my opinion isn't trustworthy. She's lied and gone against her so called principles too many times.

I disagree with your analysis with Booker. He represents too much of the status quo and is not enough change to beat Trump. People in general will go with the status quo in an election if there is not enough at least perceived positive change. You don't get that with him, it's more of the same.

Whilst I hate to say it, I think the Democrats in this particular climate need to go a little more to the left. By that I mean social democracy, not socialism. Which Bernie at least policy wise fits.
Didn't she vote on the passing of the military budget because if that passed the GOP said they would pass something she and the DNC wanted? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but either way, she should be voting no on that and all Dems should be. I agree the military budget is way too high. Its just funny how the GOP claims the US can afford things the DNC wants yet they can spend all this money on the military, when the could cut it in half and still spend more than every other country in the world.

The majority of Americans hate Trump, I can't see Booker being less popular than him. But I wouldn't take my chances with him, because the GOP could beat him. Sanders and Tulsi are the only sure things to win in 2020. And trust me Booker is near the bottom of any list I would ever make.

All these Dems have to do to win is be for single payer, pro-pot for the whole country, anti-war, stricter gun control, money out of poltics, all things the majority of the country want, and they would easily win.
 

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if you are saying single payer should be an option, then I agree. You should also be able to get private insurance if you want instead.
What I advocate for is a social insurance model which I would recommend you look up. To try and explain it as simply as I can, it is a two or three tier healthcare model where emergency and basic healthcare is fully covered regardless of what your income is. So in this system, you wouldn't have to pay out extortionate amounts for emergency healthcare. However, in a social insurance model, there is also a healthy amount of private healthcare alongside a public insured option. For example, in Germany, 35% of their healthcare is covered by private insurance. In Switzerland and Holland it is closer to 100% private insurance but the difference between those countries and the US is that everyone has universal coverage so those who can't afford insurance are covered either by subsidies or by public insurance.

There should in my opinion be a freedom to choose in terms of healthcare. That is severely lacking in the UK right now for example. 93% of the healthcare market is ran by the NHS in the UK, which is a national health service ran by the government. It is overran by economic inefficiencies, particularly in the winter where more vulnerable people get sick i.e the elderly or the young. This has led to what has been known as the winter crises in the UK where there have been severe shortages of basic resources to cope with the influx. Beds are a classic example. We have the most bed shortages in the entire world with a 40% decline in the number of beds available over a 20 year period.

To be fair and to put it into context, this has been under a system where the hospitals are run by the government which no other 1st world country has been stupid enough to do. Which is what I am currently fighting against most of all. But other problems such as long waiting lists and healthcare rationing occurs in all single payer healthcare systems where the majority of the healthcare market is dominated by one source. This is why I am against the Medicare for All proposal.

The NHS is particularly bad due to mismanagement and the nationalization of the healthcare service. It's gotten so bad that we have outsourced operations to French hospitals. I don't think any other health service have gotten to the level that they need to outsource their own operations to foreign countries :lol.

To be fair, I do feel some sympathy to you because the healthcare debate in both the US and the UK are utterly ridiculous. If you propose any form of universal healthcare in the US, half the country will say you're a raving lefty yet if you propose any form of healthcare away from the NHS here in the UK you're considered a far rightist who wants to take the UK to a completely private healthcare system with no universal coverage. The debate on healthcare in both our countries is mad :lol.

I am not for the current US system, particularly under Obamacare. I think Switzerland, Holland, Singapore and Germany as examples are much better in terms of providing healthcare. I think my own country is just as bad if not worse than the US with healthcare but for different reasons.



Didn't she vote on the passing of the military budget because if that passed the GOP said they would pass something she and the DNC wanted? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but either way, she should be voting no on that and all Dems should be. I agree the military budget is way too high.
I have not read that she voted for the bill because the GOP said they would help pass another bill she wanted to go through. Either way, I wouldn't trust politicians who make that sort of proposal and I wouldn't trust anyone who would put aside their supposed principals to simply pass a bill they wanted to be put on the floor.

Its just funny how the GOP claims the US can afford things the DNC wants yet they can spend all this money on the military, when the could cut it in half and still spend more than every other country in the world.
I agree with the hypocrisy. The GOP do have a point on the medicare, medicaid and social security spending, it represents 70% of the budget or what is known as mandatory spending. Currently, the US is over $100 Trillion in terms of unfunded liabilities for all three social programs due to borrowing, social security in particular is in real trouble in terms of being able to fund the promises for pension funds from the government which there are no easy solutions to. That's another area we will disagree on in terms of the role of government.

But you are right that it gives no excuse for the US to spend more on their military than the next 10 to 12 countries combined. Whilst it doesn't really make a difference from what I have seen to the future budgets of medicare, medicaid and social security, it is huge waste of money which could be saved to reduce the deficits for example which have been way too high since the end of the Bush years at the very least. Both Republicans and Democrats have been terrible on fiscal responsibility.

The majority of Americans hate Trump, I can't see Booker being less popular than him. But I wouldn't take my chances with him, because the GOP could beat him. Sanders and Tulsi are the only sure things to win in 2020. And trust me Booker is near the bottom of any list I would ever make.

All these Dems have to do to win is be for single payer, pro-pot for the whole country, anti-war, stricter gun control, money out of poltics, all things the majority of the country want, and they would easily win.
Whilst Trump has been unpopular, polls that I have seen which have been verified by the likes of Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore have shown that the Democrats as a whole have been even more unpopular than Trump. Honestly that has been because they have failed to resist Trump on actual important issues such as foreign policy. They have simply not done enough on policy issues and instead have focused on Russiagate which even if you believe is true which I know you do, the majority of the American people don't care about compared to actual substantive policy issues.

Booker won't win against Trump, I'm only saying this because I'm not American so it doesn't effect me, oppose him at all costs.

I agree with you on Tulsi, Bernie and the issues you laid out. That's the most effective path to Trump leaving the white house. I don't think the DNC will realize it though :lol.
 

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The Republicans delayed by holding the elected majority in Congress. The Democrats are delaying by trying to destroy a man's life, undermining the foundational principles of our legal system, and whipping half the country into a frenzy believing the other half supports rapists.
Garland missed on a promotion basically. He probably still doesn't win even if they take a vote. Brett and his family have had to go into hiding it appears. What is funny to me is that the left has shown no empathy (this being one of the left's big buzzwords) for Brett's wife and children says a lot. Even if one doesn't like Brett, they could show some of the same concern over his families safely that they show for Ford. The Dems are supposed pro female, but to hell with Brett's wife and his little girls.

I can't really support either party. Too many people crave control and seek to control other Americans. I do despise the left more though. They've made it very clear that they hate me. If you're what they see as a straight white male that doesn't want the handouts they offer, they don't really care about you. Part of my appreciates that they're upfront about it, but the other part gets annoyed that they still expect me to vote for them despite their hatred of me. They still feel entitled to my vote. I just find it really bizarre more than anything at this point.

On the other hand, if the winds were blowing in their favor I fear that the right would try to force religion down my throats. I almost view each party as two rebel forces fighting for control of everyone else. Maybe one is slightly worse than the other, but neither one is what I want.
 

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What I advocate for is a social insurance model which I would recommend you look up. To try and explain it as simply as I can, it is a two or three tier healthcare model where emergency and basic healthcare is fully covered regardless of what your income is. So in this system, you wouldn't have to pay out extortionate amounts for emergency healthcare. However, in a social insurance model, there is also a healthy amount of private healthcare alongside a public insured option. For example, in Germany, 35% of their healthcare is covered by private insurance. In Switzerland and Holland it is closer to 100% private insurance but the difference between those countries and the US is that everyone has universal coverage so those who can't afford insurance are covered either by subsidies or by public insurance.

There should in my opinion be a freedom to choose in terms of healthcare. That is severely lacking in the UK right now for example. 93% of the healthcare market is ran by the NHS in the UK, which is a national health service ran by the government. It is overran by economic inefficiencies, particularly in the winter where more vulnerable people get sick i.e the elderly or the young. This has led to what has been known as the winter crises in the UK where there have been severe shortages of basic resources to cope with the influx. Beds are a classic example. We have the most bed shortages in the entire world with a 40% decline in the number of beds available over a 20 year period.

To be fair and to put it into context, this has been under a system where the hospitals are run by the government which no other 1st world country has been stupid enough to do. Which is what I am currently fighting against most of all. But other problems such as long waiting lists and healthcare rationing occurs in all single payer healthcare systems where the majority of the healthcare market is dominated by one source. This is why I am against the Medicare for All proposal.

The NHS is particularly bad due to mismanagement and the nationalization of the healthcare service. It's gotten so bad that we have outsourced operations to French hospitals. I don't think any other health service have gotten to the level that they need to outsource their own operations to foreign countries .

To be fair, I do feel some sympathy to you because the healthcare debate in both the US and the UK are utterly ridiculous. If you propose any form of universal healthcare in the US, half the country will say you're a raving lefty yet if you propose any form of healthcare away from the NHS here in the UK you're considered a far rightist who wants to take the UK to a completely private healthcare system with no universal coverage. The debate on healthcare in both our countries is mad .

I am not for the current US system, particularly under Obamacare. I think Switzerland, Holland, Singapore and Germany as examples are much better in terms of providing healthcare. I think my own country is just as bad if not worse than the US with healthcare but for different reasons.



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Well actually 70% of Americans want Medicare for all, it's more than just 50/50/ Even a majority of Republicans want it too. Also didnt Trump claim during the election he was for single payer to replace Obamacare?

How good healthcare in the US depends on what state you live in, blue or red. Because most blue states kept most of Obamacare intact, whereas most red states didn't do all those extensions.

the tiered system you mentioned would be better but what Bernie is looking for is Medicare for all which works great



Whilst Trump has been unpopular, polls that I have seen which have been verified by the likes of Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore have shown that the Democrats as a whole have been even more unpopular than Trump. Honestly that has been because they have failed to resist Trump on actual important issues such as foreign policy. They have simply not done enough on policy issues and instead have focused on Russiagate which even if you believe is true which I know you do, the majority of the American people don't care about compared to actual substantive policy issues.

Booker won't win against Trump, I'm only saying this because I'm not American so it doesn't effect me, oppose him at all costs.

I agree with you on Tulsi, Bernie and the issues you laid out. That's the most effective path to Trump leaving the white house. I don't think the DNC will realize it though



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The sad thing is, the corp. democrats would rather lose to another corp. republican than win with a democrat progressive.
Because sure the American people (middle class and poor) have the most to lose when a REP wins but even if a REP wins the corp. Dems financially still benefit and that is what they care about the most.
 

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Amazon raised wages to $15 bucks an hour.

Citing tight labor market. But I think that a recent Twitter exchange between Bernie and Bezos bight have something to do with it as well.

Funny though. This still needs to be accounted for inflation. And 350k workers are a drop in the ocean in a country of 160 million odd workers.
 

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I lived in halls of residents with 40 other nursing students, if you put any single one of them, even the ones I didn't socialise with I could tell you whether they were flat out drunk often or not. Which is why this mans testimony is credible. The girls I lived with in particular I could recall.

Brett lied under oath.

Does that make him a sexual predator who abused Ford, no, but it does make him a perjurer and not fit for the highest office. Get rid of him, get someone else who is just as conservative, there are a ton of better options (Well, for Republicans, they're all shit to me!), and move this circus on.

This is highly damaging to both sides, you only have to see how people responded to Trump mocking a potential sexual abuse victim to see how low politics has come.

Trump: Ford was a highly compelling credible witness
Trump a week later: Uses Ford as a political rally punchline.

Gross.
 

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Can we just put all the politicians into a giant meat grinder?
 

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Lol. Like Democrats won't accuse everyone of being a rapist from here on out. Who haven't they accused of sexism, racism, fascism, and anything under the sun in the last 30 years.
When will people wake up and recognize that the democrats entire platform is to call everyone else evil.

Bush was once a racist. McCain was once a racist. Now that their racist slander isn't working so they'v egone directly to calling people rapists.

Next phase of Democrat politics. Call everyone a pedophile after they stop receiving the political beneift of calling people rapists.

These people have 0 integrity and Americans who support them are part of the problem of perpetually keeping democrats in power.

Even someone like BM whose own candidate was screwed by the democrats still goes to bat for the democrats. So the corrosion of American fortitude is self evident at this point.
 

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Lol. Like Democrats won't accuse everyone of being a rapist from here on out. Who haven't they accused of sexism, racism, fascism, and anything under the sun in the last 30 years.
When will people wake up and recognize that the democrats entire platform is to call everyone else evil.

Bush was once a racist. McCain was once a racist. Now that their racist slander isn't working so they'v egone directly to calling people rapists.

Next phase of Democrat politics. Call everyone a pedophile after they stop receiving the political beneift of calling people rapists.

These people have 0 integrity and Americans who support them are part of the problem of perpetually keeping democrats in power.

Even someone like BM whose own candidate was screwed by the democrats still goes to bat for the democrats. So the corrosion of American fortitude is self evident at this point.
A year ago I would have tried to argue with you (Man we had some arguments didn't we). Defend the Democrats.

I can't.

You're right.

They're scum.
 

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A year ago I would have tried to argue with you (Man we had some arguments didn't we). Defend the Democrats.

I can't.

You're right.

They're scum.
I'm also tired of arguing. At least a lot of us in this thread that have spent so much time together are finally starting to see eye to eye.

Hey ... Given how much "leftists" are praising Nike these days apparently that's another thing the left and right can now agree on. And all Nike has done is spend millions they earned from the same people and gave it to one person using people's emotions against each other. While society remains divided, they're literally laughing all the way to the bank ... Being supported by "leftists"

Corporations own Americans. Heart and mind. There really is no doubt at this point.

I'm pro capitalism still but not to the extent where such manipulation should be allowed to exist.
 

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Lol. Like Democrats won't accuse everyone of being a rapist from here on out. Who haven't they accused of sexism, racism, fascism, and anything under the sun in the last 30 years.
When will people wake up and recognize that the democrats entire platform is to call everyone else evil.

Bush was once a racist. McCain was once a racist. Now that their racist slander isn't working so they'v egone directly to calling people rapists.

Next phase of Democrat politics. Call everyone a pedophile after they stop receiving the political beneift of calling people rapists.

These people have 0 integrity and Americans who support them are part of the problem of perpetually keeping democrats in power.

Even someone like BM whose own candidate was screwed by the democrats still goes to bat for the democrats. So the corrosion of American fortitude is self evident at this point.
Once Bush started to take pictures with the Obama's and so on he stopped getting attacked from the left. Stopped getting called racist and most everything. I mean, he took a lot of fair criticism when he was President, but the Dems seem to have gone soft on him some. The same with McCain the last couple of years. It was no longer beneficial to attack these two guys.

That said, the Republicans went too far with attacks when Obama was President. He really got handed a raw deal. He gets blamed for making easier access to welfare when he was President, but given how everything played out right before he was elected, it's hard to blame him for that. And the birther stuff was terrible also.
 

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Once Bush started to take pictures with the Obama's and so on he stopped getting attacked from the left. Stopped getting called racist and most everything. I mean, he took a lot of fair criticism when he was President, but the Dems seem to have gone soft on him some. The same with McCain the last couple of years. It was no longer beneficial to attack these two guys.

That said, the Republicans went too far with attacks when Obama was President. He really got handed a raw deal. He gets blamed for making easier access to welfare when he was President, but given how everything played out right before he was elected, it's hard to blame him for that. And the birther stuff was terrible also.
I know. Both parties are the scourge of humanity.

But people vote their own leaders when they continue to vote the scourge of humanity on both sides.

So it's all a mess because people deserve the leadership they elect from amongst themselves.
 

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Lol. Like Democrats won't accuse everyone of being a rapist from here on out. Who haven't they accused of sexism, racism, fascism, and anything under the sun in the last 30 years.
When will people wake up and recognize that the democrats entire platform is to call everyone else evil.

Bush was once a racist. McCain was once a racist. Now that their racist slander isn't working so they'v egone directly to calling people rapists.

Next phase of Democrat politics. Call everyone a pedophile after they stop receiving the political beneift of calling people rapists.

These people have 0 integrity and Americans who support them are part of the problem of perpetually keeping democrats in power.

Even someone like BM whose own candidate was screwed by the democrats still goes to bat for the democrats. So the corrosion of American fortitude is self evident at this point.
Do you think that Brett Kavanaugh has any integrity after lying under oath over and over again?

Do you really find him credible?

Its also funny you claim that I defend the Democrats yet I bashed the shit of Hillary and the establishment Democrats all the time.

Do you really think BK after all of his lying is fit to be on the SCOTUS?
 

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Do you think that Brett Kavanaugh has any integrity after lying under oath over and over again?

Do you really find him credible?
I don't care about Kavanaugh or the supreme Court because I consider the system to be broken anyways.

But I do care about you going to bat for the democrats even though they keep screwing you over.
 

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I don't care about Kavanaugh or the supreme Court because I consider the system to be broken anyways.

But I do care about you going to bat for the democrats even though they keep screwing you over.
Nice deflection.

And I don't go to bat for the dems on everything, so you are not being truthful. You are better than that.
 

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Nice deflection.

And I don't go to bat for the dems on everything, so you are not being truthful. You are better than that.
Deflection? How is it a deflection when I don't give a shit about anyone in the supreme Court since they're all partisan hacks chosen by partisan hacks? None of them I'm have any credibility because the system doesn't have any credibility. Almost all of their rulings in the past several decades have been pro corporatist.

Have you ever voted for any non Democrat?
 

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Deflection? How is it a deflection when I don't give a shit about anyone in the supreme Court since they're all partisan hacks chosen by partisan hacks? None of them I'm have any credibility because the system doesn't have any credibility.

Have you ever voted for any non Democrat?

Its deflection because if you admit he is not credible then it would be silly of you to claim oh I am a biased democrat for being against Kavanaugh.

Yes, I told you before I voted for Romney over Obama the 2nd term because Obama what not what he claimed to be. I have brought this up over and over again on these forums

I voted for Weld in MA back in the day as well as Cellucci. Also voted for some Republicans in elections almost every election.

I don't vote down ballot.
 

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Its deflection because if you admit he is not credible then it would be silly of you to claim oh I am a biased democrat for being against Kavanaugh.

Yes, I told you before I voted for Romney over Obama the 2nd term because Obama what not what he claimed to be. I have brought this up over and over again on these forums

I voted for Weld in MA back in the day as well as Cellucci. Also voted for some Republicans in elections almost every election.

I don't vote down ballot.
Kavanaugh is probably some corporate shill and that's why they're pushing so hard to get him in. There's no doubt about that. But that does not mean that any other pick would be any better because over time the supreme Court as well as Congress have been filled with pro corporatist shills. The hostile takeover of the country is complete. You and I both know this. I know that deep down you do know this.

It is actually good to know that you don't always blindly vote democrat. Hopefully in time you'll realize that voting for anyone is pointless.

I'm a cynic now.
 
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