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I don't care about someone who couldn't cut it needing to make more money.

if you have a family, you shouldn't have a minimum wage job, period.

minimum wage jobs are built for children to get their start in, and have a family that they can depend on

Yes, i feel no remorse for the 26 year old, that is working full time at Mickey D's or entry level at Amazon, because he doesn't think he can do better.
Who is talking about a min. wage, we are talking about a living wage. Stop trying to make a strawman argument. And working at Amazon should give you a living wage. Amazon is not McDonalds, so it should not pay like it is.

You don't think an entry level job at a huge corp like Amazon should give a living wage? How does that even make sense?


what the CEO doesn't make a difference to me, because it aint my money anyway.

it doesn't make sense because you feel sorry for those people, well, then if you have a bleeding heart, give them your stuff, you have more than they do, so that would be just as good.

And how would my prime not go up?

Someone has to pay those workers... and then what happens when the people make 15 want a raise... because they are now making the minimum, so you raise them to 18
someone has to pay those workers? Amazon makes billions they can afford it. The whole reasoning for them giving their average workers more money was because of how much Amazon makes

Also Trumps tax cuts were supposed to pay for these types pay raises so nothing should go up like prime. That is why Trump claimed he gave them right



hen what about the $18 an hour workers, so you raise them to 21

then the $21 an hour workers.. and so one and so forth.

Where does this money magically come from?

Just the CEO? Doubt it.

billionaires don't become billionaires because they like to lose money
What about the $18 an hour workers they wouldn't need to be changed. You are just making up stuff now.

Well the money comes from Trumps tax cuts he gave them right? That is why he claimed he gave them. Are you going to deny that?

Also since you are talking about min wage, the wage should keep up with inflation, and if they did, it would be about $12 an hour which it's not.

Companies making billions can easily pay their workers $12-15.

Also amazon paying its workers and other companies paying their workers more money would make more money because people would have more disposable income and put it back into the economy.

That is how you stimulate the economy but the middle and lower classes making more money.
 

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Nice strawman article since we were never talking about the minimum wage.
Hmmm, seems like we were:

Oh and look Jeff Bezos caved to Bernie Sanders and is now giving his workers $15 an hour


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/sanders-praises-jeff-bezos-for-hiking-amazon-minimum-wage-to-15.html

Bernie Sanders praises Jeff Bezos for hiking Amazon minimum wage to $15


Sen. Bernie Sanders praised CEO Jeff Bezos on Tuesday after Amazon announced that it will increase the minimum wage for its workers to $15 per hour for all U.S. employees.

"It is no secret that I have been a harsh critic of the wage and employment practices of Amazon and its owner Jeff Bezos," Sanders said. "It has been my view that the middle class and working families of this country should not have to subsidize Mr. Bezos, the wealthiest person on Earth, because many of his Amazon employees earned wages that were so low that they were forced to go on government programs like food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing."

Last month, Sanders introduced legislation named the Bezos Act that would tax corporations for every dollar their low-wage workers receive in government health-care benefits or food stamps.

The Vermont senator on Tuesday congratulated Bezos "for doing exactly the right thing." Amazon said it will also start advocating for an increase to the federal minimum wage.

"Today, I want to give credit where credit is due," Sanders said.

Sanders has been fighting for several years to increase the minimum wage in the United States to $15 per hour. In his statement, Sanders also thanked Amazon workers who reached out to his office asking for support fighting for a minimum wage hike.

The senator said Amazon's announcement, "could well be a shot heard around the world." Sanders called on other profitable companies to make similar moves.

"Bottom line is that in the richest county in the history of the world, no full-time employee should be living in poverty," Sanders said.

Bezos thanked Sanders on Twitter and said he "hopes others will join in."

Sanders is a proponent of the $15 minimum wage, correct... so that is a time you were talking about it.

Bernies ideas are some of the most popular in the country. 70% of Americans support Medicare for all for example. He is the most popular politician in the country because his ideas are so well received.

Jeff Bezos just made a $15 min wage for Amazon because of Bernie Sanders.

You need to start using facts
There it is again

Yeah that is why now he says it like no CEO should make 1000x that of their average employee. Basically saying that the average workers wages should keep up with the top CEO, which I would hope everyone can agree with, Bezos did since he finally set at $15 min wage for Amazon, so that is a start
There it is again

So that's 3 times you have mentioned minimum wage in this thread.

But then you changed it to living wage, at the end. Are you saying that Amazon is not giving a living wage now, because the minimum is the $15 you want

Or is the $15 the living wage, and you were just saying Amazon's minimum is fine?
 

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Do non-billionaire owners of small businesses with tighter margins have to comply with paying living wages too?
 

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Who is talking about a min. wage, we are talking about a living wage. Stop trying to make a strawman argument. And working at Amazon should give you a living wage. Amazon is not McDonalds, so it should not pay like it is.
I just showed you here you were 3 times.

And Bernie Sanders wants a $15 an hour minimum wage, are you denying that?

You don't think an entry level job at a huge corp like Amazon should give a living wage? How does that even make sense?
No I don't. Do you know what entry level is?

It means jobs that you get to gain experience to get better jobs, that's why it is a minimum wage, and not a maximum one.

someone has to pay those workers? Amazon makes billions they can afford it. The whole reasoning for them giving their average workers more money was because of how much Amazon makes
Yes, someone has to pay those workers.

You think the money is coming strictly out of Jeff Bezos' pocket?

Do you work for a living.. do you think the job fairy just comes and gives you a paycheck?

Money has to come from other places, that's why people create budgets

Also Trumps tax cuts were supposed to pay for these types pay raises so nothing should go up like prime. That is why Trump claimed he gave them right

We aren't talking about Trump, we aretalking about Amazon and the minimum wage, stay focused

What about the $18 an hour workers they wouldn't need to be changed. You are just making up stuff now.
Ok, I will put this down again, because you don't want to get it

If entry level is $15 an hour, what does the level above entry level get? And the level above that? and the level above that, and above that?

You would be ok with the guy below you getting a raise, but you don't? That would be ok with you?

Well the money comes from Trumps tax cuts he gave them right? That is why he claimed he gave them. Are you going to deny that?
I am going to deny I said anything about Trump. Stay on track.

Also since you are talking about min wage, the wage should keep up with inflation, and if they did, it would be about $12 an hour which it's not.
So the 15 year old kid at McDonald's should be making $12 an hour... that's not far off the $10 that I think is fair, so I am not going to argue that

Companies making billions can easily pay their workers $12-15.
Yes they can, just not entry level workers... that's where we disagree

Also amazon paying its workers and other companies paying their workers more money would make more money because people would have more disposable income and put it back into the economy.
So, people who are bad with money get more money to be bad with.

Let me let you in on a lesson you obviously have never learned:

It's not about the money you earn, it's the money you keep"

This is why you have broke professional athletes, and broke CEO's because if you are bad with money $15 an hour ain't going to be what saves you.

That is how you stimulate the economy but the middle and lower classes making more money.
So you want to give the middle class more money to blow on stupid shit?

Got it
 

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Sanders is a proponent of the $15 minimum wage, correct... so that is a time you were talking about it.

I was not talking about a $15 min wage with you lol

And WTF are you talking about, Bernie Sanders got Jeff Bezos to give HIS WORKERs $15 an an hour. That is not the federal minimum wage.

You can't even be honest.


There it is again
yeah FOR HIS COMPANY NOT THE FEDERAL MIN. WAGE which is what you are talking about when you say McDs workers should not get $15 an hour for fastfood.

Jeff is AMAZON

There it is again

So that's 3 times you have mentioned minimum wage in this thread.

But then you changed it to living wage, at the end. Are you saying that Amazon is not giving a living wage now, because the minimum is the $15 you want

Or is the $15 the living wage, and you were just saying Amazon's minimum is fine?

WTF are you talking about, Amazon changed their entery level pay to $15 an hour, you are tallking about the federal min wage and claimed that is what we are talking about and why you pointed to min wage vs iving wage in that article.

You do understand just because Amazon is now giving $15 an hour nothing changes for the rest of the country.



So the 15 year old kid at McDonald's should be making $12 an hour... that's not far off the $10 that I think is fair, so I am not going to argue that
yes min wage should be $12 at least for people working party time at McDs in HS or college.


Yes they can, just not entry level workers... that's where we disagree
LOL if you dont think billion dollar companies can pay entry-level workers $15 an hour and still make billions. Espeically the people making at the top take a small pay cut if they don't want to cut into their bottom line

I am going to deny I said anything about Trump. Stay on track.
LOL way to deflect the way they would be paying for it with Trump tax cuts

So, people who are bad with money get more money to be bad with.

Let me let you in on a lesson you obviously have never learned:

It's not about the money you earn, it's the money you keep"

This is why you have broke professional athletes, and broke CEO's because if you are bad with money $15 an hour ain't going to be what saves you.
yes it is about the money you earn if you don't earn enough to stay afloat you are screwed and that is the point people like you miss
if you are working two jobs and still cant pay your bills, basic bills, something is broken. And its a joke you dont think an entry level professional job should pay at least $15 an hour


So you want to give the middle class more money to blow on stupid shit?

Got it
yet another deflection lol
 

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I was not talking about a $15 min wage with you lol

And WTF are you talking about, Bernie Sanders got Jeff Bezos to give HIS WORKERs $15 an an hour. That is not the federal minimum wage.

You can't even be honest.
I must have gotten confused by all the time you said $15 minimum

And you are saying that Bernie Sanders isn't asking for the federal wage to be $15, because that's what I said, and you said that's dishonest.

Just want to clarify that

yeah FOR HIS COMPANY NOT THE FEDERAL MIN. WAGE which is what you are talking about when you say McDs workers should not get $15 an hour for fastfood.
So you don't support Sanders' Fight for $15... because that would be a federal minimum wage


WTF are you talking about, Amazon changed their entery level pay to $15 an hour, you are tallking about the federal min wage and claimed that is what we are talking about and why you pointed to min wage vs iving wage in that article.
Let me phrase i another way:

You acknowledge that a living wage, and a minimum wage are different

Do you think the federal minimum wage should be $15 an hour?

You do understand just because Amazon is now giving $15 an hour nothing changes for the rest of the country.
Except that Bernie's rallying cry is it to change for the rest of the country... do you agree with that?


yes min wage should be $12 at least for people working party time at McDs in HS or college.
Ok, so you don't agree with a $15 an hour minimum wage, just that entry level at certain corporations should be $15

But that still changes the marketplace

Wal-Mart is a company that makes billions, should they be $15? And if they should be, what is stopping any 15-21 year old kid just going there instead of McDonald's?

LOL if you dont think billion dollar companies can pay entry-level workers $15 an hour and still make billions. Espeically the people making at the top take a small pay cut if they don't want to cut into their bottom line
You seem to not be understanding, that I think very lowly of someone who has a family and works an entry level job.

If you did things the right way, and started working in HS/College, there is no reason you need an entry level job when you would need to sustain you own income.

I stopped making minimum wage at 17 years old, there is no reason anyone over 23 should be making it

LOL way to deflect the way they would be paying for it with Trump tax cuts
Yes, because we weren't talking about Trump tax cuts, you didn't acknowledge my point about grownups making minimum wage, I am not wasting time talking to you about Trump

yes it is about the money you earn if you don't earn enough to stay afloat you are screwed and that is the point people like you miss
if you are working two jobs and still cant pay your bills, basic bills, something is broken. And its a joke you dont think an entry level professional job should pay at least $15 an hour
This is what poor people say.

If you are working two jobs and can't pay your bills, you need less bills.

What's broken is you.

My grandmother got divorced and stayed in a 1 bedroom apartment with my mom and Aunt for 7 years, working for a better life

Don't try to make me feel sorry for anyone

Learn a trade, better yourself, there is financial aid, and things out there.

Elon Musk talked about working 100 hours a week, when everyone does 40, he earned his money.

Nothing is stopping anyone from going to do those things, you want people to be lazy, you want them to be dependent, you want them to be stuck

If you can't figure out how to make shit work on 11 an hour, then what is 15 going to do?

Don't live beyond your means, invest in yourself, and don't stop learning, someone taught me these things at 19 years old, and I made good doing it.

Like I said bleeding heart, you get a paycheck, before paying your bills, help someone pay there's, I am not in the business of charity for people who don't want to do anything about their situation


yet another deflection lol
Only because you realized how dumb it is what you said.

"If people made more money, they would put the money back into the products"

Well, then what is the point of even giving them the money, you think them buying more stupid shit helps their situation?
 

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I must have gotten confused by all the time you said $15 minimum

And you are saying that Bernie Sanders isn't asking for the federal wage to be $15, because that's what I said, and you said that's dishonest.

Just want to clarify that

Bernie Sanders want a min. a wage of $15 an hour.

We were talking about the $15 that Amazon workers got. Bezos said $15 will be the min. that Amazon will pay his workers then you started talking about fed min wage. That is where the disconnect started.
I was talking about this pay increase but you were implying I was talking about a $15 fed min wage, which I wasn't in those examples you quoted.


So you don't support Sanders' Fight for $15... because that would be a federal minimum wage
You are talking about two different things with what Amazon got and Bernie wanting a federal min wage. Do I support his fight for $15 yes for full time workers.

Again you are trying to combine two different things.

Let me phrase i another way:

You acknowledge that a living wage, and a minimum wage are different

Do you think the federal minimum wage should be $15 an hour?
Yes a living wage and the fed. min wage are two different things. What I am saying is, if you have a full-time job, it should be a living wage, including entry level jobs.

Again yes the fed. min wage should be #15 an hour for a full time job, if its your career. The min wage for full time jobs should be a living wage.


If you are working a part time job as a kid in HS or college, then no it does not have to be $15 an your, it should be more like $12 which is what it would be if it kept up with inflation.

Except that Bernie's rallying cry is it to change for the rest of the country... do you agree with that?
Which a huge percent of the country agrees with. I answered the question a few times in my last two comments in this new post, I will just refer back to that.


Ok, so you don't agree with a $15 an hour minimum wage, just that entry level at certain corporations should be $15

But that still changes the marketplace

Wal-Mart is a company that makes billions, should they be $15? And if they should be, what is stopping any 15-21 year old kid just going there instead of McDonald's?
if you work full time at walmart it should be at least $15 if you are part time then $12, No one in the country should make less than $12 even at McD or Walmart.
Not sure this will cause issues where these companies just won't make people full time to save from paying $15 to full time but they do that shit anyways to not pay insurance.



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You seem to not be understanding, that I think very lowly of someone who has a family and works an entry level job.

If you did things the right way, and started working in HS/College, there is no reason you need an entry level job when you would need to sustain you own income.

I stopped making minimum wage at 17 years old, there is no reason anyone over 23 should be making it


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What that makes you not a very nice person. As for people doing things the right way they shouldnt be working entry level jobs , that is just bullshit. Somethings they have to settle for that to have a job again because of a layoff or some other stuff. Its pretty said you would even say shit like that


Yes, because we weren't talking about Trump tax cuts, you didn't acknowledge my point about grownups making minimum wage, I am not wasting time talking to you about Trump


Of course you wont waste your time because my point refuted your BS about prime having to go up since amazon will be payign more. The whole point of the Trump tax cuts was so companies like Amazon can pay their workers more.

This is what poor people say.

If you are working two jobs and can't pay your bills, you need less bills.

What's broken is you.

My grandmother got divorced and stayed in a 1 bedroom apartment with my mom and Aunt for 7 years, working for a better life

Don't try to make me feel sorry for anyone

Learn a trade, better yourself, there is financial aid, and things out there.

Elon Musk talked about working 100 hours a week, when everyone does 40, he earned his money.

Nothing is stopping anyone from going to do those things, you want people to be lazy, you want them to be dependent, you want them to be stuck

If you can't figure out how to make shit work on 11 an hour, then what is 15 going to do?

Don't live beyond your means, invest in yourself, and don't stop learning, someone taught me these things at 19 years old, and I made good doing it.

Like I said bleeding heart, you get a paycheck, before paying your bills, help someone pay there's, I am not in the business of charity for people who don't want to do anything about their situation

Just more bullshit from you. You live in a fantays world, you really should try living in reality.

Only because you realized how dumb it is what you said.

"If people made more money, they would put the money back into the products"

Well, then what is the point of even giving them the money, you think them buying more stupid shit helps their situation?
The only one making dumb comments here is you like your last paragraph.
 

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So in dystopian America, apparently the president has now given himself the power to push political propaganda directly on your private cell phones.

But yeah. One of the aspects of a dystopian society is that there are always brainless drones who refuse to accept that it's a dystopia.

Obama made propaganda legal and Trump is planning to actually use that legality to pedal his propaganda.

Welcome to the dystopia.
 

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So in dystopian America, apparently the president has now given himself the power to push political propaganda directly on your private cell phones.

But yeah. One of the aspects of a dystopian society is that there are always brainless drones who refuse to accept that it's a dystopia.

Obama made propaganda legal and Trump is planning to actually use that legality to pedal his propaganda.

Welcome to the dystopia.
Luckily I have an iphone and pretty sure I can block that shit ha
 

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Luckily I have an iphone and pretty sure I can block that shit ha
Sadly you're mistaken.

Big Brother made it illegal for their propaganda to be blocked well in advance.


Kim Jong Un and the North Korean Big Brother has nothing on the American Big Brother. If DPRK is Big Brother, then USA is Big Daddy.
 

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Yes a living wage and the fed. min wage are two different things. What I am saying is, if you have a full-time job, it should be a living wage, including entry level jobs.
And I am saying that if your full time job is a cashier at McDonald's or Burger King or (in Bezos' case) Whole Foods, then something is wrong

Those are entry level positions for experience, it's pretty easy to make more than $15 an hour with just even a minimal skill set

Again yes the fed. min wage should be #15 an hour for a full time job, if its your career. The min wage for full time jobs should be a living wage.
But how do we determine that?

That is a personal preference of what you consider a career, that's a vague description

Are you saying that being a picker at Amazon should be considered a career? You do know what the entry level jobs are at Amazon, right?

If you are working a part time job as a kid in HS or college, then no it does not have to be $15 an your, it should be more like $12 which is what it would be if it kept up with inflation.
So you are saying that there should be two minimum wages?

And what about high school dropouts... whee would they fall into this category?

This is why I support no minimum wage, find a job, and negotiate your worth, should be easy to do, all minimum wage does is give people a barometer for failure


Which a huge percent of the country agrees with. I answered the question a few times in my last two comments in this new post, I will just refer back to that.
Yes, because the majority of the country don't want to do the work necessary to get out of it.

It sounds like a great plan on paper, because the people who are struggling love to think more money solves their problems.

It isn't news to say the majority of people want more stuff for nothing

if you work full time at walmart it should be at least $15 if you are part time then $12, No one in the country should make less than $12 even at McD or Walmart.
Not sure this will cause issues where these companies just won't make people full time to save from paying $15 to full time but they do that shit anyways to not pay insurance.
Well, you kind of just answered your own rebuttal there


You seem to not be understanding, that I think very lowly of someone

What that makes you not a very nice person. As for people doing things the right way they shouldnt be working entry level jobs , that is just bullshit. Somethings they have to settle for that to have a job again because of a layoff or some other stuff. Its pretty said you would even say shit like that
I am a very nice person. I give what I can, and donate, and give my time to others.

That doesn't mean I can't want better for someone, we should all strive to be the best version of ourselves, that means looking in the mirror and acknowledging our faults.

Not expecting more handouts... remember the adage about giving a man a fish and teaching him

It's nice to give, its more effective to teach

Also, I hve been laid off before, if you do things the right way (not blow money, you know focusing on what you keep instead of what you earn) you should have the ability to live for a few months without work

Then if you have the right skill set, you should be able to find a job. Especially with unemployment at your disposal.

Even then there are so many jobs you can do that dont require skills (Uber, Lyft, Instacart) that is a shitty excuse as well.

I had a friend who made $1500 a week doing Uber, he had to work 12 hours a day to do it. He didn't need to go to McDonald's because he lost his job.

You are the not nice person, because you want people to stay complacent, and just give them things, how is that helping?


Of course you wont waste your time because my point refuted your BS about prime having to go up since amazon will be payign more. The whole point of the Trump tax cuts was so companies like Amazon can pay their workers more.
What point? I don't remember bringing Trump into this.

I have been pretty consistent in saying that a $15 minimum wage is stupid, I would prefer to have none, but $10 works for me


Just more bullshit from you. You live in a fantays world, you really should try living in reality
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Ha you are the one living in a world where everyone is spending money and the economy is booming because we gave them more money.

And you say I live in a fantasy world?

You want two types of minimum wages, and you think it is acceptable for grown people to work a full time job at McDonald's

Yeah, dude I will stay in my reality, it's a lot nicer here.

The only one making dumb comments here is you like your last paragraph.
Testy aren't we.

I really just have one question:

Do you think a person raising a family should be making the minimum wage?
 

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Sadly you're mistaken.

Big Brother made it illegal for their propaganda to be blocked well in advance.


Kim Jong Un and the North Korean Big Brother has nothing on the American Big Brother. If DPRK is Big Brother, then USA is Big Daddy.
Oh that sucks, i thought shuttiing off the govt alerts would do the trick
 

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Yeah its a joke they are even allowing this. how long before Trump abuses it.

I give it a month
FEMA is acting like there are laws preventing it from being abused.

:lmao

Like they've been preparing/planning this since prior to 2006 and they're not going to try to normalize it.
 

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Gonna go ahead and say there will be nothing political or remotely "dystopian" about any presidential alerts that get sent out.
 
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