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1. Fave match Ric Flair was involved in?

2. Who do you think he had the best chemistry with?

3. Fave memory of all time in regards to Flair?

4. Thoughts on his promo and in ring ability?

5. Where is Ric Flair on your GOAT list..Discuss

 

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This is the first time I ever saw Ric Flair. I was at my uncles house and I looked at the TV and this very video was playing


1. The trilogy with Steamboat in 89 Clash of Champions was my favorite, Bash 90 with Sting, Starrcade 83 with Harley Race, I Quit vs Terry Funk, Starrcade 93 with Vader, Clash of Champions 1 with Sting.

2. Chemistry on the mic-Dusty Rhodes. In the ring- Steamboat. All around Sting. Partner-Arn Anderson

3. The run in at the end of the Funk match at GAB89,

4. Promos- Flair was gold on the mic. He epitomized the wrestling lifestyle and brought it to the screen like no other. He made every match feel big and made every opponent feel like a serious threat. He made you want to see that belt come off of him so bad. I enjoyed his face work with Sting, but he was always in his own as a heel. In ring- No one has put on more classic matches with more opponents than Flair. His was the master of simplicity, yet could keep you interest for 60 minutes. He made every opponent that he stepped into the ring with better.

5.From an all around perspective, which includes booking, Flair was, IMO, the greatest heel ever. He has more classic matches than anyone, and I put him top 10 in ring based on that. His moveset was pretty basic. On the mic he is also top 10 and is a top 5 draw. With all aspect taken into consideration he is Top 5 GOAT
 
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I'll keep this relatively short because it's either that or I ramble on for hours.

1. Fave match Ric Flair was involved in?

vs. Ricky Steamboat- Wrestle War 1989

2. Who do you think he had the best chemistry with?

Probably Steamboat. I only say 'probably' because Flair had great chemistry with like 98% of the dudes he faced. It's hard to pick a 'wrong' answer.

3. Fave memory of all time in regards to Flair?

Coming back to WWF in 2001. Just because of the circumstances. I was working a restaurant job at the time. My friend, who knew I was a Flair fanatic, called the restaurant to tell me Flair was on Raw. I wasted no time in switching the TV over to Raw in order to see my hero return. Since Mondays were slow, switching over to Raw at 9:00 became a thing after this.

4. Thoughts on his promo and in ring ability?

Great on promos. He did funny and serious equally well. Easy Top 10 talker of all time. Probably Top 5.

The best ever in the ring. Nobody tops Flair when it comes to sheer volume of matches I really dig.

5. Where is Ric Flair on your GOAT list..Discuss

#1. Nobody entertained me more, or for a longer period of time, than 'The Nature Boy.' WOOOOOO!
 

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I'll keep this relatively short because it's either that or I ramble on for hours.
Ramble away, man. I know you can do a top 10 Flair matches without even having to stop to think about it.

What an introduction! Greatest hype video ever. That video also made me a Europe fan for life.
I looked for this video for years. Words can't describe the joy I felt when I found it.
 

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1. I actually enjoyed his match with Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 8, and also his one against Mr Perfect on Raw, for the loser leaves the WWF match and I LOVED his I Quit match against Foley at Summerslam 2007.

2. Probably Steamboat, as mentioned above, however Flair could usually work any match really, I also thought his I Quit Match with Foley was absolutely spot on!!!!

3. When he came into the WWF, alongside Bobby Heenan with the world title, which of course they blurred out lol

4. I think he's great on promo's, he really got into them didn't he lol, in ring ability is also really good, he would often over sell (you know the famous fall he'd do lol), but it worked and made great entertainment so it was good, he was also good at taking bumps too I think.

5. Difficult to say, I'm not Flairs biggest fan but I like him and his work, on a personal level I'd probably put him lower than a lot of other talents, but I know on a professional level he actually is, very much high up there on the list.
 

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he would often over sell (you know the famous fall he'd do lol), but it worked and made great entertainment so it was good, he was also good at taking bumps too I think.
I used to look forward to the famous fall in his matches. Also when he would flip over the rope and land on his feet on the apron and run to the other post and almost always get slammed off the top rope. He was also the most creative worker ever when it came to different ways to use the ropes for leverage.
 

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The only thing better than one Flair Flop is two Flair Flops. Wrestling would be better if more people did Flair Flops.
 

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Best wrestler of all time when taken into account quality of matches, promo ability, entertainment, character, and longevity. Flair never became boring for me and even in WCW's dying days was one of the few bright spots.

Never as marketable as Hogan or The Rock, but certainly as entertaining.
 

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1. Fave match Ric Flair was involved in?

2. Who do you think he had the best chemistry with?

3. Fave memory of all time in regards to Flair?

4. Thoughts on his promo and in ring ability?

5. Where is Ric Flair on your GOAT list..Discuss

1. Fav match is Royal Rumble 1992 and against Sting (Forgot which one)

2. Best chemistry with Sting, Rhodes and Steamboat

3. Post royal Rumble Victory with Heenan and Perfect, and the road to WM 8 with his segments

4. As for promo, he is on top, in his prime he is as good as The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, CM Punk and Dusty Rhodes on the mike when they where in their prime.

5. On a purely wrestling basis, he is THE man and the GOAT heel. He is the blue print of how a wrestler is (Despite stealing the gimmick from Buddy Rogers). Only wrestler to ocmpete with him for this spot is HBK.

But when it comes to mainstream appeal as well, he is easilly surpassed by Hogan, Austin, Andre, Taker, HBK, Cena, Rock, HHH and a few otehrs which slips my mind atm


It is just too bad he still is active and embaresses himself. He should have saved up money and retired like in 2003-2004. Same with Hogan for that matter.
 

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1. Ric Flair vs. Big Van Vader from Starrcade 1993
2. His best matches were with Ricky Steamboat, so i guess i'll say him.
3. His match with the Undertaker at WrestleMania 18, probably because i was there live for that. It was a great match
4. His promos were always entertaining, i always thought his ring skills was a bit overrated.
5. I'd rank Flair 5th on my GOAT list, behind Andre the Giant, Austin, Hogan and Angle
 

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1. Ric Flair vs. Big Van Vader from Starrcade 1993
2. His best matches were with Ricky Steamboat, so i guess i'll say him.
3. His match with the Undertaker at WrestleMania 18, probably because i was there live for that. It was a great match
4. His promos were always entertaining, i always thought his ring skills was a bit overrated.
5. I'd rank Flair 5th on my GOAT list, behind Andre the Giant, Austin, Hogan and Angle
The Vader match was really special to me. They did a great job of building Vader up as an invincible opponent and you really had the feeling that it may be over for Flair. Flair's best face work on the mic, IMO. The promo in the limo before the match was awesome. It is definitely a top 10 all time moments for me when Flair won.
 

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Bret Hart would give him 4/10.

Man, Bret really hate Flair according to his book, claiming that Flair is a really bad wrestler. Well, he's wrong IMO. Flair is one of the GOATs, second only to HBK.
 

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Ric Flair is a carbon copy of Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. While wrestlers will borrow gimmicks and parts of the persona of other wrestlers from time to time, Flair stole Rogers' entire persona and repertoire lock, stock and barrel.

The "Nature Boy" title, the Figure Four Leg Lock, the strut, the blond hair, the overall Rogers' wrestling style (including selling the receiving end of a body slam) were plagiarized by Flair who was a Buddy Rogers fan when he was a kid. The only thing Flair invented himself was the "Wooo" scream that he would do.

As I've mentioned in a previous post, Rogers did not seem perturbed by this and actually helped advance Flair's career by putting him over in the "Battle of the Nature Boys" - 60+ years old Rogers vs. 30 year old Flair!!!

I suppose Flair served a purpose by giving you all a chance to see an imitation of the first "Nature Boy" and one of the most influential wrestlers in NWA and WWE history - NATURE BOY BUDDY ROGERS.

Just as an FYI piece of trivia, by the way he applies the Figure Four Leg Lock you can tell Flair is a "lefty" (southpaw). He crosses the victim's left leg over the right, and uses his left leg to anchor the hold and apply pressure. A "righty," like Rogers, crosses the right leg over the left.

- Mike

THE NATURE BOYS - ROGERS & FLAIR


A BLOODY ROGERS PUTS OVER FLAIR IN THE BATTLE OF THE NATURE BOYS


ROGERS APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)


FLAIR APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)
 

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The Greatest Professional Wrestler who ever lived this man is

He is my 2nd favorite of all time behind HBK

Best talker, character ,and arguably the greatest in-ring, he is Pro-wrestling
 

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Ric Flair is a carbon copy of Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. While wrestlers will borrow gimmicks and parts of the persona of other wrestlers from time to time, Flair stole Rogers' entire persona and repertoire lock, stock and barrel.

The "Nature Boy" title, the Figure Four Leg Lock, the strut, the blond hair, the overall Rogers' wrestling style (including selling the receiving end of a body slam) were plagiarized by Flair who was a Buddy Rogers fan when he was a kid. The only thing Flair invented himself was the "Wooo" scream that he would do.

As I've mentioned in a previous post, Rogers did not seem perturbed by this and actually helped advance Flair's career by putting him over in the "Battle of the Nature Boys" - 60+ years old Rogers vs. 30 year old Flair!!!

I suppose Flair served a purpose by giving you all a chance to see an imitation of the first "Nature Boy" and one of the most influential wrestlers in NWA and WWE history - NATURE BOY BUDDY ROGERS.

Just as an FYI piece of trivia, by the way he applies the Figure Four Leg Lock you can tell Flair is a "lefty" (southpaw). He crosses the victim's left leg over the right, and uses his left leg to anchor the hold and apply pressure. A "righty," like Rogers, crosses the right leg over the left.

- Mike

THE NATURE BOYS - ROGERS & FLAIR


A BLOODY ROGERS PUTS OVER FLAIR IN THE BATTLE OF THE NATURE BOYS


ROGERS APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)


FLAIR APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)
I chose not to discuss this aspect as I felt that the topic belonged to you. I was hoping you would post this. Thanks. If wrestlers today had the class Buddy had the industry would be much better. For him to put Flair over the way he did was one of the most unselfish acts in wrestling history.
 

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The Greatest of all time.

I'd love to see someone today go from territory to territory on an every night basis and work 60 minute matches with that territories #1 contender and make that guy into a believable threat for the title, and do that almost everyday of the year, twice on Saturdays and Sundays.
 

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Ric Flair is a carbon copy of Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. While wrestlers will borrow gimmicks and parts of the persona of other wrestlers from time to time, Flair stole Rogers' entire persona and repertoire lock, stock and barrel.

The "Nature Boy" title, the Figure Four Leg Lock, the strut, the blond hair, the overall Rogers' wrestling style (including selling the receiving end of a body slam) were plagiarized by Flair who was a Buddy Rogers fan when he was a kid. The only thing Flair invented himself was the "Wooo" scream that he would do.

As I've mentioned in a previous post, Rogers did not seem perturbed by this and actually helped advance Flair's career by putting him over in the "Battle of the Nature Boys" - 60+ years old Rogers vs. 30 year old Flair!!!

I suppose Flair served a purpose by giving you all a chance to see an imitation of the first "Nature Boy" and one of the most influential wrestlers in NWA and WWE history - NATURE BOY BUDDY ROGERS.

Just as an FYI piece of trivia, by the way he applies the Figure Four Leg Lock you can tell Flair is a "lefty" (southpaw). He crosses the victim's left leg over the right, and uses his left leg to anchor the hold and apply pressure. A "righty," like Rogers, crosses the right leg over the left.

- Mike

THE NATURE BOYS - ROGERS & FLAIR


A BLOODY ROGERS PUTS OVER FLAIR IN THE BATTLE OF THE NATURE BOYS


ROGERS APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)


FLAIR APPLIES FIGURE FOUR (NOTICE LEG POSITION OF VICTIM)
So?

Hogan stole lots of things from Billy Graham, Stone Cold stole lots of things from Bad News Brown and Sandman, The Giant stole the giant gimmick from Andre, Damen Sandow stole his gimmick from the Genius...

Bottom line is that -It doesnt matter if you steal it or come up with new stuff, as long as you get over.Flair did and became a bigger star than Rogers ever was
 

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1. I'm kind of split between the I Quit match with Terry Funk and Starrcade '93 with Vader. I didn't see the I Quit match until over 10 years after it happened and even in '89, seemed to be a match that would have been just as good had it taken place recently. Starrcade '93, however, I saw shortly after it was released on VHS and just the backstory of Flair's career being on the line and his performance make that match one of my favorites. The 2 matches I'll point to is someone says Flair worked the same match every night.

2. Ricky Steamboat. These guys pretty much faced off over the course of 3 decades, which provides the ability to be perfectly comfortable working with one another. Not to mention, their 3 matches from 1989 received 5 star ratings and I also feel their final match with one another in 1994 on WCW Saturday Night should be up there as well.

3. My favorite memory is the night Arn Anderson introduced the Horsemen, with Dean Malenko as the newest member and says he almost forgot the 4th Horsemen, Ric Flair. And Flair comes out and cuts that "abuse of power" promo on Bischoff. Oh man, I remember my heart beating so fast as a kid when Flair came out and you could see the emotion, as Flair was near tears that night.

4. I loved his promos. They fit him perfectly. A loud, obnoxious guy that touted himself as the best and could back it up. A lot of wrestlers promos today aren't as overly cocky as Flair's was. He bragged about every facet of his life, which was actually true. He acted as a champion and lived his life as a champion and made no hesitation to let fans know anytime he was on the microphone.

As for in ring ability, many say Flair wrestles the same match every night. Not hardly. Everybody has their signature moves but not every wrestler tells a story in that ring. Flair made his matches mean something and I'd say all the way up until 1996, Flair would work nearly every match as if it was a PPV main event. He was a master in the ring that could manipulate the referee, allowing him to do something heinous, earning him the title of "dirtiest player in the game". The fact that he could constantly go out there in the late 80s and wrestle in excess of 30 minutes night in and night out means a lot. And he was able to do that with everybody, from seasoned veterans like Steamboat & Funk to a borderline newcomer Sting to a green as green can get Luger to 450 pound powerhouse like Vader and everybody in between. Bret Hart is probably the only other guy that could maintain quality matches with such a variety of talent, with various size and skill levels.

5. I'd put him in my top 10, maybe even around 5 or 6. No matter the reason he stayed on top or any of the backstage shit, that guy was one of the best workers this business will ever see. Flair was the reason WCW lasted as long as it did, as he carried that company for 3 years, not counting his hardwork in JCP in the 7 years prior to them selling. He was WCW's answer to Hogan and a guy that defined what a champion should be.
 
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