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It has not been overblown. I have read and searched through all kinds of data and statistics and if anything can be said, it's that the numbers are much higher than currently available. Do you believe India's numbers? A country with over 1.3 billion people and just 17,000 deaths? How about Brazil? They have been decimated beyond all comprehension in only about 5 weeks with 1.4 million cases and 60,000 deaths. Search for the videos of tractors digging hundreds and hundreds of mass graves. Look how quickly it spread throughout Italy. It went from zero to infinity in just a week. Of course we can't forget where this virus originated, China. More specifically it's epicenter, Wuhan Province, with a population of 12 million. Once the government couldn't control it any longer, Wuhan went into lock-down. Days later, a large part of the country was put into lock-down, bringing that total to about 49 million. It was too little, too late by that point. Travel restrictions, citizen lock-down, closed business', etc. What they failed to do, was keeping the population of China, in China, during the start of the Lunar New Year. That's why it had spread so fast around the world. Those unsuspecting countries had people who were sick and dying, but Doctor's and Scientists had no idea what they were potentially dealing with

Since the first CV-19 case was reported in China this past March, they have had 84,000 cases and 4,700 deaths, in a country of 1.4 billion people. The death toll number has not changed since late April, early May. There is zero credibility to any propaganda that China puts out disguised as information.
I’m not going to defend everything here, but seeing the news and speaking to my family and friends in the UK and USA, people don’t know what a lockdown is lol. We got locked the fuck down and I live nowhere near Wuhan. Whether you want to believe that or not, it certainly made a difference. There wasn’t any can go outside and exercise and social distancing in a park, it was stay in your fucking house for 2 months.
 

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I never understand people acting like public figures shouldn't have opinions.

Newsflash: they're human beings like the rest of us, not aliens awaiting their return to the mothership.

If you're afraid about them influencing others with their words, than the ones allowing themselves to be influenced need to learn how to think for themselves. That's not anyone else's problem.
I don’t know that anyone thinks public figures shouldn’t have opinions. I think people are simply responding to Owens’ opinion with opinions of their own. You don’t think Owens’ opinion is above reproach do you?
 

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I’m not going to defend everything here, but seeing the news and speaking to my family and friends in the UK and USA, people don’t know what a lockdown is lol. We got locked the fuck down and I live nowhere near Wuhan. Whether you want to believe that or not, it certainly made a difference. There wasn’t any can go outside and exercise and social distancing in a park, it was stay in your fucking house for 2 months.
If America tried to impose a "Stay in your house for two months, literally no one goes outside" type of thing there would be riots. Outside.

Shots being fired into the air, people screaming and shouting, huge groups gathering. Whole thing because "freedom".
 

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If America tried to impose a "Stay in your house for two months, literally no one goes outside" type of thing there would be riots. Outside.

Shots being fired into the air, people screaming and shouting, huge groups gathering. Whole thing because "freedom".
I understand that, I was just replying to why the numbers in China are lower. In my city we aren’t social distancing, majority of people aren’t wearing masks and the hospitals are not full of people sick and dying. I didn’t work or get paid for 3 months as schools were closed longer than everywhere else. I didnt enjoy it lol, but at the same time, at least for the moment, it is safe here and I’m not contributing to people getting sick or dying. I’m English, I would like to think I’m not on either side of the propaganda machine.
 

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How ironic, his boy Sami Zayn belittled himself for a decade plus by wearing a mask and ampering his personality.

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I am deeply troubled about the possible scenarios and outcomes of Americans celebrating July 4th, this weekend. We already know that most people won't be wearing masks, but that's going to be the least of people's fears. It will be the fire brigade, the rioters, the looters, the shooters and the killers. God help you all.
 

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Outright denying the obvious in front of you? :unsure:

For the record, I've seen at least 4 on here calling it a hoax. Trump himself called it a hoax publicly several times. Governers in America are calling it a hoax.
So you're outright denying the obvious in front of you? Not surprised.

Trump: During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax."

As for governers/others, I'll edit this post later when I get more than 5m to myself.

Can you not comprehend what you just posted? .... Not only that, you took that info from a site that 100% debunked the claim that you initially stated :ROFLMAO:

It's a 100% FACT that the POTUS was talking about the Democrats saying that he and the administration have done nothing in regard to taking actions such as closing flight travel to the U.S. & other steps to handle the Covid ..... THAT IS THE HOAX HE IS TALKING ABOUT. The hoax that the administration is ignoring the situation. NOT that the virus is not real or made up by the Democrats as you clearly attempted and FAILED to claim.

Case closed. You're wrong. NEXT.....

Take all the time you need on that Governor list. We'll wait......
 

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Can you not comprehend what you just posted? .... Not only that, you took that info from a site that 100% debunked the claim that you initially stated :ROFLMAO:

It's a 100% FACT that the POTUS was talking about the Democrats saying that he and the administration have done nothing in regard to taking actions such as closing flight travel to the U.S. & other steps to handle the Covid ..... THAT IS THE HOAX HE IS TALKING ABOUT. The hoax that the administration is ignoring the situation. NOT that the virus is not real or made up by the Democrats as you clearly attempted and FAILED to claim.

Case closed. You're wrong. NEXT.....

Take all the time you need on that Governor list. We'll wait......
I know that you're not that braindead. Trump is clearly talking about the virus itself in that, as well as many other public statements. He's gone on record saying that it's nothing more than the common flu, that it being a violent virus is a hoax made up by the democrats. I'm sure someone with an eighth-grade level education could easily read between the lines.
He failed to take action against the virus for months, simply because he didn't believe in it. Yes, he knew the virus was real, that's not the argument here. He genuinely thought, and publicly told everyone, that the pandemic levels of the virus was a hoax. That is clearly what people talk about when they say 'he called it a hoax'. You know that. Strawmanning doesn't make your argument valid.

As for governors, I'll just reply here instead of editing my post since you replied. I'm yet to find any direct outright 'THIS IS A HOAX' quotes, however:

Ron DeSantis of Florida outright refused to take action until April 1st, 4 months after the virus began. He was also, and I believe still is, spouting fake facts about the virus to make it seem less harmful than it actually is.

Brian Kemp of Georgia also didn't take action until April 1st. He also went on record saying this: "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Wednesday expressed his skepticism about the need for a statewide mask mandate and his reluctance to impose one, calling it an issue he feels is "overpoliticized."
Numbers for Georgia keep rising and all of a sudden he's started saying 'please wear a mask', as of roughly 7-10 days ago.

Gov. Tate Reeves of Mississippi didn't take action until April 1st either. Prior to that, he was outright refusing to comply with the recommendations by the Health Department, despite complaints from most of the mayors in his state, allowing people to go to restaurants, to go out, etc. despite the nationwide mandated "10 people max".

I'm not going to go down each governor one-by-one, as I don't have the time, but these three are the biggest republican offenders that I could find. They parrot Trump on a hell of a lot of things, including that the virus isn't 'that bad'.
 

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Now that the cases are on a rise. Especially the 22-40 age group. Weren’t anyone concern about it during the weeks of BLM protests?
 

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I know that you're not that braindead. Trump is clearly talking about the virus itself in that, as well as many other public statements. He's gone on record saying that it's nothing more than the common flu, that it being a violent virus is a hoax made up by the democrats. I'm sure someone with an eighth-grade level education could easily read between the lines.
He failed to take action against the virus for months, simply because he didn't believe in it. Yes, he knew the virus was real, that's not the argument here. He genuinely thought, and publicly told everyone, that the pandemic levels of the virus was a hoax. That is clearly what people talk about when they say 'he called it a hoax'. You know that. Strawmanning doesn't make your argument valid.

As for governors, I'll just reply here instead of editing my post since you replied. I'm yet to find any direct outright 'THIS IS A HOAX' quotes, however:

Ron DeSantis of Florida outright refused to take action until April 1st, 4 months after the virus began. He was also, and I believe still is, spouting fake facts about the virus to make it seem less harmful than it actually is.

Brian Kemp of Georgia also didn't take action until April 1st. He also went on record saying this: "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Wednesday expressed his skepticism about the need for a statewide mask mandate and his reluctance to impose one, calling it an issue he feels is "overpoliticized."
Numbers for Georgia keep rising and all of a sudden he's started saying 'please wear a mask', as of roughly 7-10 days ago.

Gov. Tate Reeves of Mississippi didn't take action until April 1st either. Prior to that, he was outright refusing to comply with the recommendations by the Health Department, despite complaints from most of the mayors in his state, allowing people to go to restaurants, to go out, etc. despite the nationwide mandated "10 people max".

I'm not going to go down each governor one-by-one, as I don't have the time, but these three are the biggest republican offenders that I could find. They parrot Trump on a hell of a lot of things, including that the virus isn't 'that bad'.
First off, we see the made up lies and misrepresentation continues. You completely lost the argument and was proven wrong, so you start up more false info about the President of The United States. A complete gross misrepresentation of the facts. We don't have to read in between the lines. The President was crystal clear. He was 100% NOT talking about the virus itself. No matter how much you want to spin it and make imaginary things up. You're wrong. CASE CLOSED

As for the Governors. Again. You couldn't find one single Governor stating the virus was a hoax as you so proudly claimed. Governors specific ways of handling of the virus is irrelevant to your claim that they said it's a hoax. Not one said it. They may have had disagreements on how the virus spreads, who is likely to get it, conflict on when to open, what to close, how many people in gatherings, etc... But nobody said the virus doesn't exit. You were proven incorrect. CASE CLOSED.

Might I suggest sticking to your own country politics instead. Maybe there you would have a better handle on facts. Notice how I say nothing about where you live. Why? Because I don't sit here claiming to be an expert on other peoples countries, and who said or didn't say what. Have a nice day.
 

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I understand that, I was just replying to why the numbers in China are lower. In my city we aren’t social distancing, majority of people aren’t wearing masks and the hospitals are not full of people sick and dying. I didn’t work or get paid for 3 months as schools were closed longer than everywhere else. I didnt enjoy it lol, but at the same time, at least for the moment, it is safe here and I’m not contributing to people getting sick or dying. I’m English, I would like to think I’m not on either side of the propaganda machine.
You should see my situation. I've got these dumb fuck neighbors who throw parties every weekend with loud ass music, tons of people over, no one wearing masks, and it goes on for hours.

July 4th is this Saturday.
 

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You should see my situation. I've got these dumb fuck neighbors who throw parties every weekend with loud ass music, tons of people over, no one wearing masks, and it goes on for hours.

July 4th is this Saturday.
Nobody trusts the government. Nobody trusts the police. And nobody trusts the news media. They have to be personally affected by covid19 or see someone affected to actually trust the severity of the virus. Since hundreds of thousands have died, there is still a percentage of the population not taking it seriously. Until they get it or their elders get it. And it will be too late.
 

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Nobody trusts the government. Nobody trusts the police. And nobody trusts the news media. They have to be personally affected by covid19 or see someone affected to actually trust the severity of the virus. Since hundreds of thousands have died, there is still a percentage of the population not taking it seriously. Until they get it or their elders get it. And it will be too late.
I ride home with a coworker and she tells me that people have died from WEARING masks because they didn't get enough air.

I tried to explain to her that that is nonsense, whoever told her that wants her to believe that BS, and that if masks really did deprive people of that much breathable air, why haven't doctors been getting fucked up left and right throughout history?

"Their masks are not the same as the ones we use at work"

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At least she wears a mask while working(mandatory, we are essential).
 

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First off, we see the made up lies and misrepresentation continues. You completely lost the argument and was proven wrong, so you start up more false info about the President of The United States. A complete gross misrepresentation of the facts. We don't have to read in between the lines. The President was crystal clear. He was 100% NOT talking about the virus itself. No matter how much you want to spin it and make imaginary things up. You're wrong. CASE CLOSED

As for the Governors. Again. You couldn't find one single Governor stating the virus was a hoax as you so proudly claimed. Governors specific ways of handling of the virus is irrelevant to your claim that they said it's a hoax. Not one said it. They may have had disagreements on how the virus spreads, who is likely to get it, conflict on when to open, what to close, how many people in gatherings, etc... But nobody said the virus doesn't exit. You were proven incorrect. CASE CLOSED.

Might I suggest sticking to your own country politics instead. Maybe there you would have a better handle on facts. Notice how I say nothing about where you live. Why? Because I don't sit here claiming to be an expert on other peoples countries, and who said or didn't say what. Have a nice day.
Again, I know you're not that thickheaded.
Trump has gone back on almost every single claim he has made about the virus, to the point where he is now saying they're all doing great jobs and taking it seriously, which is another false statement mind you. They're politicians, they're smart enough to not outright say what they mean, but again, if you have an eighth-grade level education, then you can easily read between the lines to what they mean. For example, the whole "two plus two equals four" that was used during the trials.
Not once did I say Trump was"100% talking about the virus". No one believes that. I figured you were able to get that, but you're either being maliciously bad faith or you're actually that oblivious to how the English language and political socialising works. I'm going with the bad faith.

I found governers parroting Trump, something that I said in my post. Know what Trump said? That it's a hoax, that the virus isn't dangerous, that it's a ploy to distract others and get him out of office. The Republican governors, which if I'm not mistaken is most of them, have all agreed with these at one point or another.

Strawmanning doesn't win your arguments. It just shows that you can't, and won't, actually debate. There's a reason using a strawman is considered as the lowest of the low.
 

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That's Lolbertarianism for you.
Exactly what I was thinking, but how far do those people take their “civil liberties” opinions? I mean, do they think I should be able to walk around with my dick hanging out if I want to/do they thinking being required to wear clothes is “an attack on freedoms”? What about not being able to smoke in restaurants anymore to help protect the health of others?
 

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Exactly what I was thinking, but how far do those people take their “civil liberties” opinions? I mean, do they think I should be able to walk around with my dick hanging out if I want to/do they thinking being required to wear clothes is “an attack on freedoms”? What about not being able to smoke in restaurants anymore to help protect the health of others?
Why do you think racists, gun nutters, nudists and pedophiles lean on libertarianism? It's all about abolishing whatever enforces the law, and those are cops and governments.
 
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