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I mean his newsletter and ratings system are really useless to the wrestling business in the grand scheme of things. But the fact he's made a decades long career off giving his opinion and giving 2nd hand information to nosey fans is amazing.
I think his schtick became more about opinions in the last decade and a half. His pieces from 80's and 90's are still the best source information about the history of the business around the world. He was the man sharing the info back then. The work he was putting covering every single noteworthy place in the business is praise worthy. Things have changed drastically though.
 

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you don't seem to know a lot about what meltzer does or how he functions. if you think he just comes out there and just shit out his opinion that's sad



and in fact his newsletter and his ratings are not even the biggest part of his business or what he does. the work of documentation necessary to produce the content is enormous, the house shows, the numbers I mean o won't explain it to you since google exist.



but if you really think he makes his money by rating matches and throwing away random information then you are naive
And yet what actual merit is that to the wrestling business? Is Meltzer keeping records actually making the wrestling business money or moving it forward? What you're saying doesn't really show his importance to the business. He can be a hard worker and knowledgeable and still be of no real use to the actual business of wrestling.
 

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jim cornette thinks that interactive entertainment and the people that advocate it are inheritly inferior, he is off the list
 

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I think his schtick became more about opinions in the last decade and a half. His pieces from 80's and 90's are still the best source information about the history of the business around the world. He was the man sharing the info back then. The work he was putting back then covering every single noteworthy place in the business back then is praise worthy. Things have changed drastically though.
I get that, it still doesn't change my opinion on his place in the business. It's non-essential if he didn't exist I don't see the business being in some totally different place.
 

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We really need a come to Jesus moment on Dave Meltzer because the guy DOES NOT report his opinion as facts - people on the internet do. He's a blogger and a journalist who does a lot of commentary and opinion pieces. If people take his thoughts and make threads about them where THEY claim to be facts, that's not his fault

Especially since on the rare occasions where he does say he has actual real sources, Meltzer is usually correct. He's spoiled MULTIPLE events this year that nobody saw coming. Yet people still go after his editorials as if he's calling those facts - he doesn't

And yet what actual merit is that to the wrestling business? Is Meltzer keeping records actually making the wrestling business money or moving it forward? What you're saying doesn't really show his importance to the business. He can be a hard worker and knowledgeable and still be of no real use to the actual business of wrestling.
What are you talking about? What kind of economics is this lol. He makes enough money for his business to justify its utility to others. He doesn't have a responsibility to wrestling as a whole. He's a fan who enough people enjoy listening to. There's a market for what he's doing, that's called business
 

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We really need a come to Jesus moment on Dave Meltzer because the guy DOES NOT report his opinion as facts - people on the internet do. He's a blogger and a journalist who does a lot of commentary and opinion pieces. If people take his thoughts and make threads about them where THEY claim to be facts, that's not his fault

Especially since on the rare occasions where he does say he has actual real sources, Meltzer is usually correct. He's spoiled MULTIPLE events this year that nobody saw coming. Yet people still go after his editorials as if he's calling those facts - he doesn't



What are you talking about? What kind of economics is this lol. He makes enough money for his business to justify its utility to others. He doesn't have a responsibility to wrestling as a whole. He's a fan who enough people enjoy listening to. There's a market for what he's doing, that's called business


only problem i have with meltzer is that his criteria for a 5 star match has greatly decreased over the years. the inflation of the rating system makes a 5 star match matter less than it once did.
 

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Especially since on the rare occasions where he does say he has actual real sources, Meltzer is usually correct.
Not really. It looks like that, because he tells a lot of things, which are common knowledge anyway. Therefore, his wrong stuff (Harper is done) seems to be a minority.
 

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What are you talking about? What kind of economics is this lol. He makes enough money for his business to justify its utility to others. He doesn't have a responsibility to wrestling as a whole. He's a fan who enough people enjoy listening to. There's a market for what he's doing, that's called business
What I'm talking about is very simple. The fact that he's made so much money off of wrestling, while not actually being in the business is amazing. The fact he has no 1st hand experience in the wrestling business, yet has made a name for himself is amazing to me. He's so unessential to the business, yet so unavoidable it's damn near baffling.
 

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At least I can listen to Cornette talk. Meltzer can't even finish a thought without stuttering into another one. It's impossible to listen to that guy speak, I don't know how some people can listen to his podcast.
 

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I mean.... Dave Meltzer ain’t shit either

There are people on this forum whose opinion I put higher than both of those bums

Including my own opinion

It is what it is
 

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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
 

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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
Who expects that? In the 'old days' wrestling was exactly like that. You went out and had to get over. You didn't start out over. And whether you do or not determines your success. That certainly appears to be how AEW is doing it.

The promotion can't come out and get you over for you. The performer has to get over.

Did Bret or Austin or Rock get huge cheers when they first started their character arcs?
 

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In the ‘old days’ there was hardly promos and never video packages

Sink or swim
 

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I wonder if Cornette being involved with NWA has anything to do with his opinion that studio wrestling is synonymous with old school.
 

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We really need a come to Jesus moment on Dave Meltzer because the guy DOES NOT report his opinion as facts - people on the internet do. He's a blogger and a journalist who does a lot of commentary and opinion pieces. If people take his thoughts and make threads about them where THEY claim to be facts, that's not his fault

Especially since on the rare occasions where he does say he has actual real sources, Meltzer is usually correct. He's spoiled MULTIPLE events this year that nobody saw coming. Yet people still go after his editorials as if he's calling those facts - he doesn't
So much this. While he does have plenty of legitimate sources and does have actual news, people need to remember a lot of the things he says are either his own speculation off of a little information he heard (and if you go by Meltzer directly instead of second hand reporting he makes it very clear he's just trying to speculate) and a lot of reviews but people seem to misunderstand and think everything he says is being presented as facts when that's not the case. There is a huge gap between him saying he's heard plans from multiple people within a company or heard reports about someone being signed somewhere as opposed to "Someone within the company told me something kind of vague related to this topic, this is my assumption of what that means but this is just my thoughts rather than actual facts."

I like listening to Cornette's rants.

I don't always agree with him and most of the time, he sounds like an old man yelling at the sky, but he's fun.
 

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Jim Cornette has a brilliant mind for creative and has contributed a lot of memorable angles to the WWF/E that are still being talked about to this day. In fact, Kane's perfect debut was all Cornette. Now, he had some stinkers too, but facts are facts, his batting average is very much on the positive. Cornette tends to be very opinionated sometimes and that puts off certain fans from taking him seriously, but this work more than speaks for itself.

I don't think people realize Meltzer's contributions to the wrestling business or his impact on it. He's the only wrestling journalist or "gossip columnist" as some people like to call him who has produced consistently true analytics and metrics on wrestling shows (WWE, WCW, TNA, AEW and more). So much so that even influential people like Vince and Bischoff/Turner took him seriously, and in fact used information that he was selling. He was the only one who spoke the truth about the wrestling organization's steroid use while McMahon was doing anything and everything to keep everyone quiet (promise of jobs, money, etc). He reported the truth on the Montreal incident which was corroborated by what was happening during the Owen Hart death litigations. He also exposed Vince's, Triple HGH's, Bischoff's, Russo's, Heyman's and Prichard's lies on multiple occasions.

Contrary to popular belief, Meltzer has a good mind for the wrestling business too. In fact, he would be a better creative guy than the guy currently in charge of creative, Triple HGH.

The dividing line between Meltzer and Cornette is that Meltzer is far more contemporary than Cornette. Cornette is still stuck in the old ways of wrestling and doesn't quite understand the millennial generation as it pertains to pro wrestling.
 

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Cornette may be very old school but he knows the business and has some very good points about AEW. Especially about how AEW just throws indie wrestlers out there and just expects fans to know or care who they are.
You know the famous line that Dusty told Arn Anderson when he first met him right?.

"Go get Over". Applies to today's wrestling.
 
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