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Lol I mean it depends on how you look at it. Hardcore MMA fans by and large have these feelings

1. Dana White only focuses on promoting guys/girls he likes based on looks or trash talking. They hate that instead of building new stars Dana only focuses on his choose few. Something like Nate Diaz selling so many PPVs with Conor McGregor was the IFC fan equivalent to Daniel Bryan. For years Dana dismissed Nate as a draw then he goes and helps make the biggest UFC PPV ever

2. They think the product has been watered down over the years with the sheer number of cards produced

3. They think the titles are becoming devalued when the company are creating interim titles for no reason and giving title shots to folk who don't deserve it on sporting matter.

4. Most feel like most divisions are shallow besides Women's 115, Men's 135, 155, 170, and 185.

5. They hate that the UFC has started the bad habit of letting top 10 guys fall to Bellator just because such as Rory MacDonald, Ryan Bader, Phil Davis, Lorenz Larkin's.

6. Hell both have inexplicably got a massive new TV contract despite declining ratings

If you watch both you get a mixed bag of good shows and bad shows. You see a leader with clear favorites. It's clear that talent doesn't mean as much as other things which is even more glaring since MMA actually is a sport. It's a thing of grass is greener on the other side.
 

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Of course

WWE and yet you cant say "Wrestling" its Sports entertainment

UFC has that legitimacy, we know Wrestling is pre-determined but WWE is presented as a fantasy soap opera for the gullible, stupid and sexually frustrated , frankly embarrassing
 

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Lol I mean it depends on how you look at it. Hardcore MMA fans by and large have these feelings

1. Dana White only focuses on promoting guys/girls he likes based on looks or trash talking. They hate that instead of building new stars Dana only focuses on his choose few. Something like Nate Diaz selling so many PPVs with Conor McGregor was the IFC fan equivalent to Daniel Bryan. For years Dana dismissed Nate as a draw then he goes and helps make the biggest UFC PPV ever

2. They think the product has been watered down over the years with the sheer number of cards produced

3. They think the titles are becoming devalued when the company are creating interim titles for no reason and giving title shots to folk who don't deserve it on sporting matter.

4. Most feel like most divisions are shallow besides Women's 115, Men's 135, 155, 170, and 185.

5. They hate that the UFC has started the bad habit of letting top 10 guys fall to Bellator just because such as Rory MacDonald, Ryan Bader, Phil Davis, Lorenz Larkin's.

6. Hell both have inexplicably got a massive new TV contract despite declining ratings

If you watch both you get a mixed bag of good shows and bad shows. You see a leader with clear favorites. It's clear that talent doesn't mean as much as other things which is even more glaring since MMA actually is a sport. It's a thing of grass is greener on the other side.
Dana White is far from a perfect leader, but at the very least, his chosen ones are fighters that can actually draw massive interest in the sport, and if they can't do so, he gives up on them.

Your point about Nate Diaz is a strange one. Nate Diaz did big numbers because he was opposite McGregor. You could have McGregor fighting a broom, and that would still do huge numbers. Poirier vs Diaz will not sell the MSG card - they'll need a big main event.
 

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Dana White is far from a perfect leader, but at the very least, his chosen ones are fighters that can actually draw massive interest in the sport, and if they can't do so, he gives up on them.

Your point about Nate Diaz is a strange one. Nate Diaz did big numbers because he was opposite McGregor. You could have McGregor fighting a broom, and that would still do huge numbers. Poirier vs Diaz will not sell the MSG card - they'll need a big main event.
Exactly. Vince's biggest problem as a promoter is that he has a singular vision of what WWE should be and will push that regardless of fan interest. If WWE wasn't in dire straights in the mid 90s, he would have stuck with the New Generation formula rather than change to the Attitude Era.
 

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Yes UFC is much superior as evidenced by the fact that WWE has a raging hard-on for the UFC. They never mention any other promotion during their shows but love to mention UFC a 100 times. Vince thinks its cool to associate themselves with the UFC
 

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Dana White is far from a perfect leader, but at the very least, his chosen ones are fighters that can actually draw massive interest in the sport, and if they can't do so, he gives up on them.

Your point about Nate Diaz is a strange one. Nate Diaz did big numbers because he was opposite McGregor. You could have McGregor fighting a broom, and that would still do huge numbers. Poirier vs Diaz will not sell the MSG card - they'll need a big main event.
Go to any MMA site and look at the comments and tell me fans there don't get upset about how favored Ronda and Conor were. Tell me they didn't get upset they didn't spend more time promoting Amanda Nunes during her fight with Ronda. Tell me they didn't feel some type of way about the Sage and Paige push. That's not even getting into folk feeling they never really tried to promote Mighty Mouse, Nunes, Stipe, and others.

While I'll agree Conor definitely was the biggest reason but go to any MMA site when the buyrates for 196 and 202 came out and tell me the comment section doesn't have plenty of "but Dana said Diaz doesn't move numbers lol" vibes.

For me I'm just saying for the most part both fan bases have the same complaints when it comes to the die hard fans
 

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Go to any MMA site and look at the comments and tell me fans there don't get upset about how favored Ronda and Conor were. Tell me they didn't get upset they didn't spend more time promoting Amanda Nunes during her fight with Ronda. Tell me they didn't feel some type of way about the Sage and Paige push. That's not even getting into folk feeling they never really tried to promote Mighty Mouse, Nunes, Stipe, and others.

While I'll agree Conor definitely was the biggest reason but go to any MMA site when the buyrates for 196 and 202 came out and tell me the comment section doesn't have plenty of "but Dana said Diaz doesn't move numbers lol" vibes.

For me I'm just saying for the most part both fan bases have the same complaints when it comes to the die hard fans
There are always fans who complain about everything. Conor and Ronda drew a huge amount of interest in the sport. Dana White promoting them the way he did was justified, and any rational person can admit that, even if they are not fans of either fighter. Amanda Nunes benefited greatly from that fight, both financially, and in terms of the exposure she received.

Nate has always had a hardcore following because of his brother. Yet the only time he did big numbers was when he was paired with McGregor. Hardcore fans accounted for a small percentage of those UFC 196 and 202 buyrates. Most of those people were casuals, most of whom would not buy a PPV to see Nate vs anyone else (with the exception of GSP, who is also a big draw.)
 

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There are always fans who complain about everything. Conor and Ronda drew a huge amount of interest in the sport. Dana White promoting them the way he did was justified, and any rational person can admit that, even if they are not fans of either fighter. Amanda Nunes benefited greatly from that fight, both financially, and in terms of the exposure she received.
Yeah but Nunes could have been promoted way better. She is the first open gay world champion ffs. All the build up was about Ronda. It wasn't a smart strategy. It was WME strategy, who played their cards for their clients to make her triumphant return.
 

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Is this some kind of a joke?

UFC is a far better product to watch than WWE any day of the week (even with lower card fighters).

There is a fundamental difference between UFC and WWE in terms of talent; UFC has multiple active draws (McGregor, DC, Nunes, Cyborg, Khabib, GSP, Jones, Ngannou, Holm, Johnson, TJD) while WWE has barely 3 (Ronda, Lesnar, and maybe Daniel Bryan). UFC doesn't exhaust their main event draws like how WWE does (WWE should learn from UFC on how to manage talent especially a certain long nosed Execute VP of talent relations and creative). UFC's top draws attract different sections of the audience, while WWE has become so niche that only hardcore fans watch. The other difference between the two is audience retention; UFC blows WWE out of the water in this particular category.

On a side note, I can't believe Cyborg vs Nunes is set, this match mark my words will blow away the upcoming Rousey vs Charlotte match at WM (ME or not).
 

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There are always fans who complain about everything. Conor and Ronda drew a huge amount of interest in the sport. Dana White promoting them the way he did was justified, and any rational person can admit that, even if they are not fans of either fighter. Amanda Nunes benefited greatly from that fight, both financially, and in terms of the exposure she received.

Nate has always had a hardcore following because of his brother. Yet the only time he did big numbers was when he was paired with McGregor. Hardcore fans accounted for a small percentage of those UFC 196 and 202 buyrates. Most of those people were casuals, most of whom would not buy a PPV to see Nate vs anyone else (with the exception of GSP, who is also a big draw.)
Yeah they are big draws for the company, but yet hardcore fans still hated it, and wished Dana and the company would try to build up others they liked more. Is that really much different than how upset folk got during the height of the Cena days and the belief that anybody could be Cena if Vince just focused on them?

While Nate isn't a Conor type draw, he factually got Conor to the biggest PPV number and hardcore fans took that as a win for them and a shot at Dana because the guy he said didn't do numbers did numbers. Folk took all the mainstream love Diaz got post UFC 196 as an example of Dana not knowing that he had a star in his hands in Diaz. Similar to how fans took Bryan's Yes Chant taking of and him showing up at some sporting events as a knock on Vince not understanding he had a star in his hands.

Is this some kind of a joke?

UFC is a far better product to watch than WWE any day of the week (even with lower card fighters).

There is a fundamental difference between UFC and WWE in terms of talent; UFC has multiple active draws (McGregor, DC, Nunes, Cyborg, Khabib, GSP, Jones, Ngannou, Holm, Johnson, TJD) while WWE has barely 3 (Ronda, Lesnar, and maybe Daniel Bryan). UFC doesn't exhaust their main event draws like how WWE does (WWE should learn from UFC on how to manage talent especially a certain long nosed Execute VP of talent relations and creative). UFC's top draws attract different sections of the audience, while WWE has become so niche that only hardcore fans watch. The other difference between the two is audience retention; UFC blows WWE out of the water in this particular category.

On a side note, I can't believe Cyborg vs Nunes is set, this match mark my words will blow away the upcoming Rousey vs Charlotte match at WM (ME or not).
Man what you clearly don't really know anything about MMA lol

Nunes, Khabib, N'gannou, Mighty Mouse, and TJ Dillashaw are not draws at all. Nobody in this group has ever done over 500k in buyrates. The closest any of them has got is doing around 400k on PPVs with 2 title fights. Nunes has the worst UFC PPV buyrate since the early 2000s, Khabib's only PPV main event did under 300k buys, Mighty Mouse rarely headlines because he's with Nunes as an all time worst draw, and TJ only has one good buyrate which is the last PPV which did around 400k (with Mighty mouse on the card) and that's only good by 2017-2018 standards.

And of course they can't use their fighters as much, mandatory medical suspensions and stuff like that are a thing. Not to mention that UFC's television cards do less than the average Raw or SmackDown.
 

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I think the real question is whether or not potatoes are superior to Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem...
 
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