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Yes it's that thread again.

I honestly think it is. I don't know who's worse, Michael Cole or Jerry Lawler.

On one hand, you have Michael Cole:
- Constantly kisses celebrities ass
- Constantly buries segments and good moments like Fink coming out to introduce Punk etc.
- Brings too much attention to himself and never truly puts anyone else over.
- Is generally a bad commentator who doesn't know any of the moves and holds and how it affects the wrestlers.
- His catchphrases are god awful. I'm not talking about Vintage and "Oh My", I'm talking about the ones most people don't usually catch on to like the commercial break spot -- "____ is rolling! Can he keep it up, find out after the break!" <-- this line is used EVERY WEEK. For god sake Cole, think of something fresh.
- He's generally just a parrot, who hasn't got any opinions of his own. Now I know it's scripted and everything but it's obvious he's been told what to say. If thats the case, then Vince McMahon should just come back to commentating. Atleast he was entertaining.

Then you have Jerry Lawler.

- A guy who is clearly not interested in the product. He doesn't know any of the wrestlers that haven't been seen on Raw. I mean "Curtis Hawkins"? fpalm It's a well known fact that Jerry Lawler doesn't even watch Smackdown.

- Like Cole, the guy doesn't know any of the moves and holds. Which is a major problem as a commentator. I remember one time, Matt Striker called Cattle Mutilation correctly and Lawler was like "WHAT? Your commentary is a Cattle Mutilation." That was just unprofessional of him. There was really no need.

- His constant bickering with Cole is annoying. They're not Monsoon and Heenan. Lawler is a natural heel.

- His jokes about Vickie are terrible. And as a face, it makes him look like a douche. It was funny when he used to do it about Helen Hart but when you promote the good guy as "the bully" who makes fat jokes, thats bad. Especially with their ever precious BE A STAR campaign.

- Seeing him repeatedly call Bryan a goat last week was really grinding my gears. A part of me wanted to see Bryan hop the announce table and kick his head in. I mean come on dude.

- He never has anything good or constructive to say. Lawler's script-sheet must consist of "Boo heels, Cheer faces." I hate biased commentators. Especially those who blindly justify a faces bad actions like Sheamus stealing a car. Sure you could say "What else could he say besides borrowed?" but if thats the case, Cole shouldn't have said anything at all. Why would they have an argument about this if there was ever any doubt?

I'm just saying. If the commentary isn't the worst thing, I don't know what is. It's sad because WWE have some great commentators like Matt Striker and Scott Stanford who add way more legitimacy and credibility to WWE's show and yet they're not used. And what about Joey Styles? You have Stanford with the American sports analyst voice, Striker as the perfect color guy who knows all the history and holds and what they affect and then you have broadcast legend like Joey Styles sitting on the sidelines. I don't get it.

I know it's been talked about before, but IMO it's the single worst thing in the company. If you disagree, what would you consider the single worst thing in the company?
 

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Was I imagining it or during the triple threat match on RAW, did the King actually say, oh, maybe Jericho should just let Miz win the match?
Yes he sure as fuck did.


Cole & Lawler = Worst thing, not just in the WWE, but Wrestling period. Yeah, I'll go that far, and when you consider that the current wrestling climate includes Hornswoggle, Claire Lynch, a Tag Team Drought, The Funkasauras, Lord Tensai, Garrett Bischoff, Sin Botch-a, and an unhealthy obsession with Social Media, then that is really saying something.

When I start sitting around wishing for Mark Madden in favor of these two, you know we've got problems.
 

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Yep. Michael Cole is a total mark for himself. You're a commentator Cole! That's it! STFU 4isrespecting wrestlers an4 guests that have contribute4 more to the business than you ever will.

King - turn heel or GTFO. You're Cena-esque babyface commentating is sickening me.
 

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nope, it's just a consequence of the company direction.
 

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I thought I was alone in this opinion.

I genuinely think that if the WWE had a decent commentary team that people's enjoyment of the show will increase tenfold. Its quite an underrated problem with the product. Can you really imagine some of the greatest moments in WWE history being commentated on by the modern Lawler + Cole? Even when HBK broke his arm at the hands of Lesnar they no sold it.

Cole - "The WWF is being beaten down by the alliance in the ring king"
King - "No they're not, they're just outnumbered."
*Austin music*
Cole - "I believe Stone Cold is here to help the WWF."
King - "Indeed"
 
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They always kill moments that seemed very classical and great like when Paul Heymen returned, Cole just said in a very monotonous tone "As you may now, this is Paul Heyman" or something along those lines. No interest, no intensity. They ruined RAW 1000 with their crappy commentary and every episode for that matter. I also despise Cole and King's bickering because they're always so childish and so unfunny. Heel Lawler and J.R would be a great commentary team for Raw.
 

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Yes, the commentary is horrendous, probably the worst its ever been on a consistent basis.

However, I'd say the booking is still the current #1 problem. It defies logic, its so bad. Commentary would probably be #3, right behind the writing.
 

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The worst thing in the WWE is the aimless / rushed storylines that we get regularly. Even if the commentary was enthusiastic and spot-on, announcers can't make up for shitty / lazy writing. I'd consider the booking and writing to go hand-in-hand in terms of what makes the overall show lackluster. The poor commentary makes it even worse, though, and I would consider it another significant weak point.
 

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While commentary IS terrible (Cole is the best one doing Raw or Smackdown at the moment, for what THAT's worth), I wouldn't call it the worst thing about the WWE. I consider the constant recapping to be much worse. I also think that the focus on the same handful of guys at the expense of everyone else is a bigger issue. HHH's ongoing obsession with being the spotlight of major ppv's has become a major issue (which plays into the previous two issues).
 

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Most of OP's issues with Cole don't even exist any more. He's stopped being a character and is back to being a commentator. He retains some qualities of the character he had last year but overall it just makes him a heelish commentator, which works for SmackDown since Josh is straight play-by-play. And he's mostly fine there. On Raw he has to drag along the dead weight of Lawler, and now he has to do it for an extra hour, which can't help him. Cole's certainly not my favorite commentator, but shit, the guy would be MUCH better off alone on Mondays.
 
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