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And yes it's not hard to write a story where ricochet beats Lesnar in a match. Ricochet is much quicker, more agile. Present him as smarter than an unhinged Brock. Have Brock tire himself out, get frustrated, make mistakes etc.

If Sarah Connor can beat the Terminator, Luke Skywalker can beat Darth Vader, the humans can beat the aliens in Independence day surely one wrestler can beat another. I mean it's only WWE booking Lesnar like a superhuman in first place that audience buy into this character. They could easily make him more like Lashley who himself is decent mma competitor but booked as human on TV not unstoppable monster. Lesnar was booked to beat Cain easily on WWE tv even though in UFC Cain would destroy brock.

The beauty of pro wrestling over real sport's is that you can write any scenario you desire and make it work if it's well written and you give audience lots of time to digest it.

Has anyone ever thought if wwe started making things a bit more realistic then they would get more viewers?

But then the indy midgets like bryan would be relgated to the lower/midcard losing to guys like ziggler where they belong. No top guy should ever be under 6ft and 250lbs. Period.

Austin was the smallest guy who is a believable top guy. Someone like rollins or bryan? Cmon.

Tyson was 5'10 and 220
Mayweather is 5'7 and 140
McGregor is 5'8 and 170

Those are real sports so why shouldn't a fake traveling cartoon circus have top guys less than 250? Surely if someone is over with capability of drawing money for company it would've rather silly to not push them and have them lose in lower midcard

Even away from combat sports a guy like Steph Curry is dominating in a sport when once 7 foot dudes like Shaq, David Robinson, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing were king's in the 1990s.
 

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Of course Black beating Lesnar can be realistic, the Black Mass is a devastating move that would be effective even in the octagon or in a real fight. If he hit one of those clean, it'd be believable.

Ricochet is harder to see but he's so quick and athletic so if he could avoid Brock's punishment for most of the match and manage to get an advantage someway, by fair means or not, he could use it to get to victory.

Now, should these guys be getting booked to ever beat Lesnar? Probably not. Are there ways to do it and not make it look absolutely phony? Yes, there are.
 

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If so define how it’s realistic small 200 pound men pinning men over 7 foot (and 500 pound in shows case) Big Show, Kane, and
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Brock knocked Strowman out in 1 punch

Becky Lynch vs any 205 guy
Nia Jax vs Miz

^^^^ same weight and height but not realistic

Black vs Big Show
Ricochet vs Bork

Massive weight and height differences as well one is a former UFC champion. But the same people who say the above inter gender matches aren’t realistic are posting “Omg I’m marking out Ricochet should pin Bork”
In short, no. But that's the kind of thing you get if you keep letting smarks have their way.
 

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In short, no. But that's the kind of thing you get if you keep letting smarks have their way.
OK wise ass, who's the guy who can realistically out wrestle Brock Lesnar and pin down his mass for three seconds?

And it's not Braun incase you were thinking that. He's never wrestled before. He stiffed Bork and Bork turned him into his little bitch. So Braun is not plausible as a guy who could beat Brock. Who else is there?
 

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OK wise ass, who's the guy who can realistically out wrestle Brock Lesnar and pin down his mass for three seconds?

And it's not Braun incase you were thinking that. He's never wrestled before. He stiffed Bork and Bork turned him into his little bitch. So Braun is not plausible as a guy who could beat Brock. Who else is there?
Braun could eaisly manhandle lesnar....
 

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Braun could eaisly manhandle lesnar....
In a real fight Lesnar would kill Braun. Braun has zero combat skills.

Lifting shit or being big is of no value in a real fight by themselves. Guy like Ziggler would have Strowman tapping out in 30 seconds in a real fight because of his amateur background.

Giant Silva was 7'2 and 400lb and even after training was getting his ass kicked by 200lb guys that themselves weren't exactly bjj black belts

 

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I say this every time someone mentions Brock Lesnar and realism in the same sentence or topic:

In reality Brock Lesnar would be using his fist to beat people instead of using the F5. Lacey Evans and Big Show uses their fists in wrestling, Brock has used it to win real fights in MMA.

Aleister Blacks offense caters to him being able to beat giants or beasts.

Ricochet, they could do things for him to beat Lesnar like luring Lesnar to lead with his shoulder in to the turnbuckle, basically cat and mouse. Ricochets quickness can totally be used to beat Lesnar in the world of wrestling. So yes, they can easily come up with a way for Ricochet to beat Lesnar in a wrestling match.

A large amount of wrestling doesn't have real elements to it. Especially in the land of WWE when two people don't like each other but the babyface just stands in the ring instead of chasing after the heel as if theres an invisible wall.
 

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Braun could eaisly manhandle lesnar....
Unfortunately, this is just a lack of understanding. Slinging iron in the gym like Braun has gives you a certain type of mental toughness, but lifting weights is a different skillset and mental toughness compared to a guy who has trained to lift around HUMAN mass and hit people. You literally don't get it until you see the gym rat meat heads actually try to wrestle experienced guys for the first time, or spar with boxers when the lifter has no sparring experience.

It's two different worlds.
 

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In the case of Brock, they have made him look so superhuman that you'd never believe he'd lose unless this company booked him to as a last resort. Seth was the only card in the roleplayers' card game WWE had left because they had pulled all the rest and recklessly used & abused them, so to speak.

Why would I believe that Brock can't just suplex everyone to near death and be champ forever when you've been booking him that way for over 10 years and you have the fans conditioned to realize what he is compared to everybody else?

All these top guys we're supposed to think are so great, as far as Vince and the WWE are concerned... Roman failed, Braun failed, Finn failed, Bryan failed, everybody failed. Brock embarrassed all of them. If we bring fan reception into this, we can easily see that the average WWE fan believes Lesnar can destroy everyone because he has. If you didn't intend for fans to believe that for so long, then you should not have done it for so long.

Is Black or Rico beating Brock realistic? Well look, Seth already pulls off "the miracle", so in theory yes, but then a month or two later you have him cringing in front of Wyatt like a beeyotch. That's idiotic. Basically you're saying to Brock "we're going to take the invincible beast system offline" because we've clearly overused you and the result will be a huge drop in what we expect from Brock Lesnar. Except... it wasn't. I'm pretty sure Black could more than hang with Seth, if not kick Seth's head off.

Think of fan reception as a fireplace. The wrestlers are the guys that put the logs in to get "warm", or with top tier guys, "hot". It is the booker who is supposed to stoke the fire of the fan reception by proper booking. If it doesn't start right, it's cold.

Seth beat Brock, and it was lukewarm at first but quickly got cold. You just phoned it in on Brock. In order to have Black or Rico beat Brock without it looking stupid, it has to look organic enough that the fans jump all in and buy it. Or else, don't even bother. That is by far the fault of WWE's horrible booking, not simply any one wrestler.
 
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