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Will not even copy and paste because this is such a well-written and -organized article with myriad pictures and a video as well as a map from The Guardian and written by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/27/iraq-is-dying-oil-corruption-protest-basra

One of the most poignant pieces of the article comes late toward the end of it.

Much like its stagnating rivers and canals, Iraqi democracy has become a victim of a never-ending cycle of corruption. Words such as election, parliament and democracy have become synonymous with corruption, nepotism and sectarianism. Many of the demonstrators are making ominous demands for a strong presidential system and an end to parliament.
 

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Fuck them, they deserve all their misery and more :heston
 
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"Democracy" is no guarantor of peace, prosperity, happiness or national unity. Oftentimes, it is simply a convenient smokescreen by which plutocrats can carve up the land between themselves. But frankly, that occurs with dictators in power. It eventually occurs after violent populist revolutions. It pretty much occurs in every system of government known to man.

The best any nation can hope for is a tolerable status quo, in which the rights of the individual are respected. Ultimately, though, that depends on what leader you get. America's democratic experiment succeeded because they had men prudent enough to create systems of checks and balances. But sadly this is not the norm, and even if Iraq found their Washington, corruption will always find ways to seep in, as it has in every major Western democracy.
 

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Sadly, some countries are salvageable. Just let Darwinism take its course.
 

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Update as what may be loosely described as society appears to be continuing to fall apart in multiple regions within Iraq:

 

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As soon as Saddam was done and the people thankful they expected the US just to leave.

Saddam was a cruel dictator but he kept everyone in line now it's pure chaos.

You simply cannot go in and try to change a culture and way of life within a few years. It doesn't work that way.
 

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As soon as Saddam was done and the people thankful they expected the US just to leave.

Saddam was a cruel dictator but he kept everyone in line now it's pure chaos.

You simply cannot go in and try to change a culture and way of life within a few years. It doesn't work that way.
Actually, the "just leaving" was a big part of the problem. I have numerous friends who served in Iraq as both squaddies and officers and they all have the same opinion pretty much. We went in, fucked everything up (on the basis of out and out lying no less) and then left the country in the hands of incompetent people and half-trained "soldiers" who we armed to the teeth. Once the US/UK left those armed soldiers became the jihadis and the government was too weak to do fuck all about anything. We essentially destroyed a country, then armed the people whose country we destroyed and created ISIS' armies for them and left a bunch of weak, incompetent people in charge of all that mess. Our respective countries take a HUGE portion of the blame for the destruction of Iraq and the rise of ISIS tbh.
 

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Now count the number of countries America has done this to and you'll realize why the current refugee crisis exists. Yes. The average westerner should not bear the burden of their corrupt governments but at some point the people in the west need to find the strength to bring down their own tyrants that lead them to war. Trump's Regine may not have any new wars but there are constant constant pushed to take America to war and keep her at it with everyone else.

We've lost control of our own system because we continued to give it more and more power. Now the American war machine is entering a stage of perpetual motion where those that come after us have no way to stop this.
 

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Now count the number of countries America has done this to and you'll realize why the current refugee crisis exists. Yes. The average westerner should not bear the burden of their corrupt governments but at some point the people in the west need to find the strength to bring down their own tyrants that lead them to war. Trump's Regine may not have any new wars but there are constant constant pushed to take America to war and keep her at it with everyone else.

We've lost control of our own system because we continued to give it more and more power. Now the American war machine is entering a stage of perpetual motion where those that come after us have no way to stop this.
Much like Rome before it.
 

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Now count the number of countries America has done this to and you'll realize why the current refugee crisis exists. Yes. The average westerner should not bear the burden of their corrupt governments but at some point the people in the west need to find the strength to bring down their own tyrants that lead them to war. Trump's Regine may not have any new wars but there are constant constant pushed to take America to war and keep her at it with everyone else.

We've lost control of our own system because we continued to give it more and more power. Now the American war machine is entering a stage of perpetual motion where those that come after us have no way to stop this.
Not just the refugee crisis, the fact there are as many and as large Islamist terrorist groups as there are. They weren't close to as powerful or having as many numbers as they have until the good ol' westerners (especially the USA/UK partnership) fucked up entire regions of the planet. I bet it's super-easy to radicalise people in the middle east, they've already had the shit bombed out of their home, lost countless friends and family and seen destruction far worse than all of the terrorist attacks in the west put together. These aren't the same people as the sad little fuckers with no life in the west who decide to join up with ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Whoever will give them a gun and a modicum of respect - these are people who've had their entire lives fucked up by our military, what the fuck do they have left to lose?
 

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Not just the refugee crisis, the fact there are as many and as large Islamist terrorist groups as there are. They weren't close to as powerful or having as many numbers as they have until the good ol' westerners (especially the USA/UK partnership) fucked up entire regions of the planet. I bet it's super-easy to radicalise people in the middle east, they've already had the shit bombed out of their home, lost countless friends and family and seen destruction far worse than all of the terrorist attacks in the west put together. These aren't the same people as the sad little fuckers with no life in the west who decide to join up with ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Whoever will give them a gun and a modicum of respect - these are people who've had their entire lives fucked up by our military, what the fuck do they have left to lose?
Zia Ul Haq led the coup against democratically elected ZA Bhutto on the night of the July 4th celebration where the US Ambassador Hummel had all Pakistani leaders present. Bhutto was not in favor of meeting Hummel but he did anyways. One night and he was over thrown and Operation Cyclone came into being.

Read Pakistani history and you'll realize that All Qaeda, Mujahideen, Taliban etc are all interconnected and created as an outcome of America's proxy war against Russia in the 70s.

Same with Musharraf in the late 90s just before they invaded Afghanistan. Both Pakistani military dictators got hundreds of billions of US tax dollars.
 

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Not just the refugee crisis, the fact there are as many and as large Islamist terrorist groups as there are. They weren't close to as powerful or having as many numbers as they have until the good ol' westerners (especially the USA/UK partnership) fucked up entire regions of the planet. I bet it's super-easy to radicalise people in the middle east, they've already had the shit bombed out of their home, lost countless friends and family and seen destruction far worse than all of the terrorist attacks in the west put together. These aren't the same people as the sad little fuckers with no life in the west who decide to join up with ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Whoever will give them a gun and a modicum of respect - these are people who've had their entire lives fucked up by our military, what the fuck do they have left to lose?

Well fucking said.

And the politicians on both the democrat and republican side are 90 percent warmongers. And they have our (at least here in America) political system on lock-down so none of this shit is going to change any time soon. The blind sheep that are the American voters will never give enough votes for third parties to get them invited to debates. All politicians have to do is divide us into a team sport hive-mind and laugh at us like the sheep we are. It's frustrating and quite disgusting.
 

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Zia Ul Haq led the coup against democratically elected ZA Bhutto on the night of the July 4th celebration where the US Ambassador Hummel had all Pakistani leaders present. Bhutto was not in favor of meeting Hummel but he did anyways. One night and he was over thrown and Operation Cyclone came into being.

Read Pakistani history and you'll realize that All Qaeda, Mujahideen, Taliban etc are all interconnected and created as an outcome of America's proxy war against Russia in the 70s.

Same with Musharraf in the late 90s just before they invaded Afghanistan. Both Pakistani military dictators got hundreds of billions of US tax dollars.
Almost makes you think that the military industrial complex is manufacturing these "enemies" in order to keep developing new weapons and making tons of money...I kid of course, I'm not remotely into the conspiracy "theory" side of things. I agree with you though, the collective "we" of the western countries have caused a huge number of these problems we're facing with extremists these days. Now, i don't think we're responsible for all of it, though I do think we often help those who're responsible for the parts we're less responsible for - first among those has to be Saudi Arabia. So between US intelligence creating millitant groups and arming them, the UK and US bombing the fuck out of everybody and then us all playing pretty with the nation that's pushing the brand of Islam the vast majority of terrorists adhere to I think it's safe to say that the UK and USA are the biggest threat in the world and need to be stopped!
 
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