Im Going to Kick Your Arse

Until May said:

dude the guy is over as all hell, be real here.

del rio got a huge ass oush that he didnt deserve worth a damn too, sheamus however, got over.

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Ok, first off, Del Rio was not pushed as a super babyface, beating every fucking person on the roster imaginable for a year clean.

Secondly, Sheamus was given a lot more to work with on the mic in his heel runs than just "It's my destiny" for 2 years. Plus, he got more high profile opponents immediately, and even then didn't even START to get over until his second WWE title run.

I don't care how over he is, the guy SUCKS. I didn't like him when he debuted, I didn't like him when he won the title, I didn't like him when he turned face, I don't like him now and I'm not gonna like him when he's at the end of his career. He's a joke, like Batista, except at least Batista looked legitimate instead of like a fucking Muppet. A workout buddy of Triple H's and that's all he is. He'd be in the same position as Mason Ryan if it wasn't for Triple H. And he's NOT over as "hell", either, he's more over than most people in the company by virtue of his push but he's not Jeff Hardy level over.

Tyrion Lannister said:

Yes, nothing. Being the top heel in and of itself is meaningless, where's his WWE title? Oh yeah, he doesn't have one, and he never will have one, because you're making up his so called "support" backstage. Nobody the WWE supports would've gotten out of that angle without the belt. If that was Sheamus or Del Rio in that spot they'd have gotten it easily. Hell, Sheamus has been here for 2 and a half years and has a more Hall of Fame worthy resume than 95% of the people that are actually in the damn thing.

It was an angle to keep Cena busy and shock people, nothing more, nothing less.

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Wade Barrett in NXT was a nobody. Fact.

Wade Barrett main evented because somebody backstage liked him and they liked him so much that they put him in a main event feud STRAIGHT AWAY with John Cena, a feud that overshadowed the WWE title mind you, therefore the feud was more important than the WWE title storyline. The WWE title isn't the "be all, end all", I can't stretch this enough. In wrestling, fake titles don't mean shit. You don't "win" titles, you're given them to forward a storyline. Nexus vs John Cena wasn't about the title. It was about Barrett owning Cena.

And keep in mind that this was all done when Wade Barrett was greener than goose-shit. I don't know what exists in your universe, but in real life, everything I said is true. I've been in wrestling and I know what I'm talking about.

Sheamus and Del Rio are better than Barrett. This is not even an opinion, it is a fact. These guys travelled all over the world and weren't new to this when they won the title. Yeah they were new in the eyes of the people who don't know shit, but to the people "in the know", it was always expected of them. When you compare Barrett to Sheamus and Del Rio, theres really no comparison. Barrett talks good and can probably punch you in the face but besides that, the guy has no skill. Not on the level of Sheamus and Del Rio. If you think otherwise, clearly you don't know much about wrestling.

Kentonbomb said:

Wade Barrett in NXT was a nobody. Fact.

Wade Barrett main evented because somebody backstage liked him and they liked him so much that they put him in a main event feud STRAIGHT AWAY with John Cena, a feud that overshadowed the WWE title mind you, therefore the feud was more important than the WWE title storyline. The WWE title isn't the "be all, end all", I can't stretch this enough. In wrestling, fake titles don't mean shit. You don't "win" titles, you're given them to forward a storyline. Nexus vs John Cena wasn't about the title. It was about Barrett owning Cena.

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Yes, the title IS the be all, end all. There wouldn't be so much political BS if it wasn't important, it doesn't matter if you win them or you're given them, they emphasize your position in the company. If you're a big name today, you WILL win the title eventually, because the company knows that's the ultimate payoff and reward for your work.

And it wasn't just Barrett, it was 7-8 fucking people, and it was JUST to keep Cena out of the title picture. That's all it was for. The only reason it was Barrett as the leader was because they had no choice but to make it Barrett, nobody else had the frame, the presence or the mic work to assume leadership. If they put Otunga or RyBack in that spot the angle would've fallen apart after 3 weeks.

And keep in mind that this was all done when Wade Barrett was greener than goose-shit. I don't know what exists in your universe, but in real life, everything I said is true. I've been in wrestling and I know what I'm talking about.

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Oh yeah, you've been in wrestling, sure. That's why you think Jinder Mahal and Tensai are future world champions, you're in the know.

Sheamus and Del Rio are better than Barrett. This is not even an opinion, it is a fact. These guys travelled all over the world and weren't new to this when they won the title. Yeah they were new in the eyes of the people who don't know shit, but to the people "in the know", it was always expected of them. When you compare Barrett to Sheamus and Del Rio, theres really no comparison. Barrett talks good and can probably punch you in the face but besides that, the guy has no skill. Not on the level of Sheamus and Del Rio. If you think otherwise, clearly you don't know much about wrestling.

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Yeah, ok, they're not new to it, neither is Barrett.

Even assuming I believe you that they're better, which I don't, at least not in the important senses, of which ring work is NOT part of them, what the fuck does skill have to do with anything? You've said I don't know how many times that Barrett is better than Miz, yet Miz main evented WrestleMania and got a 6 month WWE title reign and Barrett has nothing. It's not skill that matters, it's political games that matter. Bryan, Christian and Ziggler have more wrestling skill than anybody else in the company and their main event runs have been over in the blink of an eye.

Tyrion Lannister said:

Yes, the title IS the be all, end all. There wouldn't be so much political BS if it wasn't important, it doesn't matter if you win them or you're given them, they emphasize your position in the company. If you're a big name today, you WILL win the title eventually, because the company knows that's the ultimate payoff and reward for your work.

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No, it isn't. The WWE title is a storyline. The "political BS" isn't about the title, it's about the storylines and the placement on the card. Roddy Piper was never World Champion, are you saying Jack Swagger is more successful in the wrestling business than Roddy Piper?

And it wasn't just Barrett, it was 7-8 fucking people, and it was JUST to keep Cena out of the title picture. That's all it was for. The only reason it was Barrett as the leader was because they had no choice but to make it Barrett, nobody else had the frame, the presence or the mic work to assume leadership. If they put Otunga or RyBack in that spot the angle would've fallen apart after 3 weeks.

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No, it was "Wade Barrett and co." The whole storyline was about that.

Oh yeah, you've been in wrestling, sure. That's why you think Jinder Mahal and Tensai are future world champions, you're in the know.

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I know enough about wrestling to know what a star is and what WWE would look for. I said that Mahal and Tensai would be better in the main event than Rhodes and Barrett because they have more main event qualities. If WWE were up for pushing Muhammad Hassan and Vader to the main event, why would Mahal and Tensai be any different? Mahal is a much better talent than Hassan and Tensai already beat Punk and Cena so are you telling me this is all one big stretch of the imagination?

My favourism towards some people don't contradict the fact that I'm clearly more knowledgeble than you. Even if Mahal and Tensai don't main event, that doesn't change a thing.

Yeah, ok, they're not new to it, neither is Barrett.

Even assuming I believe you that they're better, which I don't, at least not in the important senses, of which ring work is NOT part of them, what the fuck does skill have to do with anything? You've said I don't know how many times that Barrett is better than Miz, yet Miz main evented WrestleMania and got a 6 month WWE title reign and Barrett has nothing. It's not skill that matters, it's political games that matter. Bryan, Christian and Ziggler have more wrestling skill than anybody else in the company and their main event runs have been over in the blink of an eye.

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:lmao Bryan and Ziggler's main event runs are over? They're just getting started. The Miz was a mistake and WWE realise that now. Miz was a scapegoat, it was about building up to Rock/Cena. I find it laughable that guys like you actually say he "WON" in the main event of Wrestlemania like anyone actually remembers that. They couldn't have had him win more unconvincingly if they tried. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

No, it isn't. The WWE title is a storyline. The "political BS" isn't about the title, it's about the storylines and the placement on the card. Roddy Piper was never World Champion, are you saying Jack Swagger is more successful in the wrestling business than Roddy Piper?

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Depends what you're talking about. Did he make more money? No. Did he accomplish more ON SCREEN? Yes. Which is all I care about because as a fan, I obviously don't give a shit about their pay grade. That has nothing to do with their on screen character. The ONLY thing that can top a world title is a win against Taker at WrestleMania and that will NEVER happen.

Oh, and yeah, it's not about the title. That's not why the Screwjob happened, or Hogan winning the belt from Yokozuna at WM 9 in a minute because he wouldn't job to Bret, or Shawn screwing Vader out of the title he was supposed to win mid match because he didn't want to lose the belt, or a million other things.

No, it was "Wade Barrett and co." The whole storyline was about that.

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No, I'm pretty sure it was called "The Nexus", not "Wade Barrett and co.". As I told you before, which you didn't seem to get, nobody else COULD HAVE BEEN the leader. Not if they wanted it to keep Cena busy for as long as they needed.

I wish you would stop saying that rubbish. I said that Mahal and Tensai would be better in the main event than Rhodes and Barrett because they have more main event qualities. Get your facts straight. My favourism towards some people don't contradict the fact that I'm clearly more knowledgeble than you.

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And that would prove you're not more knowledgeable than me at all because that's blatant ridiculousness and about 2% of wrestling fans, or agents in the business would agree with you on that, and I'm being generous. That's why even if they're not main eventers, Barrett and Rhodes are still FAR better off than Tensai and Mahal and will continue to be. Mahal is a jobber who couldn't even beat a rookie for the NXT title and Tensai's push failed so hard they gave it to Big Show and jobbed him out to Tyson Kidd. Yeah, these guys are fucking awesome. :lmao

And I do have my facts straight. You flat out said Tensai is a future world champion when he was beating Cena and Punk when it was OBVIOUS that he was nothing but the next Umaga/Kozlov and was getting the typical monster push before jobbing to the top guy and then falling off the face of the Earth, which is what happened, and you said Mahal is a future world champion, despite the fact that he was so bad he got dumped back to NXT. Backpeddling because their pushes have been complete failures and were dropped does not mean you didn't say it.

:lmao Bryan and Ziggler's main event runs are over? They're just getting started. The Miz was a mistake and WWE realise that now. Miz was a scapegoat, it was about building up to Rock/Cena. I find it laughable that guys like you actually say he "WON" in the main event of Wrestlemania like anyone actually remembers that. They couldn't have had him win more unconvincingly if they tried. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

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Bryan's main event run is over. Not over permanently, obviously, but over for now. Vince buried him at Mania in 18 seconds, that proves exactly the type of wrestler they see him as, and the only reason he lasted this long was because a large percentage of the fanbase wanted him in the ME and kept him over. WWE appeased them for a few months while they continued to damage his credibility with repeated loss after loss after loss to Punk, and now he's in the midcard feuding with AJ and potentially Charlie Sheen, who would've been a big deal to feud with last year but not this year. He's an even lower tier Chris Jericho, that's all. Midcarding is mostly what he's gonna do for his career.

Ziggler's first world title run lasted 5 minutes. He's repeatedly jobbed out as much as anyone who gets on tv, and yes, he's gonna win the belt, but given his history, how long do you think that's gonna last? 3 weeks? 6 weeks? Before Sheamus kicks his head off and wins the belt back, and they continue with Sheamus/Orton or Sheamus/Del Rio or whoever? It ain't gonna be long and he'll go right back to getting jobbed out.

As for Miz, what's your excuse gonna be when Miz eventually wins the title again someday? Because at some point in time, it's going to happen. The roster is paper thin, and Miz is consistently one of the most over heels in WWE, he knows how to work the crowd. If WWE thought his run was a mistake, he wouldn't even have a title right now, he'd be treated like Swagger or Mcintyre. The fact that he won "unconvincingly" doesn't matter because EVERYONE wins unconvincingly against Cena, even Punk, #1, and #2, he's a cowardly heel, so that's what's supposed to happen. You can say Miz was a scapegoat and it didn't matter who had the title because it was about Rock/Cena, but why him? It could've been anybody else. Main eventing WrestleMania is never a thing that WWE just throws in the gutter, regardless of any other circumstances surrounding the match.

Tyrion Lannister said:

Depends what you're talking about. Did he make more money? No. Did he accomplish more ON SCREEN? Yes. Which is all I care about because as a fan, I obviously don't give a shit about their pay grade. That has nothing to do with their on screen character. The ONLY thing that can top a world title is a win against Taker at WrestleMania and that will NEVER happen.

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fpalm So you're actually telling me that ring work is irrellevent and yet a world title win, a title that guys like Bryan, Ziggler and Swagger have held, guys you say have nothing APART from ring work is the only thing that matters? So which is it. Either mic skills mean shit or you don't know what you're talking about. It's one or the other.

You look at it as a fan, I look at it from a real life perspective. And thats fine. But if you're watching it as a fan, don't talk like you have an idea of what goes on in reality. Because I can tell you right now, you're way off. And if you ever entered the business, you would see that. To say Swagger is more successful than Piper is just fucking nonsense. Piper is one of the most iconic figures in wrestling EVER. He made the company a ton more money than Swagger and was a bigger name, therefore he is more successful.

Oh, and yeah, it's not about the title. That's not why the Screwjob happened, or Hogan winning the belt from Yokozuna at WM 9 in a minute because he wouldn't job to Bret, or Shawn screwing Vader out of the title he was supposed to win mid match because he didn't want to lose the belt, or a million other things.

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Bret didn't want to look bad going out of the company.

No, I'm pretty sure it was called "The Nexus", not "Wade Barrett and co.". As I told you before, which you didn't seem to get, nobody else COULD HAVE BEEN the leader. Not if they wanted it to keep Cena busy for as long as they needed.

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Oh yeah, like that time Heath Slater main evented against John Cena on PPV. Oh wait.

And that would prove you're not more knowledgeable than me at all because that's blatant ridiculousness and about 2% of wrestling fans, or agents in the business would agree with you on that, and I'm being generous. That's why even if they're not main eventers, Barrett and Rhodes are still FAR better off than Tensai and Mahal and will continue to be. Mahal is a jobber who couldn't even beat a rookie for the NXT title and Tensai's push failed so hard they gave it to Big Show and jobbed him out to Tyson Kidd. Yeah, these guys are fucking awesome. :lmao

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Yeah, Mahal lost on a show that nobody watches to a guy WWE obviously think pretty highly of. Big deal. You know who lost clean to Goldust on ECW? Sheamus. And aren't you the guy that says Damien Sandow got "the rub" by DX last monday? What about Mahal and company with Undertaker? He lead that stable down to the ring, and got beat up. It's the exact same thing.

And I do have my facts straight. You flat out said Tensai is a future world champion when he was beating Cena and Punk when it was OBVIOUS that he was nothing but the next Umaga/Kozlov and was getting the typical monster push before jobbing to the top guy and then falling off the face of the Earth, which is what happened, and you said Mahal is a future world champion, despite the fact that he was so bad he got dumped back to NXT. Backpeddling because their pushes have been complete failures and were dropped does not mean you didn't say it.

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So bad he got dumped back to NXT? Mahal was always on NXT. I'm talking about the future. Mahal could very easily pick up momentum and get a main event push. You don't know. If he's so low on the totem pole then how come he never loses? The only guys that I can recall that have beaten him are Sheamus, Khali and Intercontinental Champion, Christian. If WWE write him to be a main eventer, it will happen.

Bryan's main event run is over. Not over permanently, obviously, but over for now. Vince buried him at Mania in 18 seconds, that proves exactly the type of wrestler they see him as, and the only reason he lasted this long was because a large percentage of the fanbase wanted him in the ME and kept him over. WWE appeased them for a few months while they continued to damage his credibility with repeated loss after loss after loss to Punk, and now he's in the midcard feuding with AJ and potentially Charlie Sheen, who would've been a big deal to feud with last year but not this year. He's an even lower tier Chris Jericho, that's all. Midcarding is mostly what he's gonna do for his career.

Ziggler's first world title run lasted 5 minutes. He's repeatedly jobbed out as much as anyone who gets on tv, and yes, he's gonna win the belt, but given his history, how long do you think that's gonna last? 3 weeks? 6 weeks? Before Sheamus kicks his head off and wins the belt back, and they continue with Sheamus/Orton or Sheamus/Del Rio or whoever? It ain't gonna be long and he'll go right back to getting jobbed out.

As for Miz, what's your excuse gonna be when Miz eventually wins the title again someday? Because at some point in time, it's going to happen. The roster is paper thin, and Miz is consistently one of the most over heels in WWE, he knows how to work the crowd. If WWE thought his run was a mistake, he wouldn't even have a title right now, he'd be treated like Swagger or Mcintyre. The fact that he won "unconvincingly" doesn't matter because EVERYONE wins unconvincingly against Cena, even Punk, #1, and #2, he's a cowardly heel, so that's what's supposed to happen. You can say Miz was a scapegoat and it didn't matter who had the title because it was about Rock/Cena, but why him? It could've been anybody else. Main eventing WrestleMania is never a thing that WWE just throws in the gutter, regardless of any other circumstances surrounding the match.

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You're just a biased mark. It's funny that you say all this about the guys you DON'T like, as if it's not possible for somebody like Bryan or Ziggler to stay in the main event because you don't like them. That's just your opinion, WWE obviously disagree with you.

Bryan won the title in 10 seconds aswell. Lets not forget that. Sheamus took a cheap shot in the storyline and won the title. It fit into his character and was continunity of Bryan (the heel) getting what was coming to him. And WWE gave him that title before any "YES CHANTS" or fancy catchphrases, so what's your excuse for back then? If the guy is popular, they will likely get pushed. It's the nature of the business. Your whole "Bryan only got pushed because people liked him" logic is fucking hilarious. Like people liking him is supposed to be a bad thing. Bryan was always going to get pushed. He is a United States Champion, a MITB winner, and a World Champion all in one year. And This match or interaction with Sheen is gonna bring more mainstream exposure to WWE than a crappy Wade Barrett title run.

Miz is just lucky that Randy Orton was cut from that movie or else he wouldn't even have a title right now. You know it and I know it.

I am not really a Sheamus fan, but I see why they push him. He has a different look, is strong as an ox, and has good ring presence.

I personally think that Del Rio is worse on the mic than Sheamus. Listening to Del Rio say "Chaay-muss" and "oolighan" repeatedly is far worse than "Arse"

As for in ring, Sheamus isn't the most impressive guy on the roster, but he doesn't have terrible, unbelievable matches. He needs a little work on selling, and he needs to seem a little more "hungry" now that he is champion. As far as being gassed, he should probably do a little bit more submission/mat based wrestling instead of constant "power moves" that require him to use his legs as much. His signature moves and Finisher all require alot of leg strength and flexibility, so why not save up his legs until then, and have him wear guys down with a more mat based approach

His match at Wrestlemania pissed me off. Bryan-Sheamus was an interesting match-up and I was surprised they did the squash, and then really made very little mention of it afterwards.