[Simpsons Modern Life]

I'm sure many of you here have heard about the whole Sin Cara character and the reason why they wanted to keep him on the roster which Hunico took over the role as we know, apparently he's such a great merchandise seller as well as them including him in things such as The Scooby Doo movie for example, they obviously wanted to keep this character going for various reasons, though what baffles me is how come they always have the character jobbing to other talent when he's obviously a fan favourite if he's selling merchandise well, surely these fans want to see him win now and again.

I realise with Mistico it was a case of injury's and botches, however Hunico is an absolutely solid wrestler, yet the character is still booked the same way, so why do you feel that even though the Sin Cara character is apparently a good seller in the merchandise department, why do you feel his character is booked as though it's a Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal kinda thing? (I.E. a non merch seller basically).

What are your thoughts in regards to this?​

 

[260825]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

That guy ... that guy isn't the Sin Cara I & everybody loved.

This guy above, I'll have the lovable goof back any day.

Hunico needs to form his own legacy, he's strong in numerous areas he doesn't need to be in Sin Botcha's shadow.

 

[Dub J]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

To be honest, I just bought the mask to wear when I go to my beloved Cowboys games.

 

[Spirit Soul]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Because he is terrible? Well, Hunico isn't that bad, but original Sin Cara was.

 

[Black Jesus]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Because he's a walking botch.

 

[Oda Nobunaga]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

He's not Sin Cara, though. It's so blatantly obvious he's not Mistico. I don't buy him as Sin Cara. I'm pretty sure no one in Mexico will buy the guy now that Mistico actually returned to Mexico under the Sin Cara name. Sin Cara, as a brand, no longer has value because Mistico was injured too often and could not adapt to the WWE landscape, either because he did not want to or because he could not. Whatever the case, Hunico is a hell of a lot slower and can't really do the things that Mistico (originally) could. The character no longer has value despite selling a few masks and shirts here and there. If Kallisto/Samuray debuted under the gimmick and had an incredibly strong showing, the fans would probably buy him. However, Incognito/Hunico is just a solid hand. To be quite honest, there's nothing really remarkable about the guy, at least to me. I don't consider him superior to Mistico at all, though Mistico showed that he did not care at all about the WWE.

 

[CM Punk Is A God]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

He can be the top merch seller in the company and still be a jobber. Sin Cara's character has no direction. They don't know what the fuck to do with masked wrestlers.

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

I don't think some of you are reading the thread, I'm talking about why the character is booked so shitty yet is a huge merchandise seller according to what we have heard, whether the person playing the character botches or not, he can still be booked and valued more as a character than a jobber who loses to people all the time, this is what I'm on about.

Also, two people have played this character in the WWE now, they're not both a walking botch.

He can be the top merch seller in the company and still be a jobber. Sin Cara's character has no direction. They don't know what the fuck to do with masked wrestlers.

Yeah, but it doesn't make much sense does it? ... I mean, if you were running the WWE and you had a top merchandise seller, wouldn't you be booking him a little bit better for the fans that are buying the merchandise?

Lets say if AJ Lee for example (who is the highest merch seller in the diva's I believe) was constantly booked as a jobber (no title run, nothing, just a complete jobber like Sin Cara), can you imagine how many times people would be moaning about her selling all this merchandise yet WWE book her so shitty, it's the same principle in regards to Sin Cara.

They obviously wanted to keep the character for the merchandise sales, so why repackage another talent to play the character to keep him on the roster then barely put him on TV and when you do make him a complete out and out jobber, where is the logic in this?

That's what I'm trying to say in regards to this thread, not if he botches or not (which Hunico doesn't do) ... also, if you remember when Hunico had his debut as Sin Cara he was a lot slower than Mistico, but remember a couple of weeks after that when he was in the ring on Raw or Smackdown or something and he completely sped up and was on form ... I think the problem was they threw Hunico into the Sin Cara role so quickly he had NO time to adapt, he'd been playing the role of Hunico for so long in a completely different wrestling style previously then all of a sudden he was throw into the Sin Cara situation, which I do feel was a last minute thing ... I know this as I saw him at a house show a week or so as Hunico before he became Sin Cara, so he had to adapt here big time and was thrown in at the deep end.

 

[Oda Nobunaga]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

I'm going to answer and say the damage has been done already. The character no longer has value because for three years (with the exception of the first four months), the character has had no feuds, barely any mic time, and has been gone for lengthy periods of time. He's booked like this now because I guess WWE no longer cares now that the original has left and it's obvious that Hunico/Incognito, on his own, was never going to be anything in the WWE since they jobbed him out after having him lose his mask the first time (which was incredibly stupid, almost WCW level what they did to Mysterio, Psychosis, and Juvi). That's why Sin Cara is booked like crap. I can guess and say that Hunico is not being paid more than Mistico originally was, so the effort to see the returns is simply not there.

 

[Mountain Rushmore]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Last I read, he hasn't been moving merch anymore so that explains it.

For the record, I like Hunicara a lot.

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Last I read, he hasn't been moving merch anymore so that explains it.

For the record, I like Hunicara a lot.

This could be it, maybe they've given up on the character and his merch sales have declined since the original sin cara left, which is not even personal to Hunico either really if that's the case, it's probably to do with people just being fed up with the character on a whole due to all this.

Good thought there really.

I'm going to answer and say the damage has been done already. The character no longer has value because for three years (with the exception of the first four months), the character has had no feuds, barely any mic time, and has been gone for lengthy periods of time. He's booked like this now because I guess WWE no longer cares now that the original has left and it's obvious that Hunico/Incognito, on his own, was never going to be anything in the WWE since they jobbed him out after having him lose his mask the first time (which was incredibly stupid, almost WCW level what they did to Mysterio, Psychosis, and Juvi). That's why Sin Cara is booked like crap. I can guess and say that Hunico is not being paid more than Mistico originally was, so the effort to see the returns is simply not there.

Yep, as I mentioned in the quote above, I think maybe this is the case, it could have declined since the character has been so burnt out due to all the messing about and the booking it's received maybe?

Honestly, Hunico was great as Hunico, they should have actually given that character a much better push, but who else could have played the Sin Cara role better than Hunico at the time when they needed it, considering he did the whole black sin cara role not too long ago.

 

[alejbr4]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

well they should have had a match of blk cara vs sin cara loser is fired, the next night on raw just have blk cara call ppl out , have him sell merch as a masked heel, have el generico come up from nxt with what ever name they would change him to if he kept his mask and a new face masked wrestler sell his merch

mistico kept screwing up moves , while hunico is pretty good if given anything. and his merch prolly will start dropping since i bet most got it for mistico not hunico

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

well they should have had a match of blk cara vs sin cara loser is fired, the next night on raw just have blk cara call ppl out , have him sell merch as a masked heel, have el generico come up from nxt with what ever name they would change him to if he kept his mask and a new face masked wrestler sell his merch

mistico kept screwing up moves , while hunico is pretty good if given anything. and his merch prolly will start dropping since i bet most got it for mistico not hunico

Yep, I think this is pretty much what it is to be honest, interesting huh?

 

[Rick_James]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

I imagine if they booked the character better he could be a draw again.... perhaps they are trying to slowly phase him out, but pick up a little bit more cash before they do? I dunno lol.

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

I imagine if they booked the character better he could be a draw again.... perhaps they are trying to slowly phase him out, but pick up a little bit more cash before they do? I dunno lol.

That wouldn't be surprising lol I think Hunico was better as being Hunico really to be fair, he was just the man who could replace him the best after mistico's departure, however sudden that was.

 

[Rick_James]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

That wouldn't be surprising lol I think Hunico was better as being Hunico really to be fair, he was just the man who could replace him the best after mistico's departure, however sudden that was.

Yeah, to be honest I'm just glad Hunico is getting TV time, I thought he was great way before this Sin Cara stuff too.

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Yeah, to be honest I'm just glad Hunico is getting TV time, I thought he was great way before this Sin Cara stuff too.

Same here, this is where I completely defend him for this Sin Cara role when people have been critical towards it, the first week he was slower, I thought this before we all realised it was Hunico (I thought oh it's Sin Cara with a bit of extra weight (he's been out due to injury so expected) and oh he's got a new tattoo ... until I clicked) ... but then the following week or so he was up to speed, I remember significantly watching this and thinking this in regards to that.

I completely believe that Hunico was thrown into the deep end taking on this Sin Cara character after Mistico made his departure (remember it seemed like Mistico didn't realise from some tweet about him being in Mexico or something at the same time he was on TV), I saw Hunico only a couple of weeks before he was on TV playing Sin Cara .. as Hunico (alongside Camacho) and was well made up to see him as he hadn't been on TV in ages, then he appeared on Smackdown that week too (it was from the tour so he obviously got some TV time due to this) ... the next thing you know, he's in a mask and he's playing Sin Cara, which requires two totally different wrestling styles, they wouldn't have him playing Hunico while trying to get him back into the Sin Cara style ready for TV as it would just confuse him and be harder to adapt (as we saw).

However one thing he has proven is that Hunico can actually adapt pretty damn good, so WWE have got a great talent there within him without a doubt!!

 

[Dark_Raiden]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Hunicara's fat and slow compared to Misticara. It doesn't have the same appeal and the character loses a lot from it. Now why they didn't push Misticara and not saddle him with that horrible Sin Cara ***** vs. Sin Cara Azul feud? I have no idea.

 

[Simpsons Modern Life]

Re: If Sin Cara is such a great merchandise seller why is the character jobbed so muc

Hunicara's fat and slow compared to Misticara. It doesn't have the same appeal and the character loses a lot from it. Now why they didn't push Misticara and not saddle him with that horrible Sin Cara ***** vs. Sin Cara Azul feud? I have no idea.

Actually, Hunico is pretty damn good and doesn't botch up like how Mistico did.