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NXT fans are the hardcoriest kind of wrestling fan, the smarkiest of them all, the absolute nerds of wrestling.

NXT is not a show for me, or for everybody,but for them.. That shit is like a paradise, so they worship HHH as a god.
As you see in this thread, NXT fans don't understand that NXT product doesn't appeal every kind of wrestling fans.

It's true its a word apart, but not in the way you think.
I sorta agree. JDfromNY is like that (YouTube).

Anyone can get over with the NXT's hipster audience. NXT and the style of wrestling they do is going to weed out all the current stars I love who don't flip around like a jumping bean. I hate what it's going to do to wrestling because it's fans essentially want workrate and ROH/x division wrestling. That's never what the WWE has been. It's always been about stories and characters. Now it's about omg moments, 5star match ratings, flips and chants.
 

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HHH knows where the business is headed. And it's pure workrate coupled with no gimmicks or discernable characters. And here's a reason or three why he's embracing it:

1) The casual fanbase has largely ebbed away, leaving a hardcore fanbase that has been there and seen that. As much as they grew up on Hogan, Rock, and Austin they've evolved past larger than life characters. They want Johnny Gargano, not Macho Man

2) The hardcore fanbase has to be appeased for WWE to survive long-term. It's not about surging the audience with huge numbers of new casual fans. It's not needed anymore, and even if it was Levesque realizes that the business is cyclical anyway. WWE doesn't need a new boom period - they simply need to barely grow, and they do that by keeping their core audience happy.

3) A gimmick that might be viable now may not be acceptable for a publicly traded company in five years. So better not to have gimmicks or larger than life characters at all
 

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NXT fans are the hardcoriest kind of wrestling fan, the smarkiest of them all, the absolute nerds of wrestling.

NXT is not a show for me, or for everybody,but for them.. That shit is like a paradise, so they worship HHH as a god.
As you see in this thread, NXT fans don't understand that NXT product doesn't appeal every kind of wrestling fans.

It's true its a word apart, but not in the way you think.
I sorta agree. JDfromNY is like that (YouTube).

Anyone can get over with the NXT's hipster audience. NXT and the style of wrestling they do is going to weed out all the current stars I love who don't flip around like a jumping bean. I hate what it's going to do to wrestling because it's fans essentially want workrate and ROH/x division wrestling. That's never what the WWE has been. It's always been about stories and characters. Now it's about omg moments, 5star match ratings, flips and chants.
All fans regardless who they are want exciting matches not slow boring kicky punchy affairs filled with rest holds. Everyone still talks about Wrestlemania 17 or Summerslam 2002 today because matches were great...with takeover you get mania 17 in-ring quality 5 times a year.

And it's not just in-ring. Some of the best storylines and characters have come from nxt last 5 years like zayns year long climb from the very bottom to becoming champion then his best friend immediately turning on him or bayley coming back from broken hand to win title or dream spending months trying to get black just to acknowledge him and say his name or ciampa turning on his long time partner at the end of takeover Chicago..the last one had it been done on main roster would have happened at 10.25pm on raw in filler segment and nobody would have cared
 

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After HHH takes control of WWE, it will be interesting to see the company morph into a new-age version of Verne Gagne's AWA - but with higher production values.
 

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Some people would point out that Triple H had a series of great matches in 2000 when he was matched with Austin, Rock, Foley, Benoit, Angle, etc.

But there is no other counterargument and you are generally correct.
 

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1) The casual fanbase has largely ebbed away, leaving a hardcore fanbase that has been there and seen that. As much as they grew up on Hogan, Rock, and Austin they've evolved past larger than life characters. They want Johnny Gargano, not Macho Man
While I think this may be a sad reality, I believe that's rather a new generation of fans, the old school hardcore fans don't watch anymore and it's not interested on this indy shit.
 

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I don’t give a shit about what if theories so I am ignoring the first half of your troll post.

Triple H is the greatest heel of all time and you’re a fucking moron. Thanks.


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I guess you never heard of Hollywood Hogan or the nature boy ric flair
 

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After HHH takes control of WWE, it will be interesting to see the company morph into a new-age version of Verne Gagne's AWA - but with higher production values.
That's kinda what I fear. The WWE is going to become an indy centric company catering to the smark and indy fanbase, pushing 5"10 guys who dive around and look like emo ravers.
 

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Okay you nailed it. NXT is another thing I don't understand the hype for. For example, everybody told me that Nakamura vs Sami Zayn from Takeover Dallas was the greatest thing since sliced bread...and it was no doubt a very physical match. But that's all it was. I didn't understand what the story was supposed to be for why these guys were fighting, this was apparently Nakamura's WWE debut, yet the crowd is chanting "THIS IS AWESOME" at the first collar and elbow tie up. Why? Also worth noting both guys have been a total flop in front of a more mainstream audience.

Also most of the matches I've seen from NXT are the same thing recycled over and over. Spamming finishers and kickouts. Not impressive, sorry. What got me into professional wrestling was larger than life characters who hated each other and wanted to fight for a *reason*.

Again, maybe wrestling is just something different from when I began watching but I don't get this infatuation with the indie/NXT style.

"its a fight, not a dance" is the quote that sums up ricochet for me 10000%
 
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I don’t give a shit about what if theories so I am ignoring the first half of your troll post.

Triple H is the greatest heel of all time and you’re a fucking moron. Thanks.


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Who do you think you're impressing making posts like this? You're just making yourself look like a jackass.
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Agreed totally.

People have jumped onto HHH and treat him like he's some kind of savoir because he's gotten behind a few flippy Indy guys that everyone loves. But HHH has an even bigger ego than Vince has ever had. HHH with full power and no Vince to answer too means HHH will just interject himself into everything all the time. Look at recent history, every time someone get's hugely over HHH has to get involved, because he thinks if he's involved with as many stars as possible it'll make him into the Big Star he's always wanted to be. He crippled CM Punks momentum at the height of his popularity. He had to be the centerpeice around Daniel Bryan at the height of his popularity (to be fair HHH did great work in that feud, that was the last time he really delivered). He bogged a recently returned Brock Lesnar down in a drawn out three match feud. He teased a feud with Braun Strowman at the height of his popularity. And he even stuck his nose into Becky Lynch's popularity.

That's what HHH does, his ego means he always has to be involved with anything thats popular.

And onto who and what he pushes. He's literally just as bad as Vince McMahon when it comes to who he pushes. Vince prefers guys who look like Stars and HHH prefers workrate guys. But either way they're both close minded, and both exclusively push their guys and ignore everyone else. NXT is still full of wrestlers that get over, but dont get pushed because they don't fit into HHH's plans/ideas.
I'm going to go through a agree/disagree phase with this and explain why. One of the things Triple H has proven himself to be excellent at is promoting his wrestlers and the stories are a lot more fleshed out. The feuds have been consistently better and the wrestlers are given greater opportunity to not just grow as characters but he does an excellent job of hiding their flaws and putting them in better positions to succeed.

But...yeah, I can't deny that this man has been doing everything he can to put himself into what appears to be every hot act that goes on in the WWE. And it's even worse when you consider what he's doing now with Batista. And it's not like he isn't good at what he does. Vince was good at what he did when he put himself into storylines. But there needs to be a line drawn at some point and Triple H doesn't seem to get that. In many cases (apart from the Daniel Bryan thing where his role in the story benefited Bryan tremendously), he's causing more harm than good because he's missing the bigger picture.
 

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The guys from NXT flop because they're booked like absolute fucking garbage for the most part. I think things will at least improve under HHH, I'm not saying he's gonna bring WWE back to the glory days but I'm certain he could at least build a product which has various storylines which keep you hooked and not have people being a heel one week and a babyface the next.
 

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Indeed. Triple H is literally copying the work from the indies and just rehashes it with a WWE(or better yet, WWE NXT) stamp on it. Like, fuck off. If I wanted a bunch of marks performing 1009 moves in a 20 min match that should have lasted 10 tops then tho local gymnasium wrestling shows would be packed like it was the fucking apocalypse.
It doesn't fucking work Trips, let Avengers pull that high action stuff. Hell, let Lucha freaking U derground do it. You're presenting a real life sport competition inside a classic ring. No more no less. Have some fucking context my dude.
 

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His name is Vince McMahon. Vince doesnt know what to do with the guys/gals Triple H has made into superstars. Vince still wants beefcakes and guys who look the part. While HHH has invested into wrestling, and putting on quality matches. Vince is so into storylines and making sure you can cut a solid promo and sell merch.

HHH is praised because wrestling fans want good matches and great story telling. And HHH's baby NXT; is an example of someone who knows the business; wrestled in the business; is in the locker rooms daily, and has personal interactions with the talent on a daily basis.

HHH allows his guys/gals to be creative and perform. Vince doesnt touch NXT at all.
 

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Indeed. Triple H is literally copying the work from the indies and just rehashes it with a WWE(or better yet, WWE NXT) stamp on it. Like, fuck off. If I wanted a bunch of marks performing 1009 moves in a 20 min match that should have lasted 10 tops then tho local gymnasium wrestling shows would be packed like it was the fucking apocalypse.
It doesn't fucking work Trips, let Avengers pull that high action stuff. Hell, let Lucha freaking U derground do it. You're presenting a real life sport competition inside a classic ring. No more no less. Have some fucking context my dude.
Are you trying to be a wrestling purist? That has to be the most idiotic statement I have ever read. HHH is actually going out and grabbing talent who would be overlooked by Vince. Half or most of NXT are indy guys who have worked their ass off to get opportunities now; that didn't exist back then. HHH understands wrestling, and the fans.

Copying work form indies? Seriously... that made you sound so dumb and pathetic.
 

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We have good reason to believe HHH will be a great successor to Vince because we have Nxt as a measuring stick. Conspire all you want but one fact remains... NXT takeovers have been must see for the past few years. A track record like that is more than enough for people to have faith in him.

In fact, it looks worse when people completely ignore his track record in NXT. Given 100 percent creative control over the main roster, its hard to not see him doing the same.

As a performer HHH may not be on the same level as the GOATs but he is definitely in the class just under that. Hes still a legend and anyone disputing that is just a hater. Plain and simple.

Keep in mind im saying this as someone who completely hated HHH growing up. But looking from an objective point of view its easy to see why he garners praise
 

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The talent from NXT has floundered because they've been taken away from Triple H and put under Vince's control. How is that a mark against Triple H?

What ACTUAL talent has passed through NXT that he has let his ego get in the way of making a name of? Closest I can think of is Ember Moon, but she just had the poor misfortune of coming along when Asuka was at a peak so monstrous it would have been a mistake to knock her off.

Yes, as a wrestler he's not all that his peers have made him out to be, but I don't think anyone here buys into that hype, nor many outside of the WWE. It was just 15 years ago when he was still working full time when he was the most reviled man in the wrestling universe. The hype around him is based entirely around him as a showrunner, and in that department he is and has been on fire for years with a revolving door of talent at his disposal.
 
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