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There's a very simple explanation to this:
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How can TNA book so horribly in such a short space of time ???
I don't think it is any secret that one of the main problems that TNA has always had is in their booking and creative teams who really struggle at times and have problems in continuing when they have done well. A good example is going into Bound For Glory when despite it not being the best run in to the biggest PPV in TNA they were doing well and the whole "They" angle had momentum and did have people interested in it but from Bound For Glory through to now the booking in TNA has been abysmal and i don't understand how TNA can book so badly in such a short space of time in between the middle of October and now.
Since Bound For Glory we have seen Fortune become a joke and dominated by Doug Williams and Matt Morgan despite the fact that Fortune were probably the best thing in TNA, we have also seen The Motor City Machine Guns momentum just suddenly stop when the tag team division in the company has been on fire for a good six months. The main event scene seems pointless with Jeff Hardy, Matt Morgan, Mr Anderson and Rob Van Dam seemingly involved in a storyline with each other but with barely any interaction with each other and the X Division has gone even further backwards then before Bound For Glory.
After putting so much into the whole "They" storyline we have seen Immortal as quite possibly the worst main event stable ever with Jeff Hardy around some of the time but Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff never around and Jeff Jarrett now somehow an "MMA specialist" with Abyss now a fan of casket's and being used as a complete Undertaker/Kane rip off. So much was put into the build up to Immortal that a stable of Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett and Abyss as it's only in ring characters is a joke and the fact that they have been so far from dominant despite the fact they apparently now run the company is an even bigger joke.
Surely someone within TNA management can see what we see on tv and in the crowd and they can see that what is being put out on screen is pure garbage outside of in the ring between AJ Styles and Doug Williams which is the only reason to even watch Impact right now. Now this is not an anti Vince Russo thread because he is not the only one on the booking and creative team but how TNA can go from putting out a show that makes me want to watch on a weekly basis without fail leading into Bound For Glory in mid October to me not being able to watch without recording and fast forwarding through almost the whole show belies belief and surely now major changes have to be made to the booking and creative team as the current one with Vince Russo, Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan is clearly not up to the task at all and TNA are going backwards rapidly despite having better in ring workers than WWE.
Since Bound For Glory we have seen Fortune become a joke and dominated by Doug Williams and Matt Morgan despite the fact that Fortune were probably the best thing in TNA, we have also seen The Motor City Machine Guns momentum just suddenly stop when the tag team division in the company has been on fire for a good six months. The main event scene seems pointless with Jeff Hardy, Matt Morgan, Mr Anderson and Rob Van Dam seemingly involved in a storyline with each other but with barely any interaction with each other and the X Division has gone even further backwards then before Bound For Glory.
After putting so much into the whole "They" storyline we have seen Immortal as quite possibly the worst main event stable ever with Jeff Hardy around some of the time but Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff never around and Jeff Jarrett now somehow an "MMA specialist" with Abyss now a fan of casket's and being used as a complete Undertaker/Kane rip off. So much was put into the build up to Immortal that a stable of Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett and Abyss as it's only in ring characters is a joke and the fact that they have been so far from dominant despite the fact they apparently now run the company is an even bigger joke.
Surely someone within TNA management can see what we see on tv and in the crowd and they can see that what is being put out on screen is pure garbage outside of in the ring between AJ Styles and Doug Williams which is the only reason to even watch Impact right now. Now this is not an anti Vince Russo thread because he is not the only one on the booking and creative team but how TNA can go from putting out a show that makes me want to watch on a weekly basis without fail leading into Bound For Glory in mid October to me not being able to watch without recording and fast forwarding through almost the whole show belies belief and surely now major changes have to be made to the booking and creative team as the current one with Vince Russo, Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan is clearly not up to the task at all and TNA are going backwards rapidly despite having better in ring workers than WWE.
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Its not only the booking, its also the IZ that makes the show look bush league, pushing IWC darlings and the casual fans dont like them at all.
Abyss isnt doing anything since his feud with Pope.
Dont mention the IZ crowd again, they only mark for SPOTZZZ.
And you want Immortal as dominant as the MEM? Didnt you learn the lesson that making a top stable too dominant makes the fans dont give a shit about the babyfaces?
And the WWE has better workers than TNA, they dont rely on SPOTZZ and the same old shit.
You're a funny guy , man.
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100% Agree with OP. The only thing worth watching on TNA right now is the AJ/Williams feud. I remember a few years ago when TNA was making constantly better TV and PPVs then WWE, they didn't do it by booking ridiculous stables in nonsensical rivalries, they did it by showcasing what they did have and that was superior wrestling talent. But then Russo came along...
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Another TNA hating thread. Seriously? All you guys do is complain and hate TNA. No matter what TNA does they can never satisfy you guys. It's better than that PG WWE shit. WWE's booking is worse than TNA's.
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There is no doubting that the impact zone doesn't do TNA any favours but then that can be forgotten about if TNA could book something that makes people want to watch. I highly doubt the first thing people take notice of when WWE does something well is how big the arena is as it is the character's in the ring that get the reactions and that sell the tickets and for me AJ Styles is much better to watch than Randy Orton.
I also didn't mean for Immortal to be the all conquering stable that The New World Order was in between 1996 and 1997 but this is a stable that has kayfabe the control of the company with Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff but is always looking weaker than the people they are feuding with. What was the point of the whole "They" angle if it was all just to shock people with a Jeff Hardy heel turn and then have him and the stable look even weaker than they did before Bound For Glory.
The fact is that the booking team honestly believed that having Jeff Hardy turn heel would do big business despite the fact that he has no pedigree as a top heel whereas turning Kurt Angle would have done a hell of a lot better long term and Mr Anderson is portrayed as someone who can't be trusted so would have made sense kayfabe. Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo believe that one off shock value is a better bet than stable long term ratings with proven characters in a certain role and turning Jeff Hardy may have been the single biggest mistake on screen in TNA history because no one cares and his off screen problems are turning people off as they no longer care about Jeff Hardy at all.
If it wasn't for AJ Styles and Doug Williams i would no longer even watch Impact because since Bound For Glory the product has been horrible with great booking decisions like turning Matt Morgan face when he was becoming a great heel or having The Beautiful People almost monopolise the whole Knockout's division or give Jeff Jarrett an MMA gimmick or have Samoa Joe become a bitch for everyone to go over or release Hamada and Taylor Wilde or split up Team 3D and allow them to be singles wrestler's, i could go on and on but i'm getting dizzy.
The reality is that looking back at TNA in the last few years they have been so much better than WWE in terms of match quality on tv or at PPV's and now that WWE have lost Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho with The Undertaker only being around for WrestleMania we have seen WWE lose there best people for match quality whilst TNA has AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, The Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money, Doug Williams, Jay Lethal, Frankie Kazarian and Desmond Wolfe who are all able of pulling of a true classic. TNA need to go back to basics rather than signing more and more ex WWE wrestler's and trying to be a carbon copy of WWE or rather WWE lite because they probably have more wrestler's capable of having a true classic than WWE do.
TNA may be better than WWE in regards to the way their product is shown and the fact that TNA is not put out for the children but WWE have people on their roster who are HUGE stars and make people tune in to watch just because they are on Raw or SmackDown whereas TNA has great in ring workers, a few great all round talents and a terrible booking team. Going into Bound For Glory i was satisfied because i thought to myself we are about to see a stable in the mould of The New World Order come out of this with Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan as heel's alongside one of either Kurt Angle who is one of the best heel's of all time and a big star or Mr Anderson who has potential to be a great main event heel and would represent a change and i truly believed that TNA were ready to move to the next level but i was horribly wrong.
TNA as a product right now only beats WWE because it isn't PG but that is as far as it goes and i want TNA to be better than WWE, can you honestly tell me that right now with a face Matt Morgan against a heel Jeff Hardy as the main event of the two previous PPV's is really watchable and if so then you are by far a more patient man than i am. All the good work that TNA had set up and all the momentum they had going into Bound For Glory has all gone now and they are now going backwards rapidly but yet are too stubborn to admit it and Dixie Carter would rather see TNA go out of business before admitting she is wrong and change the set up backstage because she really believes that Hulk Hogan is still a major player in the game and that Vince Russo can still pull out storylines and angles like in 1998 and 1999 despite the fact he was working alongside Vince McMahon who filtered everything he was given by Russo and despite the fact Eric Bischoff only ever did two things in wrestling in stealing The New World Order idea from Japan and also create Goldberg is lauded as a genius.
They do?
Who?
TNA hasn't really built any of my "darlings" (or at least ANY TNA-branded guy) for multiple years. And currently they don't even push Joe or AJ (who currently suck due to their weak personalities).
Instead they push Hardy and RVD. Meh. Typical TNA kneefall to WWE.
They push Matt Morgan. Ugh. This boring big dude who never has really enhance someone else, hence never earned my respect as a viewer.
And they are back on pushing Jeff Jarrett, which made me put a metaphoric gun at my head and blast away the remaining (raped & broken) piece of me that still (STILL!) was a TNA fan, like one of those stupid bitches, who still love the man who has been treating them like shit for 8 years.
TNA suck big time. They always did, but it has been much more awful since BFG. Even if you consider the air time for Doug Williams a push "for a IWC darling" (and, btw, I personally didn't enjoy his character before I stopped watching), then you really look at the wrong place. He's not in the first line. The poor main event is what makes TNA even worse than terrible. Blame Hogan, Bischoff, Van Dam, Jarrett, Morgan ... or rather: the whole corrupt management!
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Yes they can, once they ditch anyone over 40, bring in Shimmer to bring the KO divisions back to life and turn Impact into Reaction, catch my drift?
as far as booking goes its pretty even at this point
casual fans dont even like wrestling, so f*** 'em
I heard them chanting "youve still got it" to Sting after he BEAT SAMOA JOE FOR THE WORLD TITLE
they dont rely on SPOTZ, if they cant fly they'll do classic catch as catch can move for move with mininal useage of punches
on average TNA still has the better guys becasue THEY ACTUALLY SHOWCASE WRESTLING MOVES, WWE are the ones that do the same old s*** with all the headlocks restholds and punches slug pace and nameless meatheads never amounting to anything across the board and comedy acts that dont belong on a wrestling show
Before you bring up Drago Americano, SCOTT HALL, MVP and ORLANDO f*****g JORDON held the US belt once, does that mean they were bound for the world title?
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Funny, I think the exact same thing about you in every TNA live PPV discussion thread.
On topic, I lost interest in TNA a couple of weeks after Bound for Glory. Leading up to it I was more interested in TNA than I have been in a wrestling company in a long time. Despite controversy from this forum regarding the main event I thought it was very well executed and thoroughly entertaining. After the PPV though it was like creative just couldn't be assed to carry on with what they started when I really thought it would be the turning point (no pun intended) for the company. I mean, here we have probably the biggest pro-wrestling angle in the past few years, played out well I might add, then had it fall flat on it's ass the following week.
TNA never ceases to bewilder me with how they fuck things up.
Another example is Jeff Hardy, say what you want about him but he is the only man that has come close (and arguably actually doing it at one stage) to toppling Cena in the popularity list. Someone who was the most over professional wrestler on the planet in 2008-mid'09, signed by a company yet as if by some miraculous occurrence of idiocy, manage to NOT capitalize on it due to booking or whatever the hell you want to blame for it.
You can call me a TNA hater or whatever, but when I returned to watching pro-wrestling, I LOVED and hell actually PREFERRED TNA to WWE, now it's transferred itself to nothing but a glorified indy.
TNA is going to be in a world of hurt when Hardy, Angle, and of the veterans whose status TNA is riding on such as Nash and Sting leave the company for good.
Show me anyone who isn't a long-term TNA fan and basically is a casual who gives a fuck about AJ Styles or Samoa Joe (for the record, I think they're brilliant) and i'll give you a blowjob.
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Seriously dude, I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like indy wrestlers, but TNA isn't actually PUSHING any IWC favorites. The closest thing to an exception is Kaz, and he is neither an IWC darling nor all that indy (mediocre personality and mic skills does NOT automatically make somebody indy).
Featuring them on the show as secondary/tetriary characters does NOT diminish fan interest in the show if those fans ALREADY have a reason for watching (i.e. interesting personalities in the ME and having said personalities involved in something actually exciting). And besides, practically every wrestler on the roster that doesn't come off as indy aside from Magnus is already being used in a capacity.
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Weren't you the same clown who basically every week ran down everything to the point of you supposedly never watching TNA again? And what does WWE doing or not doing have anything to do with TNA?
This isn't the first time TNA's completely botched a major storyline and it won't be the last, it's just now Hogan/Bischoff/Russo messing things up instead of Jarrett/Mantell/Russo.
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I agree 100%. TNA is unwatchable right now. They have 0 Divisions. I mean they obviously have divisions but they seem so empty. The KOs division has Tara/James, the Tag division has MCMGs/Enter Tag Name Here, The X division has Robbie E/Lethal, the TV title division has Styles/Williams, and the World title divsion has Hardy/Anderson/RVD/Morgan kind of. I miss 2005/2006 TNA. They had the amazing X Division with guys like Joe/Daniels/AJ. They had a great Tag Team Division with LAX/Team 3D/Triple X/AMW. They even had a good Mainevent scene, with Jarrett/Christian/Angle/Sting/Abyss. And when the Knockouts Division came to be, Gail Kim and Awesome Kong were tearing the house down, week after week. TNA lacks substance.
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It’s simple. No planning. They never flesh out an idea and see it through to the end. Everything is booked like a band-aid solution. It’s just so haphazard.
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Machine Guns as the tag champions,Fortune.
And its unbelievable that TNA has been giving AJ Styles tons of screen time, despite he will never be a draw.
When he won the title the ratings were going below the .9 mark and TNA near to go out of business.
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I don't think i have ever agree with a post more than i have yours in my whole time on these forums but everything you said is everything that i feel about TNA as a company now and have done since the first couple of Impact's after Bound For Glory because since then the booking team has completely fallen apart and right now there is not even one hald decent storyline in TNA and if it wasn't for the Styles/Williams matches TNA wouldn't even be watchable at all. Right now watching TNA is worse than WCW in 2000-2001 and what is really worrying is that WCW were at their worst then and about to go out of business whilst TNA actually believe they are doing well and moving forward.
Going into Bound For Glory i was so excited about a heel turn for both Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan alongside a New World Order esque stable with either Mr Anderson and Kurt Angle at the helm and a few others involved and whilst i have never been a fan of turning Jeff Hardy heel the fact remains that it wouldn't have mattered if we had gone back in time and Hulk Hogan himself turned heel because TNA just have not followed any of it up and have gone backwards rapidly. They had a real chance to close some of the gap on WWE because outside of Cena/Nexus we were not seeing anything in WWE and the whole "They" angle had me watching every week without fail but in the space of a couple of months TNA have managed to spin me 180 and turn me away completely.
As said in Jeff Hardy they have the man closest to John Cena in being the most over star in the entire wrestling industry and whilst not as popular mainstream as John Cena is Jeff Hardy in between late 2007 and mid 2009 was the most popular wrestler in the world and absolutely on fire. When he left WWE in mid 2009 he was HUGE so when he turned up in TNA despite his off screen problems there was a HUGE opportunity for TNA to get some mainstream appeal and finally have a big enough star to draw in ratings for them but they messed up and now because of his heel turn they have missed the boat probably for good much like they did at the start of this year when AJ Styles was on the grasp of being a major star which Kurt Angle even alluded to as a HUGE mistake and as they did with Samoa Joe as well.
I have actually also prefered TNA over WWE for a while but somehow TNA always seem to mess that up again and again which is always down to their booking because when they do something right they sit there and admire what they have done rather than add to it and keep the momentum. What really worries me is that they have someone like Kurt Angle who is probably the best all round in ring performer in the world on their roster and also someone like Sting who might be past his best but has been the biggest draw in TNA histpry and still a good one now who are coming to the end of their career's and with the state of TNA they are not going to be able to get replacements for them on the same scale.
In AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Jeff Hardy, Desmond Wolfe, Abyss, Matt Morgan as a heel, Mr Anderson, Beer Money, The Motor City Machine Guns, Generation Me, Doug Williams, Jay Lethal, The Pope, Frankie Kazarian and Brian Kendrick added to Kurt Angle and Sting they have more than enough talent for the in ring side of things to move forward but TNA just can not book for shit and this has been a long term problem for years but has got much worse this year. I think even Stevie Wonder could see that Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo doesn't work and any of them on their own would only be even worse as if they can't come up with decent booking as a trio then what hope do they have on their own but Dixie Carter really needs to sort this out or question her own position because she can not make the decisions that the company needs.
I am not one of those who believes Paul Heyman is the saviour of wrestling but if i was Dixie Carter i would get down on my knee's, offer whatever money they wanted and then beg for Paul Heyman and Gabe Sapolsky to come in as a duo with Tommy Dreamer and maybe Raven working under them because they are said to have very good minds for the business but also they are younger and current so in time under Paul Heyman may be the future of the booking and creative team. Dixie Carter's problem though is that she believes she know's more about running a wrestling company than anyone else because she has hired almost everyone at some point to help her out and can not admit when she is wrond, she is a spoilt little girl who only knows how to spend daddys money and has now messed that up so much her mum has been called in to sort out the financial problems in TNA.
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This is only one of the many diseases TNA has, but a big one nonethless. A heel Orlando Jordan was cheered there at one time so thats all the proof you need of it being a cancer.
The the major, HUGE cancer in TNA is none other than this person:
Yes this sexy ass milf needs to go. The only reason Vince Russo is still employed is because of HER. The only reason Hulk Hogan and that overrated prick Eric Bischoff have anything more than a minor backstage role is because of HER. The reason we don't see Paul Heyman today in TNA is because of HER.
Dixie is the cancer. Untill her father realizes that his little daughter is taking one huge shit over the wrestling business, only then will things ever turn around in TNA.
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