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Who cares. Goldberg did bigger business with two moves than all thse Geeks ever will combined.
Who cares if Goldberg did bigger business? That doesn't mean that he's a better overall talent than anyone on the current roster nor does it mean that he's automatically more entertaining than everyone in the company today for every fan.

I'll never get why folks are so obsessed with drawing ability and only STARS when they can just be entertained by their favorite wrestlers whether they are stars or not.

People need to get over this workrate obsession, its part of why Pro Wrestling sucks so badly today.
They really shouldn't get over it. People are allowed to like wrestling.
 

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Goldberg is a product of what great booking can do for someone who has size..

Goldberg in his prime couldn't work, dangerous in ring couldn't talk all he had was good booking and when that went away so did his revelancy.
 

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Everyone in NXT is a better worker than Goldberg. The dude is Trash.
And? What the hell does that mean. Being a good worker means nothing in the grand scheme of things, that's why we are in the position we are in now. Goldberg has intensity and charisma that cannot be touched. I'd take him over a so called good worker any day of the week.
 

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Goldberg is a product of what great booking can do for someone who has size..

Goldberg in his prime couldn't work, dangerous in ring couldn't talk all he had was good booking and when that went away so did his revelancy.
Saying good booking was the only reason Goldberg was over is inaccurate. The booking helped, but he got over, because he was one of the most charismatic personalities to ever step in a wrestling ring. His matches were pure hype and energy. He had the look, he had the presence, he had the aura of something special around him. He was up there with Austin in summer 1998. He probably had top 10 peak ever. Not bad for a guy who can't wrestle and despises the business. So him criticizing some random guy is like Kevin Durant criticizing Jodie Meeks. The other guy should be happy he got acknowledged and move on. It's a rub in a disrespectful way.
 
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Who cares. Goldberg did bigger business with two moves than all thse Geeks ever will combined.
Who cares if Goldberg did bigger business? That doesn't mean that he's a better overall talent than anyone on the current roster nor does it mean that he's automatically more entertaining than everyone in the company today for every fan.

I'll never get why folks are so obsessed with drawing ability and only STARS when they can just be entertained by their favorite wrestlers whether they are stars or not.

People need to get over this workrate obsession, its part of why Pro Wrestling sucks so badly today.
They really shouldn't get over it. People are allowed to like wrestling.
You can pretty much say the same about Lesnar, yet it absolutely does matter that he is better business than the flippy geeks we have today.

Goldberg’s 2 moves matches with Lesnar for me we’re more entertaining than any Balor or Aj Styles match I ever seen, and so are all Lesnars and Goldbergs matches.

To each their own as people watch wrestling for different reasons . I watch it for storylines, larger than life looks and big feats of strength moves which Lesnar and Goldberg delivers .

The Lesnar vs Kofi match was more entertaining to me than any other Kofi match I ever seen

I couldn’t care less about seeing flippy fake moves from guys who have 0 fighting skills performing moves that are completely unrealistic and unpractical in any real fight and that half of those moves depends on the opponent actively helping them perform them.

Give me good storylines with 5 min matches and I will be more than happy.
 

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This comment highlights everything that's wrong with today's wrestling.
I don’t know how many forums you’ve seen... but which wrestling forum has ever been held in some mythical “high praise” as the barometer of what’s right or wrong in pro wrestling?

How is what you see in this thread any better or worse than another thread where someone has paused Xbox one for a minute just to post how the next episode of raw or smack down should be written, and how the entire WWE personnel has ‘no clue’.

Thanks though.
 

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Goldberg is a product of what great booking can do for someone who has size..

Goldberg in his prime couldn't work, dangerous in ring couldn't talk all he had was good booking and when that went away so did his revelancy.
Nonsensical revisionist history. The fans still loved Goldberg even after his loss to Nash. But the titanic was already sinking at that point for 1 million reasons, including but not limited to WCWs insanely stupid handling of Goldberg.

No one has ever been smashed over to the extent that Goldberg has. You say that all you have to do is smash a guy over in squashes to get him over, but name another example where a guy has gotten half as over doing it as Goldberg has. And he did it beating up enhancement talent half of the time, guys like Jerry Flynn, Mike Enos, Roadblock, etc. The squash match is a skill and Goldberg was the best ever at it. Almost no one in the history of the business had the combination of intensity, look, charisma, it factor, athleticism, strength, and believably that Goldberg had. Lol at great booking being the only reason Goldberg got over, the WWE could move the Sun, the Moon, Heaven and Hell itself and they couldn't get guys like Adam Cole or Keith Lee a fraction of a fraction as over as Bill was in 1999, 2003, 2016, or even 2019, let alone 1997 or 1998 where he was arguably the hottest act in the business and just as over as Austin. Hell, even in 2000 when WCW was all but dead and he had that awful heel turn, he was still more over than any of those jabronis will ever be in their lives. There is a reason why WWE has to call up Rock, Austin, Goldberg to pop and number and get people talking. It's because these nobodies don't have it. Half of these guys masquerading as main eventers wouldn't have even been allowed to break into the business 20-35 years ago, and somehow they're on top. That's why the business is fucked.
 

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He's right, though... That's exactly how I view NXT as well. They're a developmental brand and until they come to the main roster I don't care to see anything they do since it doesn't mean anything

Goldberg may have been dismissive, but someone of his stature should only be facing the legends and the stars nowadays, not geeks that even the majority of the fan base doesn't even know exist yet
 

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These fucking indy, vanilla midget, flippy workrate geeks really are destroying the business. It's honestly pathetic to watch like 85-90% of any wrestling promotion nowadays because all the care about is getting themselves over to a bunch of fat, neckbearded, smelly losers who are only spending their parents money to go to these events and pretend like its real, which is even more pathetic in itself.

Riddle better enjoy being irrelevant, because that's all he is, and Goldberg even acknowledging his existence should be considered the highlight of his shitty career. Maybe if he tried being more of a charismatic, larger than life star like Goldberg, he would have amounted to more in his career by now than being stuck in the midget leagues of NXT.
 

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I don’t know how many forums you’ve seen... but which wrestling forum has ever been held in some mythical “high praise” as the barometer of what’s right or wrong in pro wrestling?

How is what you see in this thread any better or worse than another thread where someone has paused Xbox one for a minute just to post how the next episode of raw or smack down should be written, and how the entire WWE personnel has ‘no clue’.

Thanks though.
What?

All I meant was that fans and people working in WWE who actually believe that we need "workers" like Matt Riddle, Ricochet and all the NXT Marshall Law wannabes instead of guys like fucking Bill Goldberg because he can't work a five star match according to Dave Meltzer is exactly why wrestling isn't mainstream anymore, why arenas are empty, why TV ratings are terrible.
 

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Be one of the biggest draws for A LONG TIME.

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That's virtually impossible considering HE DIDN'T wrestle for a long time

But Goldberg never stopped being a big draw as long as he was on top.
Goldberg didn't draw after the streak was broken. If he never stopped being a big draw then why WCW lose so much money and go out of business ?

It's hilarious smarks here are dissing NXT and praising Goldberg but NXT sold more tickets for their biggest events in 2018-19 than WCW did in late 2000-01 with Goldberg in top matches.

New Blood Rising August 2000 attendance 6,614
Fall Brawl September 2000 attendance 8,638
Halloween Havoc October 2000 attendance 7,582
Mayhem November 2000 attendance 3,800
Starrcade December 2000 attendance 6,596
Sin January 2001 attendance 6,617

In comparison
Takeover Toronto attendance 13,735
Takeover 25 attendance 6,000
Takeover NYC attendance 15,697
Takeover Phoenix attendance 9,000
Takeover Wargames attendance 13,598
Takeover Brooklyn 4 attendance 14,676

. That's why the business is fucked.
Wrestling has now 7 hours on prime time on top two cable channels and a weekly live show on network tv for the first time ever.

Yes clearly the business is fucked lol
 

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Wrestling has now 7 hours on prime time on top two cable channels and a weekly live show on network tv for the first time ever.

Yes clearly the business is fucked lol
And they draw nothing. They're benefiting from this new era of TV rights fees where live programming is highly subsidized. They've lost like half their fanbase in the last 5 or so years.
 
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