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Who wins the Presidential Election 2020?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 43 43.0%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 57 57.0%
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Biden will be fine. He's running more on what he's not than what he is.

He's not Donald Trump, that gets a large percentage of the electorate on his side already. He's not a socialist, he's not going to defund or abolish the police, that gets the wavering Republicans who can't stomach Trump on board. He's not responsible for letting the Coronavirus kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. He's not seen as an idiot throughout the world. The same is true for Kamala Harris. That's why he's got a very healthy lead in the polls, not because people think he's a great public speaker or a master debater.

Even if Biden loses the debate badly - and there's no guarantee of that by the way, Trump isn't the world's most coherent speaker, it would be very easy to pick out clips of him sounding like an idiot - none of Biden's main selling points are going to change. He's still the alternative candidate to a deeply unpopular President. You could run any old idiot and they'd stand a good chance.
 

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It’s very simple. Donald J Trump has replaced Carter as the worst president ever. In four years he has made us the laughing stock of the world and has broken so many promises.

Failed to get a repeal and/or replacement for Obamacare.

No time for golf...over $136 million in taxpayer dollars spent on his own golf courses...more golfing then Obama did in 8 years.

Seeing 4% growth. Never came close.

The wall wasn’t fully built and what was built Mexico didn’t pay for, we did.

Would protect Social Security. If he is re-elected he has said he will permanently do away with the payroll tax, which finances it and Medicare. By 2023 SS would be gone.

He promised to eliminate the federal deficit. He has increased it by 60%.

He promised to lock up his good personal family friend Hillary. She hasn’t been locked up but Trump uses his personal cell phone and his family members have used private emails for business.

He promised to bring our troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq. They are still there.

He promised to end North Korea’s Nike program. KJU has expanded it.

He promised to cut the trade deficit between us and China. It has expanded and obviously he hasn’t accomplished anything.

The Paris Accord...he promised to renegotiate. Didn’t happen.

He promised to renegotiate the nuclear deal with Iran. They are back on track and we were on the brink of war before he wimped out.

Our alliés or pity us. Our enemies laugh at us.

He promised to get the Deep State out and drain the swamp. He has become the Deep State and he is the swamp now.

He failed to address the pandemic until it hit us in the face. Nearly 200,000 dead and counting. He has no plan for mitigation or testing.

This man doesn’t deserve another term. Period
 

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How hilarious. Trump has gone back to the tired trope of endless wars and the Military Industrial Complex. Trump fully embraced the MIC with the rebuilding of the military and bragging about how wonderful it was. Now he has turned on the folks he hired. Not to mention our troops are still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Only thing he has done is promise to draw numbers down to Obama-era levels.,
 

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Almost every world leaders were downplaying the severity of the virus initially. Beating him with that stick is an easy out for his cult. Beat him for being one of the few idiots that doubled down on downplaying the severity when it became clear that the pandemic was not going away. Competent leaders used the time bought by downplaying the virus in public to build up infrastructure to handle an increase in expected number of hospitalization. Your president used the time bought to plot to harm citizens in blue states because it would make blue state leaders look bad.
 

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Almost every world leaders were downplaying the severity of the virus initially. Beating him with that stick is an easy out for his cult. Beat him for being one of the few idiots that doubled down on downplaying the severity when it became clear that the pandemic was not going away. Competent leaders used the time bought by downplaying the virus in public to build up infrastructure to handle an increase in expected number of hospitalization. Your president used the time bought to plot to harm citizens in blue states because it would make blue state leaders look bad.
The thing is, I can understand downplaying the virus to allay fears, stop panic buying etc, and as you say most leaders did the same - but the way Trump downplayed the seriousness of it all was a foolish mistake. For example there was no reason to not publicly wear a mask and endorse the use of masks until it was far to late. (WHO should take a lot of he blame for this also for their dishonesty.) I don't really agree with your second point though - the US has done pretty well in terms of their mortality rate and a lot of that is due to the Federal government producing ventilators and supplying facilities / space for Blue states, namely New York. So I don't think there was a plot by any means to make anyone look bad - more that Trump has tried to escape from looking bad himself.

It's strange really because in many ways he took strong decisive action, for example stopping flights from China and then later Europe actually bought the US several extra weeks to start preparing it's response, and then the countries hospitals were generally pretty well prepared to combat the virus. However overall his response has to be considered weak. He basically avoided a coordinated policy to stop the virus' spread in favour of allowing the governors to make their own policies. In hindsight that was a mistake. It allows Trump and his most hardline supporters to say that any huge issues in a state, such as a New York was not his fault and that it's due to the Governors' response. That is true to an extent and Governors, especially those who ignored advice such as Florida, or who led a terrible disjointed response such as New York, should not escape blame for their mistakes - but ultimately the buck lies with the President and the lack of a coordinated response to the pandemic.

I don't think it really matters (other than for the election of course :p) in that this virus is unstoppable. I lived in China when the pandemic first started and was their until February. They are the only country (except some isolated islands) that could deal with this virus and totally eliminate it. Even then they are probably lying because the CCP lie about everything. Our countries citizenry are not compliant enough to stop the virus' spread and our governments are too unwilling to implement the totalitarian policies necessary to stop the spread. I am ok with that. Even countries like Spain which saw some of the most severe lockdowns, now is doing really badly once again. Until there is a vaccine we just need to accept the situation as serious as it is.
 

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The thing is, I can understand downplaying the virus to allay fears, stop panic buying etc, and as you say most leaders did the same - but the way Trump downplayed the seriousness of it all was a foolish mistake. For example there was no reason to not publicly wear a mask and endorse the use of masks until it was far to late. (WHO should take a lot of he blame for this also for their dishonesty.) I don't really agree with your second point though - the US has done pretty well in terms of their mortality rate and a lot of that is due to the Federal government producing ventilators and supplying facilities / space for Blue states, namely New York. So I don't think there was a plot by any means to make anyone look bad - more that Trump has tried to escape from looking bad himself.
What are you smoking? New York was crying for more help early on in the pandemic that was met with states should buy their own medical supplies. The federal government encouraged states to compete with each other to stock up on emergency supplies and seized them from some states when they did as told.

It's strange really because in many ways he took strong decisive action, for example stopping flights from China and then later Europe actually bought the US several extra weeks to start preparing it's response, and then the countries hospitals were generally pretty well prepared to combat the virus. However overall his response has to be considered weak. He basically avoided a coordinated policy to stop the virus' spread in favour of allowing the governors to make their own policies. In hindsight that was a mistake. It allows Trump and his most hardline supporters to say that any huge issues in a state, such as a New York was not his fault and that it's due to the Governors' response. That is true to an extent and Governors, especially those who ignored advice such as Florida, or who led a terrible disjointed response such as New York, should not escape blame for their mistakes - but ultimately the buck lies with the President and the lack of a coordinated response to the pandemic.
He didn't stop flights from China. He stopped Chinese citizens from entering China. I'll give you that he did stop travel to and fro Europe. However he messed up the announcement too because he can't even read a prompter correctly, leading to confusion in the initial few hours. It wasn't a mistake in hindsight to allow states to make their own rules. It was deliberate to let the blue states or states with democratic governors suffer so his political opponents look bad in handling the crisis. Almost like the idiots in charge didn't know virus don't care about man-made borders and can travel from state to state without a uniform policy.

I don't think it really matters (other than for the election of course :p) in that this virus is unstoppable. I lived in China when the pandemic first started and was their until February. They are the only country (except some isolated islands) that could deal with this virus and totally eliminate it. Even then they are probably lying because the CCP lie about everything. Our countries citizenry are not compliant enough to stop the virus' spread and our governments are too unwilling to implement the totalitarian policies necessary to stop the spread. I am ok with that. Even countries like Spain which saw some of the most severe lockdowns, now is doing really badly once again. Until there is a vaccine we just need to accept the situation as serious as it is.
China locked the fk down on Wuhan man. No other countries or cities went to that drastic a measure. Between that or simply wearing a cloth mask when interacting with people not living with me to slow the spread of the virus, the choice is simple.
 

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I'll believe Biden/Harris get in when I see it. Last time it was a certainty that Trump would lose. This time is starting to look the same. But we can't trust polls.

The thing is Trump's fans are well organised and will vote come rain hail or shine. Can we say the same for Biden supporters?
 
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