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“Put your hands up, show me your hands,” the officer said before firing a shot — all in less than four seconds.


A black woman was shot and killed by police inside her own home early Saturday morning in Fort Worth, Texas, after her neighbor called a non-emergency police number for a wellness check on her.

Atatiana Koquice Jefferson, 28, was killed in a bedroom at the home at around 2:30 a.m., according to the Tarrant County Medical Examiner.

In a statement, the Fort Worth Police Department said that officers from its central division responded to a call at 2:25 a.m. and searched the perimeter of the house on the 1200 block of East Allen Avenue.

One officer, after seeing someone through the window of the home, drew his weapon and fired one shot, killing the woman.

“The individual, a black female, who resides at the residence succumbed to her injuries and was pronounced deceased on the scene,” read the Fort Worth PD’s statement. “The officer, a white male who has been with the department since April of 2018, has been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome [of] the critical police incident investigation.”

An officer handling public relations for the department did not immediately return a request for comment from BuzzFeed News.

In its statement, Fort Worth police said that after the shooting, officers entered the residence to find the resident and a firearm, and began administering emergency care. Texas is an open carry state.

Fort Worth PD released body camera footage from the incident taken from the angle of the officer who fired the shot. In it, the officer can be seen taking notice of an open door at the residence — which had its lights on — and then walking around the home’s perimeter with a colleague. He then opens a gate, and walks to a darker part of the yard while holding a flashlight.

Within seconds of walking though the gate, the officer peers through a window, where he presumably sees a person. He quickly raises his flashlight in one hand, gun in another. “Put your hands up, show me your hands,” he shouts before firing a shot — all in less than four seconds.

The body cam footage released by police also includes photos of a gun found inside the house. It's unclear if Jefferson was near the weapon when she was shot by the officer.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram Reporter Jack Howland spoke with James Smith, a neighbor from across the street who placed a call to police around 2 a.m. after seeing that two doors on the home were ajar and the lights on.

Smith told Howland that he called a non-emergency Fort Worth police number, asking for a wellness check on his neighbor, who lived with an aunt that had been in the hospital and her 8-year-old nephew.

Smith told the Star-Telegram that he was “shaken” by the incident, and said he took part of the blame.

“If I had never dialed the police department, she’d still be alive,” Smith said.

“It makes you not want to call the police department,” he added. “If you don’t feel safe with the police department, then who do you feel safe with?”

According to her Facebook page, Jefferson was born in Dallas and attended Xavier University of Louisiana, studying biology. A 2015 YouTube video shows her performing a class anatomy exercise on a model skeleton and a friend. A 2012 video showed her practicing Spanish with another friend. Her Facebook cover photo was of pieces of pretzels she had broken up and arranged to spell the word "Love."

The Forth Worth shooting comes weeks after Amber Guyger, a former cop in neighboring Dallas, was found guilty of murder for fatally shooting her unarmed neighbor in his apartment. Her neighbor, Botham Jean, was a 26-year-old black man from Saint Lucia.

Source: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/fort-worth-police-killed-black-woman-inside-her-home
4 seconds...

The time it took between a verbal command and a Fort Worth Cop KILLING a woman inside her home.

After her neighbor called police because her door was open.

The level of incompetence is astounding. (N)
 

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you got cops with no lights, not saying its the cops, not ringing the doorbell, or maybe even using a speaker outside if you are worried, and then sneak around the backyard. bam shoot a woman dead who prolly didn't even know someone was there. hell she could have been cleaning and had the door open to air out the front of the house. fucking idiot cops
 

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4 seconds...

The time it took between a verbal command and a Fort Worth Cop KILLING a woman inside her home.

After her neighbor called police because her door was open.

The level of incompetence is astounding. (N)
4 seconds, thats way too long time. Should have just shot her right away. IF she had the gun in her hand.
But of course, this is America where everyone can hold a gun and cops as somehow suppose to work with it.
Gun in the hand -> You get no warning and will be shot right away.

The body cam doesnt show the police perspective of the victim in this case. If he had the legal right to feel threatened. If she had a gun in her hand, then the shooting will not be seen as wrong doing for the officer and rightfully so.

The potential wrong doing is what lead up to the shooting. Was there attempts to call the resident, knock on the door and so on. Its not like they are going there thinking its a robbery in progress. Unless they had some information on the woman before hand that made them do what they did.
 

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There's one in every thread :rolleyes:
If that is directed towards me:

Yeah someone with actual knowledge and experience with those kind of situations.

If the woman decide to shot the police in that situation(IF she is holding a gun and is facing the officer) she will do it before the officer has time to fire his weapon. Even if the officer is pointing the weapon at her.
The officer wont have time to register her movement, make a decision and potentially pull the trigger before the woman has shot him.
This is not like in the movies where the "good guy" shot someone the millisecond after the "bad guy" starts to raise his weapon.
 

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Incompetence?

He saw a black woman in a house with an open door. Images of black people "committing more crime" and therefore likely to shoot back, or being robbers emerged in his head like they do for some white people even on WF and WF claims to be free from racism.

Of course she got shot and killed.

If only black people weren't so scary and why do they commit so many crimes, amirite? It's ok, it's just "one bad apple". I know plenty of cops that are so sweet that you could lick them and get diabetes.
 

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If that is directed towards me:

Yeah someone with actual knowledge and experience with those kind of situations.

If the woman decide to shot the police in that situation(IF she is holding a gun and is facing the officer) she will do it before the officer has time to fire his weapon. Even if the officer is pointing the weapon at her.
The officer wont have time to register her movement, make a decision and potentially pull the trigger before the woman has shot him.
This is not like in the movies where the "good guy" shot someone the millisecond after the "bad guy" starts to raise his weapon.
There's literally no mention of her pointing a gun at the cops, if she had that would be the lede of the story, they only mentioned it being in the house to raise suspicion that she might be a criminal and thus "deserved it", they did the same thing with Botham Jean by mentioning he had weed in his house.

The fact that cops could go to a person's home for a wellness check and never consider that the person they saw in the home might be the homeowner is mind boggling, it's indicative of how cops see black people, as criminals/threats first. How is it a cop can slink around on your property, not announcing themselves, then shoot you when you're inevitably startled by them? There's a million ways this could be prevented, cops don't have to put themselves in these situations where they "have to" shoot someone, how about they ring her doorbell, how about they turn their sirens on when they're in front of the house, how about they use their loudspeaker? They approached the house the way they did looking for some action and they found it.
 

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There's literally no mention of her pointing a gun at the cops, if she had that would be the lede of the story, they only mentioned it being in the house to raise suspicion that she might be a criminal and thus "deserved it", they did the same thing with Botham Jean by mentioning he had weed in his house.

The fact that cops could go to a person's home for a wellness check and never consider that the person they saw in the home might be the homeowner is mind boggling, it's indicative of how cops see black people, as criminals/threats first. How is it a cop can slink around on your property, not announcing themselves, then shoot you when you're inevitably startled by them? There's a million ways this could be prevented, cops don't have to put themselves in these situations where they "have to" shoot someone, how about they ring her doorbell, how about they turn their sirens on when they're in front of the house, how about they use their loudspeaker? They approached the house the way they did looking for some action and they found it.
It's Texas. Odds are any home they go into has at least one gun in it.
 

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I was going to bring up some points but perhaps not here, while situations can be sketchy at best and different scenarios run through your head.. It's best to keep an objective view of the situation.

The Officer was asked to do a welfare check, not to stop a robbery etc.

He should have made his presence known with the assumption someone could be hurt or in trouble. Not "I seen a shadow, FIRE!!!"

Police keep killing unarmed, innocent people doing nothing wrong. There's no excuse for this.
 

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4 seconds, thats way too long time. Should have just shot her right away. IF she had the gun in her hand.
But of course, this is America where everyone can hold a gun and cops as somehow suppose to work with it.
Gun in the hand -> You get no warning and will be shot right away.

The body cam doesnt show the police perspective of the victim in this case. If he had the legal right to feel threatened. If she had a gun in her hand, then the shooting will not be seen as wrong doing for the officer and rightfully so.

The potential wrong doing is what lead up to the shooting. Was there attempts to call the resident, knock on the door and so on. Its not like they are going there thinking its a robbery in progress. Unless they had some information on the woman before hand that made them do what they did.

 

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There's literally no mention of her pointing a gun at the cops, if she had that would be the lede of the story, they only mentioned it being in the house to raise suspicion that she might be a criminal and thus "deserved it", they did the same thing with Botham Jean by mentioning he had weed in his house.

The fact that cops could go to a person's home for a wellness check and never consider that the person they saw in the home might be the homeowner is mind boggling, it's indicative of how cops see black people, as criminals/threats first. How is it a cop can slink around on your property, not announcing themselves, then shoot you when you're inevitably startled by them? There's a million ways this could be prevented, cops don't have to put themselves in these situations where they "have to" shoot someone, how about they ring her doorbell, how about they turn their sirens on when they're in front of the house, how about they use their loudspeaker? They approached the house the way they did looking for some action and they found it.
If the gun wasent even in reach for her, then the officer will be at fault. Rightfully so.
If she held it or had it right by her, then the officer will rightfully not be charged.
Seeing US media they usually are more interested in the colour of someones skin then any other details. A gun is kinda a key things in this case. Of course it should be a big part of the story.

If the situation is that the person is holding a gun or right by her. Youre thoughts are not gonna be "Hmm, might be the home owner. Maybe give her a chance point the gun at me". Youre gonna be "GUN!". And rightfully so. Police are looking at potential threats.

Yeah, turning the siren or use the loudspeaker I dont see working. Can already see a lot of people bitching and moaning about waking up the neighbours and disturbing everyone at all the times in the day. Especially for something so routine as a welfare check.

But of course if the people want it, then insert it in to the police laws.

Like I wrote earlier, the potential wrong doing would be the way they approached it. Usually its knocking the door, then try to look threw the windows and if there is still no response you break a window or a door and go in.
But it also depends on the information going into it. What is the place, who is the person we are looking for, any history on the adress, have there been break ins in the area and so on.

Its about knowing how and why the work is the way it is.

Its like telling firefighters how to do their jobs, or doctors how to do their jobs. Who does it? Even though the person have absolutly no experience with it. Police job seems to be something that a lot of people know how it works(mostly because of movies and the hate for people who are in a position of power).

Just look at how many idiots still think "Why didnt the cop just shoot for the leg?", "Why did the cop shot him in the back. OMG ITS MURDER!" or "Why dont the cop just wait until the person is pointing the gun at him/her?".

There are explanations for everything.

When it comes to the actual shooting. If the victim was holding the gun or had it within reach, then the cop will probably walk. Because he has the legal right to feel frightened and use the force needed to end that threat. Doesnt matter if its a real handgun or a toy gun.

Here in Sweden we recently had a disabled kid with Down Syndrom being shot down by three officers, because the kid was pointing a toy gun at the officers. 25 shots taken, three hits and one in the back.
Anyone with experience knew the officers would walk free, which would have been the right thing. And guess what? They walked free because facts and research gave the officers right.
Not a bunch of feelings from people who think they know how a cop should do their jobs.
 

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Tragic loss of life. Another innocent killed in their home by a police department that's making a habit out of these situations.

The big thing that Jason Lives is conveniently leaving out is that this was NOT a 911 emergency call. This was a simple by the book welfare check. This cop did everything wrong from the get go. He did not announce his presence nor did he identify himself as an officer to anyone at the scene. No, he snuck around as quietly as possible to elicit a frightened reaction. He performed his job so poorly that a little woman playing games with a small child was murdered in her own home. Anyone trying to argue FACTS with hypotheticals is not to be treated seriously. Anyone trying to demonize a murder victim is trash in this case. This shouldn't have happened and punishment, actual true precedent setting punishment needs to be handed down. No hugs, forgiveness or tearful video of court testimonials from the cop.

And before someone goes digging in her social media to find a picture of Atatiana Jefferson with......her hair braided too aggressively, THIS is the victim.

 

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People need to start shooting cops. If you see a police officer approaching you in the dark and you're armed, shoot first and ask questions later. Better to be judged by 6 than carried out by 12 - right?

It's self defense. I wish this idiot cop was dead instead of this innocent woman playing video games with her nephew. So I hope more minorities stay strapped and when you see a cop coming your way, I hope more minorities have a chance to pull

Better to be judged by 6 than carried out by 12, right?
 

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Incompetence?

He saw a black woman in a house with an open door. Images of black people "committing more crime" and therefore likely to shoot back, or being robbers emerged in his head like they do for some white people even on WF and WF claims to be free from racism.

Of course she got shot and killed.

If only black people weren't so scary and why do they commit so many crimes, amirite? It's ok, it's just "one bad apple". I know plenty of cops that are so sweet that you could lick them and get diabetes.

You're correct. No amount of police training will stop these officers from being racist against Black people and seeing Black people as immediate threats and criminals. It's open season in America and they will kill as many Black people as they can.


Rest In Peace, intelligent & beautiful, Atatiana Koquice Jefferson.
 

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Tragic loss of life. Another innocent killed in their home by a police department that's making a habit out of these situations.

The big thing that Jason Lives is conveniently leaving out is that this was NOT a 911 emergency call. This was a simple by the book welfare check. This cop did everything wrong from the get go. He did not announce his presence nor did he identify himself as an officer to anyone at the scene. No, he snuck around as quietly as possible to elicit a frightened reaction. He performed his job so poorly that a little woman playing games with a small child was murdered in her own home. Anyone trying to argue FACTS with hypotheticals is not to be treated seriously. Anyone trying to demonize a murder victim is trash in this case. This shouldn't have happened and punishment, actual true precedent setting punishment needs to be handed down. No hugs, forgiveness or tearful video of court testimonials from the cop.

And before someone goes digging in her social media to find a picture of Atatiana Jefferson with......her hair braided too aggressively, THIS is the victim.

Media's going to have a hell of a hard time portraying her as a threatening black person. Let me guess the cop saw a skeleton in her house and thought she was a black serial killer, which of course is far scarier than regular serial killers.
 

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So apparently if cop sees a gun near a person in their house they can shoot the inhabitant because they feel threatened for their own life and it's justifiable.

But the inhabitant has the gun in the first place because everyone else in the state has one too, and they need it for self defence, especially against cops if they're black.

If the inhabitant is black and they know how easily cops shoot black people, are they justifiable in shooting the cop when they first draw because they're justifiably threatened for their life? Good for the goose.... But I digress

Sooo... everyone is afraid because every one else has a gun nearby ready to shoot, and no one can think logically in the heat of the moment.

Stick with me here, but could there be some sort of.... widespread gun culture problem that could be addressed somehow?
 
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