Wrestling Forum banner

1 - 20 of 28 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
22,868 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Figured this should have a thread of its own

The former US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper thinks Russians have some sort of biological predilection to be an untrustworthy bunch. I wish I was making that up, but sadly, I’m not.
Clapper said it during last Sunday’s episode of Meet The Press on NBC, during a response to a question about Jared Kushner’s ties to Moscow. The Russians are “typically, almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever” — was the exact quote.

There’s great irony in that comment by Clapper, with his own record of perjury, implying that an entire ethnicity can’t be trusted. So, of course, widespread outrage followed the blatantly xenophobic comment.

Nah, I’m only joking. No one actually noticed or cared. Chuck Todd, the interviewer, let the comment slide without even acknowledging that Clapper had said something untoward.


via GIPHY

If there was a debate about Clapper’s comment and it was deemed somehow acceptable, that would be bad enough — but it’s actually worse than that, because anti-Russian sentiment is so deeply ingrained in the American psyche, that no one even notices when a high profile figure like Clapper makes a comment about the “genetics” of Russians in an effort to brand them as inherently devious and conniving.

But it shouldn’t be surprising. Unlike any other group of people, it’s been well-established that you can say pretty much whatever you like about Russians with no repercussions or backlash of any kind, particularly if you pass it off as comedy.

Take NBC’s comedy show Saturday Night Live. Their go-to Russian character, Olya Povlatsky, played by Kate McKinnon, has regularly crossed the line from comedy into xenophobia. Even the BBC’s Shaun Walker called out one Olya skit as “veering pretty close to racism.”

View image on Twitter
View image on Twitter
Follow
Mark Ames ✔ @MarkAmesExiled
Shame on @cnn for hiring a creep who makes xenophobic attacks journalists' wives
2:49 PM - 23 May 2017
92 92 Retweets 197 197 likes
Twitter Ads info and privacy
The segments usually revolve around Olya telling the audience in various ways that everyone in Russia wants to be dead and that the country is a barren wasteland. Jokes involve Olya having no glass in her window frames, living with her ten sisters in one room, sleeping inside the carcass of a dog, wishing a war would come to her village and hoping she gets hit by a meteor or eaten by a bear. Asked whether she’s surprised the Olympics were coming to Russia, Olya says, “I’m surprised ANYONE is coming to Russia!”

Whenever Olya appears, you can be guaranteed SNL is about to serve up every banal stereotype about Russia in under 4 minutes.

Comedian Louis CK told an audience a few years ago that he once traveled to Russia to “see how bad life gets.” He put together a ten-minute long routine about how terrible life is in Russia and how “no one” has any money, which serves to perpetuate the ridiculous notion that Russians are all aimlessly wandering around wearing no shoes and begging for food.

It’s not difficult to imagine the reaction it would spark if a Russian comedian were to deliver the same kind of diatribe about the horrors of life in America. As journalist Dominic Basulto put it, it would “immediately be hailed as an example of the hate-filled propaganda speech filling Russian TV airwaves.”

This kind of hate-filled comedy, so pervasive in American popular culture, sets people up to not even notice when Clapper talks about Russians being genetically wired to be dishonest schemers. Replace the word 'Russians' with 'Jews' or 'Muslims' or 'Latinos' or 'African-Americans' — or any other group or ethnicity — and Clapper’s comment would sound simply outrageous. But, like I said, nothing is off limits when it comes to Russians.

Josh Barro, a Senior Editor at Business Insider is another good example. Barro regularly expresses his almost pathological hatred of Russia on Twitter.

Follow
Josh Barro ✔ @jbarro
It's amazing how much national pride Russians have, given how little they have to be proud of.
11:24 AM - 15 Aug 2013
59 59 Retweets 71 71 likes
Twitter Ads info and privacy
I’m not sure whether his lowest point was when he suggested Russian national pride was a bizarre phenomenon since they have “so little to be proud of” — or when he stooped so low as to call the country a “dystopic shithole since the dawn of history”. It’s probably a tie. Then there’s CNN contributor Michael Weiss, who recently insinuated on Twitter that being married to a Russian is inherently suspicious.

Again, if Barro or Weiss were saying these things about other nationalities or ethnicities, there’s a good chance they would have faced some serious professional consequences by now. Not so when Russians are your target. Take your free pass and run with it.

Luckily, there are some journalists out there who still possess a basic sense of common decency. Freelance journalist Michael Sainato was one of the only people in American media who seemed to notice the offensive nature of Clapper’s comment.

In his piece for the Observer, Sainato wrote that the current political climate in the US, has “fostered xenophobia at the highest levels” and that Clapper’s comment goes “far beyond criticism of Putin and the Russian government."

Read more
© Maxim ShemetovCNN introduces new definition of suspicious activity: Dating Russians
Sainato also noted that the media had contributed to the “Russophobic rhetoric” by “irresponsibly elevating” conspiracy theorists as reliable sources on the Trump-Russia story.

Honestly, at this point, I don’t know which is worse: The casual xenophobia of a top former US official suggesting an entire ethnicity has a genetic predisposition toward lying — or the fact that no one noticed.

It reminded me of a depressing conversation I had with a Russian waitress in Saint Petersburg last year. She wanted to travel to the US, but was afraid to even apply for a visa. When I asked her why, she said she was afraid that Americans would be “suspicious” of her. I wonder how many other Russians feel just like her.

Sadly, they now have good reason to worry.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/390715-james-clapper-russians-genetically-untrustworthy/
 
  • Like
Reactions: Arya Dark

·
tombstone blues
Joined
·
14,293 Posts
Well he's right you know

Russians are human beings and human beings are genetically predisposed to be deceitful little shits

Hell, deceit is one of the very first skills babies learn. We know how to lie before we know how to talk ffs

Don't know why the Russians being like everybody else needs to be particularly emphasized though

MUH LYIN RUSSIANS

Hey all you retarded obama flunkies, didn't your retarded boss say in 2012 that the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back? That russia isnt so much of an anything? Were you not paying attention? My how quickly attitudes change. Russia went from being a joke in mitt romneys nightmares to being lex luthor, doctor doom and ozymandias rolled into one in just four years!
 
  • Like
Reactions: CamillePunk

·
The Empire will Reign again
Joined
·
17,665 Posts
I get what the article is saying but I'm incapable of giving a shit about those evil Cossack bastards... which I guess only serves to illustrate the authors point.
 

·
The Empire will Reign again
Joined
·
17,665 Posts
Trump's cult of personality game is so strong, he's got Americans rooting for Russia against America. That's bonkers.

I don't like it but I gotta give him RESPECK for that...
 

·
The Sundance Kid
Joined
·
18,526 Posts
Guess I watched the hacking of our election and the subsequent support of it by Trump and his followers on Netflix...
Not on Netflix, but in your own mind. In the movie I'm watching Trump is America's last great hope against the toxic anti-western ideology of Islam, the erosion of individualism by the globalist cabals, and those dark forces who would risk civilization-ending war with Russia for the sake of perpetrating endless profitable war in the middle east. Can he truly resist these dark forces and deliver the "America first" vision of the future he promised, or will he be compromised and ultimately come to represent the inevitability of the fall of the West? Truthfully? I'm on the edge of my seat. :lol
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
8,251 Posts
There's an incredible irony in the left lambasting people for having xenophobic or bigoted views especially in cases where someone steps out of line and disagrees with them on a particular topic such as Immigration and then you have the former Director of National Intelligence, commenting on a situation which has been driven very much by the left and the Democrats to suggest that Russia hacked and influenced the election last year, who is making arguably xenophobic and bigoted comments. Especially by the left's standard.

I very much doubt he gets called out on it though by those actors.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,548 Posts
There's an incredible irony in the left lambasting people for having xenophobic or bigoted views especially in cases where someone steps out of line and disagrees with them on a particular topic such as Immigration and then you have the former Director of National Intelligence, commenting on a situation which has been driven very much by the left and the Democrats to suggest that Russia hacked and influenced the election last year, who is making arguably xenophobic and bigoted comments. Especially by the left's standard.

I very much doubt he gets called out on it though by those actors.
The Russians would have to have a darker skin pigment for the regressive left to care.
 

·
From parts unknown
Joined
·
23,274 Posts
If you want to understand what a real phobia sounds like, look no further than the modern day left's phobia of Russians.
 

·
Magic, sparkles and Strap-ons!
Joined
·
14,340 Posts
Did he also mention Blacks are genetically driven to commit more crimes? Or that Jews are driven to be sneaky? Or Asians are driven to rip you off? Or that Germans are driven to be racists?


I'd love to get a few drinks into this guy and hear what he really thinks about people!
 
1 - 20 of 28 Posts
Top