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Feedback from a hardcore AEW fan 2020-21, why I felt duped by Tony Khan

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#1 ·
I’ll admit, I was the biggest AEW fan. In fact, if you look at my post history, all my posts when making this account were about AEW.

I watched everything from Dynamite, Rampage, and always kept an eye on dark and elevation results. I’ll always be fond of Daily’s Place, in the way ECW fans were fond of the Hammerstein Ballroom. That covid era is special in my wrestling fandom. But I want to touch on why I stopped. This is the first time I’ve posted in the AEW section since November 2021.

I really liked AEW when it first started out. The fact that Shawn Spears felt like a big deal, shows how there was hardly any WWE signings. It was a different roster with a different feel.

What sold me on AEW was, before Dynamite started airing in October 2019, was Tony Khan saying these two statements.

1. On Stone Cold’s podcast he said - “6 million people used to watch wrestling on a Monday Night, let’s get them back”

2. On an interview with Jack Whitehall, he said that I want to get everyone talking about wrestling again. In the queue at the post office, people wearing a wrestling t-shirt.

It felt like we were going to get a viable competitor to WWE. Stories, larger than life characters.

I bought into this further, when I saw Chris Jericho brawl with Mike Tyson. That’s when I knew that AEW is the place to be. I really thought we were getting Tyson vs Jericho when crowds return. As it would create a buzz that had been missing in wrestling in years. I would even speak to the producer Kevin Sullivan on LinkedIn about how great it was. Sharing all his posts, because I believed in the direction we were going. I believed in AEW.

I then saw Stadium Stampede, and I thought this sort of Sports Entertainment style mixed with slow burn stories was what AEW is about.


I also saw that they had bought Bash at the Beach, and if they couldn’t get all WCW trademarks, then they were still heading in that sort of directional buzz.

What changed for me was, when I saw a fake quote from Erich Bischoff saying he wishes he could reboot WCW to show Tony how it’s done. Because it made me realise, that the WCW vision that I bought into from TK’s interview with Stone Cold and Jack Whitehall, was Cody’s vision and not Tony’s.

When Cody said he wants Dynamite to move to Monday’s in 5 years, and then Tony a week later publicly contradicting him it made me think two things

1. Cody’s WCW vision what I bought into was not what I was getting

2. Even back then in 2020, it felt like there was backstage discourse. You don’t publicly contradict someone like that.

Okay fine. So it’s not the WCW vision, but at least it’s something new and different. I had stopped watching WWE at the time.

But even then, I couldn’t escapee WWE, because it’s all they talk about. Britt Baker comes across as someone with really bad vibes as a person. How do you make your body of work taking shots at WWE? Saudi Arabia references, Pie in face to Toni Storm.

People talk about the promo battle with CM Punk and MJF being this masterclass. Yet all the big moments were WWE references. What’s so good about that?

The moment I stopped was the Dynamite after Full Gear 2021. Jay Lethal was presented at the ppv as this major signing. Like the Bucs signing Brady.

And then when he and Sammy had the main event the following Dynamite, as the show was closing JR and Schiavone were patting themselves on the back about “what a great night this has been, an absolutely fantastic night”

You advanced no stories? You just had great wrestling, and hyped up the debut of Jay Lethal as Brady’s first game for the Bucs.

That’s when I realised, this false advertising campaign of 2019, about AEW being the place to bring wrestling fans back, and change the world was a lie.

Tony Khan did a pathetic thing. He saw that there was this mindset in general society about wrestling used to be good 20 years ago but fell off. He baited people in by tapping into that stimulus of the brain - saying that could come back with AEW. Just so people can watch an Indy show instead. He lied.

False advertising. You showed Cody’s vision to the public, when you were only going to use your own.

And when I thought fine, he’s a promoter they are all carny, there was no going back when he disrespected Ted Turner. Ted Turner is going to die in this decade before 2030. He just is, with the condition he has. We are in the last decade of one of the most important people in media, and he disrespected him. He can’t be forgiven for that.

I think AEW is a great product. The fans who watch it, who it’s catered for finally have something that works for them. They deserve it after all the shit they were served by Vince McMahon for years. But I wish that’s who it was advertised towards.

Because as someone who was sold something else, I surely felt duped. But the consolation is, there is a product for people who enjoy it. And I’m glad they do.

You guys have a great product, and I hope AEW is around forever. The industry needs it.
 
#2 ·
Ngl bro I skimmed, but this is the first time I’ve seen mention of Cody having the initial vision for AEW. I can believe it too. I always defended Cody’s over the top entrances and promos and gimmick matches because he’s one of the guys who can responsibly be portrayed as the MC/hero archetype.

Some of his students just didn’t have charisma so they were never going to get big. The goofballs got spots because of their friendship with the Elite.

In line with your topic title, I do think AEW was falsely advertised to an extent. They wanted us to believe it would be big time like the GOOD WCW, but we got so much indie outlaw mud show shenanigans that I quickly stopped that line of thinking.

I was actually at the first show in DC. It was great seeing Mox and Omega go through the glass table. Felt like they’d balance and have a huge variety of talent. Then it was just mostly goofballs and botched matches that don’t look like they were practiced.

Tony seems like he sticks to ideas for the sake of “muh long term booking” but he doesn’t know how to read the crowd and change course. That’s why he gets so tripped up when his top talent are injured or out for whatever other reason. He defaults to tourneys and battle royales. We’ve had like 10 within a year.
 
#7 ·
I feel you brother. The truth is, we should have known since the very first match of the very first AEW show that Tony Khan had zero vision for AEW. I’m talking about the battle royale on Double or Nothing where a guy with no legs was part of it.

And then we got further proof of how disorganized this company already was with the first Fight For The Fallen event which was absolutely awful.

And then we got even more proof when they found a way to put Brendan Cutler on TV on the very first episode of Dynamite on TNT.

But we all didn’t say a word because it still felt different and there was still some good stuff happening. Now the show has become an absolutely trainwreck where you can have someone like fucking Jay Lethal and Deonna Paruzzo main event Dynamite. It’s sad how Tony Khan completely dropped the ball.
 
#11 ·
That is a very very good point. Because remember, Cody admitted on the AEW Unrestricted podcast, that his plan was to get as many lapsed WCW trademarks as he could, to trade them for Starrcade and The Great American Bash.

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The only reason he didn’t get Bash at the Beach, was because the USPTO weirdly refused it because WWE did a ppv called The Bash in 2009, and said it was confused with that.

Cody definitely tried to make it WCW. Especially that limo ride with Schiavone to mimic Flair and Gene’s from Starrcade.

But at the same time, if Tony Khan is making noises about getting 6 million viewers back, and using Bash at the Beach, then of course Cody is going to sell that.

It’s like how all the wrestlers resort to digs at WWE to cut a compelling promo. Because if the boss does it, then that’s the example set.
 
#12 ·
The most unbelievable thing that you've written is that you followed Dark and Elevation. Who does that? That's like watching Main Event (is that still a thing?).

I do feel that the feel has changed and I did prefer the time before Punk and Danielson too. Many decent acts began to get wasted, in favour of Buddy Matthews and CM Cunt.

Yes, directions do change after a while and I can easily accept that. Though I feel that injury-gate and Punk's Karen outbursts have ruined something special.

It's easily salvageable and is still a good show, but now is the time to consider the real identity. Is it a larger scale indie show, NXT or something new entirely. I'm hoping for the first or second personally.

All of this talk of WCW is annoying. I don't want that either, as it's not 1996.
 
#14 ·
At this point I am ecstatic that the wrestling fan runs a wrestling company with this much penetration into the mainstream. Someone who posted places a lot have visited personally is hiring and booking a wrestling promotion on cable TV. I remember TK’s alias. He started the infamous sleaze thread. I did not like how the thread was devolving into random sex rumours and urban legends. It lasted something like 150 pages for one thread. Well, hopefully I wasn’t too sanctimonious with the guy.

The sheer fact that TK believes in a larger wrestling world really impressed me. ECW and Impact did that as did WCW semi-regularly.

Trying to run the whole company’s creative department on his own is really naive of him. He needs someone besides himself running AEW hype on Twitter. He should still do his own sell job for everything AEW. He just shouldn’t be the ONLY official AEW voice online.
He was right to strip THE ELITE of all booking abilities. Their big idea with Evil Uno starting the Dark Order as main event without Marty Scurll or Brodie Lee was most definitely NOT a main event television angle. Cody’s big ideas still got airtime though going forward.

AEW didn’t need Cody doing his own angles in his own almost separate world from regular AEW. Perhaps TK was as intimidated by Cody as he was with Punk at that fateful scrum a few weeks ago.

TK really needs to change the format of the scrum at future PPV press conferences. Personally I don’t know what it would require. Hopefully he just does whatever he can to ensure nobody gets that kind of soapbox ever again. Talkative wrestlers are one thing. Your champion sandbagging the company and its decision makers should never happen in front of the camera…unless it was a shoot interview arranged to air dirty laundry.

There aren’t too many wrestlers who give less fucks than CM Punk. In the future maybe TK should have stepped in and diverted the scrum towards ANYTHING AEW related. TK does seem a little starstruck with certain wrestlers. He probably couldn’t stop Punk’s stupid rant even if he wanted to.
 
#17 ·
Which is funny because fans started turning on him actuatly when Tony stripped anyone of creative control over the entire promotion. Instead we just got Super cody booking himself to look great no matter what situation he was in. But then the entire product itself started lacking creative direction. At least when Cody orginally was allowed to attempt creative for the company it was in better shape. Not saying it was amzing or was going to be amazing,But it was something and now we just have match fest. You get a few rare chems that know what the fuck hes doing and how to get the fuck over with the crowd like MJF. Over all most are lost and need programs installed. Imagine every movie ever made had no director.

This is why people loved TNA, No matter what they did they always tried something. TNA always had a identity. They change it a bunch of times but they always had one. Since TNA ended and has been taken over from the new owners and its just Impact wrestling, They have not really had a identity. They lost everyone.
 
#25 ·
I think of Tony Kahn as this little kid with his wrassling figures and ring. Just making up weird stories that go no where. Then a new toy hits the market and has to add it, then just throws it in the pile of all his other figures.

Its obvious he is nothing more than a big fan. He has no actual sense of what to do. I am actually surprised it has lasted this long. Mostly cause daddys deep pockets, lol
 
#26 ·
Imagine actually dork order would work or make sense with a cowboy. It shows you everything you need to know for where Tony is at. He tried beyond belief to get those guys over.Even used Hangmans crowd popularity to come out with him. Who knows if a different direction with him could have been good, But his story and build up was heavily negatively impacted by them and how they pushed him.
 
#33 ·
I'm disappointed in AEW of late for the opposite reasons. I wanted what's essentially a "glorified indie". Heaps of crossovers with other promotions, special guests who are legends of the indie scene or big stars outside mainstream American pro wrestling, long matches focused on workrate, flippy folks popping the crowds with "gymnastics", a revolving door of talent to enjoy in fresh pairings, none of the overplayed wrestling storyline tropes, ... you get the idea.

When it comes to wrestling, I prefer a theatrical approach - think Lucha Underground - or a workrate one. I like gritty and real, not flashy lighting and entertainment spectacles. Larger-than-life characters don't do much for me; I'm not into superhero stuff. I don't like family-oriented entertainment and I loath wink wink nudge nudge 'edgy' humour. All this is why WWE, in all its incarnations over the years, has never hit my sweet spot but AEW came a little closer.

WF seems dominated by fans who essentially wanted WWE stripped of the parts they disliked. Maybe the Attitude Era was their happy place and they hoped for something similar to that. Others had fond memories of character-driven action with huge guys playing face and heel roles while focused on power moves in short matches. I feel like a lot here just wanted to see a favourite wrestler become the centre of a televised promotion, a kind of fuck you to WWE for shitty booking of their guy. They want to see their favourites over and over every week and don't care much about anyone else being featured. None of those people will like AEW. In fact, they'll want to point out how wrong it is constantly. There's no more voracious critic than a disappointed one.

The more AEW veers into WWE-style presentation, the less I care about following them. The more alike the two become, the more AEW looks like a second-rate copy. That's how it works when emulating an existing dominant product. Besides, if I wanted what WWE offers I'd be watching the original, not this.

I can, and do, enjoy AEW when it feels like itself, not a cheap copy of WWE. I loved Forbidden Door and the leadup to it. The ROH titles and ROH talents appearing on AEW television are fun for me - I like variety. I wish there was a Forbidden Door type crossover agreement with Mexican or UK brands as well. I want to see more joshi talent visit too. Hell, bring in another deathmatch wrestler and some indie comedy acts for one-time appearances as well. There's a big world of pro wrestling out there to sample.

All this is a long-winded way of saying I feel duped too, just like the op, only in the opposite way. The difference is, I don't think Tony Khan set out to dupe folks like me. I think he's an inexperienced booker/owner being pulled in a hundred different creative directions by AEW wrestlers, dirtsheets, critics like Cornette, and fan feedback. Tony's a fan and no stranger to the IWC - he was part of it himself and that's why I think he takes wrestling journalism and fan opinion too seriously. He's also apt to listen to the talent he used to daydream about meeting, even when their ideas suck. All this leads to disjointed booking and little sense of identity for AEW.



Hire me, Tony. I'm not afraid to tell CM Phil where to stick his hot takes or let Jericho know when he's getting a little too "creative".