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What kind of person keeps track with how many times the president lies? So immature. I love having adult conversations but I'm not sure you're an adult, and I'm not the only one.
I'm not BM's biggest fan, but...

1. He's not keeping track of this. A simple google search will tell you how many lies Trump has made so far as President. It's not an uncommon thing either. This has been the standard for quite some time now, and it should be. You expect the person who is the President to be honest and truthful to you, because he is the one trying to create these policies to make your life better. If he's lying, we have every right to call him out for it, and the people who vote for him have a right to know whether or not the person they picked to lead the office is being honest with them or not.

2. You claim you're the adult here and he's not, and yet you are the one who called him a moron and admitted that you didn't bother reading his posts at one point. The only one coming off as immature here is you my friend. I suggest you stop dodging his questions and trying to win off of laughable shit like "it helped me out so you're wrong" (seriously man, it doesn't work like that. The Kennedy Family thrived during the Great Depression, it doesn't change the fact that it still fucked up America).

If you want to act like the adult in this conversation, stop trying to find ways to back your way out of the argument and shit talk him to other posters. All you're doing here is baiting him and giving him a reason to want to keep going.
 

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Since we’re dealing in facts, where are the facts that trump has lied 8,000 times? Can I neg rep you if you can’t find proof of 8,000 lies?
its actually over 6,000 and 8,000 was just hyperbole. but by the time that article that quoted that, Trump could be up to 8,000
I thought we were dealing with facts? Obama brought the economy down lower than any other president ever, Trump has brought it back up to a respectable number. What has he lied about? And where are the facts BM?
 

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Why do you keep harping on a broken record, no the tax cuts did not help the middle class. Just because it helped YOU and a few people you know does not mean it helped the middle CLASS. Using your logic, if the tax cuts gave just one person in the middle class a raise that means it helped the middle class, that is not how it works. I am not denying you got a raise at all, I freely believe you, but AGAIN just because YOU and some people you work with got a raise does not mean the tax cuts helped teh middle class. If something does not help 99% of the middle class, you cant pretend it helped.

For example, if you are building a house, and you build all of it with your friends, then I come along and just nail in the last flood board in the kitchen, are you really going to claim oh I helped you build the house?

using your logic, oh I did. That is not how it works

A drop is a drop but if you want to say it didn't end there that is a fair point. But its still showing how volatile the market is. Also, I keep saying we are headed toward a crash. I also said we are in a bear market which is true.

What exactly did I make up that had nothing to do with the conversation? You asked a question and I gave you an answer which directly answered your question. You just didn't like the answer you got.

And here we go ago with BS like this, "but I'm not sure you're an adult" you wonder why you get negged lol.

How is it immature to know how many times the president has lied. Guess you don't like to fact check and there is the problem.

I deal in facts and logic, something you don't seem to like. Its funny complain about getting negged but make comments like this "I'm not sure you're an adult"

I just think its funny with all the trolling the Trump supports do on here like Berzerker's Beard and deepelemblues you try to call me out lol. But that's right they have your same opinion so its ok when they do it.

if you don't think all the info I gave you relates to what you were asking, then you are just not paying attention.
I said the tax cuts helped thousands of us that's more than just a few, plus I said we work in the public sector and it seems the private sector is the one not benefitting and yes I get there's more working in the private sector but a lot are public workers seeing a cut. Anyway let's let this one go.

Explain to me how the info on what Obama has done has anything to do with "if people are saying it's still obamas economy can he get blame too". That's literally a yes or no answer which Headliner and holly offered reasonable answers to, telling what Obama did years ago has nothing to do with if he can be assigned blame, you say you deal in logic but I don't think you do.

Again with the trolling word, I'm not trolling anyone. From here on out, I need to you to confidently know nothing I post is a troll effort so please stop using that. It's like you can't make a logical connection so u say troll. I feel like I need to scream at you so you hear all of it instead of seeing one thing and jumping on that instead of the big picture, this is why I question your reading comprehension and age, which again I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Keeping up with presidents lies is immature af and has nothing to do with fact checking. You say he's lied 8,000 times, what kind of hack ass website keeps up with everything he says. You think Obama was honest 100% of the time and never told a lie? I don't but I don't need to know how many lies he told. You say 8,000 but prob couldn't list ten without googling.

Again I'm not trolling you dude. I have heard from some on the left (I even said not on here) that trump has nothing to do with the economy it's all obamas still, so I thought it was reasonable to ask if it tanks, since it's obamas economy, could he get some blame...it's simple. They said no trump should have seen it was going to tank and done something about it, which is all I needed for An answer, I keep repeating myself in the most simple terms and yet you still don't get it.

You and I aren't far from goin down in WF hall of shame for worst arguments in WF history, from now on if I have something to say or ask you I will do it directly and do my best not to butt in when you are talking to someone else, please do the same for me and maybe we can stay out the hall of shame.
 

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I thought we were dealing with facts? Obama brought the economy down lower than any other president ever, Trump has brought it back up to a respectable number. What has he lied about? And where are the facts BM?
Obama brought us out of Bush's recession. He had to fix how badly Bush fucked up the economy.
Fake news.

How did bush fuck it up so bad that Obama didn’t have it fixed well into his 2nd term?
There’s a difference in fact and opinion. I suggest you learn the difference.
 

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I thought we were dealing with facts? Obama brought the economy down lower than any other president ever, Trump has brought it back up to a respectable number. What has he lied about? And where are the facts BM?
You might want to research then re-adjust this post.
 

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I said the tax cuts helped thousands of us that's more than just a few, plus I said we work in the public sector and it seems the private sector is the one not benefitting and yes I get there's more working in the private sector but a lot are public workers seeing a cut. Anyway let's let this one go.

Explain to me how the info on what Obama has done has anything to do with "if people are saying it's still obamas economy can he get blame too". That's literally a yes or no answer which Headliner and holly offered reasonable answers to, telling what Obama did years ago has nothing to do with if he can be assigned blame, you say you deal in logic but I don't think you do.

Again with the trolling word, I'm not trolling anyone. From here on out, I need to you to confidently know nothing I post is a troll effort so please stop using that. It's like you can't make a logical connection so u say troll. I feel like I need to scream at you so you hear all of it instead of seeing one thing and jumping on that instead of the big picture, this is why I question your reading comprehension and age, which again I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Keeping up with presidents lies is immature af and has nothing to do with fact checking. You say he's lied 8,000 times, what kind of hack ass website keeps up with everything he says. You think Obama was honest 100% of the time and never told a lie? I don't but I don't need to know how many lies he told. You say 8,000 but prob couldn't list ten without googling.

Again I'm not trolling you dude. I have heard from some on the left (I even said not on here) that trump has nothing to do with the economy it's all obamas still, so I thought it was reasonable to ask if it tanks, since it's obamas economy, could he get some blame...it's simple. They said no trump should have seen it was going to tank and done something about it, which is all I needed for An answer, I keep repeating myself in the most simple terms and yet you still don't get it.

You and I aren't far from goin down in WF hall of shame for worst arguments in WF history, from now on if I have something to say or ask you I will do it directly and do my best not to butt in when you are talking to someone else, please do the same for me and maybe we can stay out the hall of shame.

Why are you still on this middle class and tax cuts thing? You claim it helped thousands of you, UM yeah that is just a few when there are tens of millions of people in the middle class.

It's not a yes or no question, about if Obama can get the blame. You have to explain why. That is how things work in a debate. Plus if someone said no, he can, your next logical question would be why would it not?

You are trolling when you keep saying shit like, oh I didn't bother reading your reply, or the shit you keep saying "why I question your reading comprehension and age, which again I'm not the only one who thinks that. " That is trolling. Stick to the debate.

Keeping up with how much the president lies is doing your due diligence, its how you stay informed. Of course, Obama did not tell the truth 100% of the time but no one lies more than Trump and it's not even close.

Its just weird you are trying to defend Trumps lies by claiming its immature to keep track of how much he lies. you should care how much the POTUS lies. I find it funny you claim its a hack website that fact checks what the president lies about. But that just reaffirms my points, you don't care about facts bc you just admitted its immature to keep track of facts

I have already been over the whole economy thing go back and read it this time.

This is a debate forum, I will chime in when I want if you don't like it, then use the ignore button.
 

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I'm not BM's biggest fan, but...

1. He's not keeping track of this. A simple google search will tell you how many lies Trump has made so far as President. It's not an uncommon thing either. This has been the standard for quite some time now, and it should be. You expect the person who is the President to be honest and truthful to you, because he is the one trying to create these policies to make your life better. If he's lying, we have every right to call him out for it, and the people who vote for him have a right to know whether or not the person they picked to lead the office is being honest with them or not.

2. You claim you're the adult here and he's not, and yet you are the one who called him a moron and admitted that you didn't bother reading his posts at one point. The only one coming off as immature here is you my friend. I suggest you stop dodging his questions and trying to win off of laughable shit like "it helped me out so you're wrong" (seriously man, it doesn't work like that. The Kennedy Family thrived during the Great Depression, it doesn't change the fact that it still fucked up America).

If you want to act like the adult in this conversation, stop trying to find ways to back your way out of the argument and shit talk him to other posters. All you're doing here is baiting him and giving him a reason to want to keep going.
I prob shouldn't have called him a moron so will apologize for that. As for not reading, what he posted had nothing to do with what I was getting at, there was no point. And nowhere in my op did I post or quote or name BM so him getting involved was unnecessary. What questions has he asked that I dodged? And laughable, so he makes a false statement and I call him out on it, even saying we are prob the exception, which it appears we are , and it's laughable??

As for the first part, looking up how many times the president has lied is still immature. I don't know why the number is important. If something seems off, I look it up, I don't take what trump says as gospel but it seems he's getting way more flack than Obama did. Yes I did see negative stuff towards Obama but not nearly like I do towards trump, maybe it's bc it's cool now to bash the president on social media and posts are more frequently now than a few years ago.
 

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I prob shouldn't have called him a moron so will apologize for that. As for not reading, what he posted had nothing to do with what I was getting at, there was no point. And nowhere in my op did I post or quote or name BM so him getting involved was unnecessary. What questions has he asked that I dodged? And laughable, so he makes a false statement and I call him out on it, even saying we are prob the exception, which it appears we are , and it's laughable??

As for the first part, looking up how many times the president has lied is still immature. I don't know why the number is important. If something seems off, I look it up, I don't take what trump says as gospel but it seems he's getting way more flack than Obama did. Yes I did see negative stuff towards Obama but not nearly like I do towards trump, maybe it's bc it's cool now to bash the president on social media and posts are more frequently now than a few years ago.
It had everything to do with what you were asking. It was a perfect analogy. You keep claiming I made a false statement when I didn't. What I said was 100% fact. Its just weird you keep trying to deny it

Trump is getting more flack than Obama because almost everything out of Trump's mouth is a lie. Also, how is the number of times Trump lied not important? If you know Trump lies 75% of the time, you don't think that is important?

You don't think a president should be called out for his lies?

What things that Trump has been called out for, are unfair?
 

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Why are you still on this middle class and tax cuts thing? You claim it helped thousands of you, UM yeah that is just a few when there are tens of millions of people in the middle class.

It's not a yes or no question, about if Obama can get the blame. You have to explain why. That is how things work in a debate. Plus if someone said no, he can, your next logical question would be why would it not?

You are trolling when you keep saying shit like, oh I didn't bother reading your reply, or the shit you keep saying "why I question your reading comprehension and age, which again I'm not the only one who thinks that. " That is trolling. Stick to the debate.

Keeping up with how much the president lies is doing your due diligence, its how you stay informed. Of course, Obama did not tell the truth 100% of the time but no one lies more than Trump and it's not even close.

Its just weird you are trying to defend Trumps lies by claiming its immature to keep track of how much he lies. you should care how much the POTUS lies. I find it funny you claim its a hack website that fact checks what the president lies about. But that just reaffirms my points, you don't care about facts bc you just admitted its immature to keep track of facts

I have already been over the whole economy thing go back and read it this time.

This is a debate forum, I will chime in when I want if you don't like it, then use the ignore button.
Fine I'll stay in your vortex and we can keep saying the same thing over and over aggravating other posters....

Again not trolling with the reading comprehension comments, I really think you struggle with it, there have been MULTIPLE times where you attack the first sentence instead of reading the whole paragraph and going from there. It wouldn't have been that hard for you to read where I put we may be the exception and just going "yea y'all prob are but it really didn't help overall"...would you agree to that bc I can.

And tell me again since you haven't (even though I've asked, back to reading comprehension) what obamas old policies have to do with the economy now? I have seen it's trumps economy since he's done away with obamas policies (so no Obama wouldn't get any blame here), and I've seen seen trump is riding obamas coat tails and it's obamas economy (which would slide some blame to Obama). That's all I was asking!! Holly and headliner answered perfectly, for some reason you had to jump in too.

So if it's such a big deal about presidents lying, go dig up where you were pissed about Obama and his lies. This is a double standard. No I don't want trump to lie but it also depends on the lie. I'm sure you care about every little detail but if he mixes up years on a policy or says something goofy, I don't care, although I wish he wouldn't and would stop patting himself on the back all the time,when it's a major lie that can't stay off the news, then I'll care.
 

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I prob shouldn't have called him a moron so will apologize for that. As for not reading, what he posted had nothing to do with what I was getting at, there was no point. And nowhere in my op did I post or quote or name BM so him getting involved was unnecessary. What questions has he asked that I dodged? And laughable, so he makes a false statement and I call him out on it, even saying we are prob the exception, which it appears we are , and it's laughable??
This is a public forum. No one is exempt from being involved in a conversation. There is no "I wasn't talking to you" deal going on here. If you ask a question, you can't complain when someone you weren't talking to comes in and answers your question.

And if you didn't read the post, then how do you know it had nothing to do with what you were talking about?

He didn't make a false statement. So far, the tax cuts have done little to help the middle class overall. This can't be disputed.

As for the first part, looking up how many times the president has lied is still immature. I don't know why the number is important. If something seems off, I look it up, I don't take what trump says as gospel but it seems he's getting way more flack than Obama did. Yes I did see negative stuff towards Obama but not nearly like I do towards trump, maybe it's bc it's cool now to bash the president on social media and posts are more frequently now than a few years ago.
Again, how is it immature? Lying is not okay, especially about how well the country is doing and/or your reasoning for doing something.

He is getting way more flack than Obama, and rightfully so. Obama had more working against him than Trump did, and he still got more accomplished in his first two years than Trump has in his first two. Hell by the end of his first year, Obama had already put an end to the recession and made it easier for people to go to college. So far Trump has been a significantly worse President than Obama and this can't really be argued. Trump has done a lot of the exact things he criticized Obama for doing, has failed on most of his promises, he's set America up for even worse conditions going forward. This was not the case when Obama left office.
 

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Fine I'll stay in your vortex and we can keep saying the same thing over and over aggravating other posters....
yes please try to stay in the facts vortex.

And tell me again since you haven't (even though I've asked, back to reading comprehension) what obamas old policies have to do with the economy now?
You seem to be the one with the reading comprehension problem.

You just got done saying
Explain to me how the info on what Obama has done has anything to do with "if people are saying it's still obamas economy can he get blame too". That's literally a yes or no answer which Headliner and holly offered reasonable answers to, telling what Obama did years ago has nothing to do with if he can be assigned blame, you say you deal in logic but I don't think you do.
and now you are claiming you asked for that info but never gave it? And you wonder why I call you out for trolling.


I have seen it's trumps economy since he's done away with obamas policies (so no Obama wouldn't get any blame here), and I've seen seen trump is riding obamas coat tails and it's obamas economy (which would slide some blame to Obama). That's all I was asking!! Holly and headliner answered perfectly, for some reason you had to jump in too.

I have already answered everything you are talking and spoke to these points.





So if it's such a big deal about presidents lying, go dig up where you were pissed about Obama and his lies. This is a double standard. No I don't want trump to lie but it also depends on the lie. I'm sure you care about every little detail but if he mixes up years on a policy or says something goofy, I don't care, although I wish he wouldn't and would stop patting himself on the back all the time,when it's a major lie that can't stay off the news, then I'll care.

I bitched about Obama all the time and what a fraud he was. I didn't even vote for Obama in his re-election. It's not a double standard. But nice strawman attempt.

Its amazing the lengths you go to to defend Trumps lies. No one gives a shit about him getting a date wrong or anything like that, he lies about way more important stuff than that.

Like I said, point out to me something Trump got shit for that was undeserved. You must have a huge list of them if you think most of these lies people get him for are petty.
 

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This is a public forum. No one is exempt from being involved in a conversation. There is no "I wasn't talking to you" deal going on here. If you ask a question, you can't complain when someone you weren't talking to comes in and answers your question.

And if you didn't read the post, then how do you know it had nothing to do with what you were talking about?

He didn't make a false statement. So far, the tax cuts have done little to help the middle class overall. This can't be disputed.



Again, how is it immature? Lying is not okay, especially about how well the country is doing and/or your reasoning for doing something.

He is getting way more flack than Obama, and rightfully so. Obama had more working against him than Trump did, and he still got more accomplished in his first two years than Trump has in his first two. Hell by the end of his first year, Obama had already put an end to the recession and made it easier for people to go to college. So far Trump has been a significantly worse President than Obama and this can't really be argued. Trump has done a lot of the exact things he criticized Obama for doing, has failed on most of his promises, he's set America up for even worse conditions going forward. This was not the case when Obama left office.
I quoted headliner when asking a question, it wasn't a question in general. I didn't even ask you for input but your answer answered my question so I went with it, but fair enough, from now on I'll just go with someone jumping in when not quoted or asked.

As for the quote I didn't read, I read the first couple lines and then skimmed the rest, actually read it way later after I told him I didn't read it, to make sure, it had nothing to do with what I asked.

Your line on the tax cuts makes way more sense to me than "tax cuts didn't help the middle class", like I've said its prob semantics but it did help a small percentage and like I also said we are prob the exception. Either which way, I acknowledge that it has not helped the majority of the middle class, that's also been said when I said we work public not private sector so we don't have to deal with trickle down and there's more workers in private vs public, and by public I mean state or county, I'm not 100% onfederal level how those cuts worked.

As for lying, does there really need to be a count? And is this count accurate? Do these people listen to everything he says all day everyday?? No I wish trump wouldn't lie but some don't bother me since they don't effect anything, maybe this is the wrong approach. Ex.. He said something along the lines of democrats wanna bring caravan after caravan and give them free healthcare,medication, food, etc...I get this isn't true, I also think things like this would be better left unsaid, but it doesn't really effect anything. I just think it's dumb he'd say it. Obama told some, but they don't really have an effect so it doesn't really bother me.

yes please try to stay in the facts vortex.



You seem to be the one with the reading comprehension problem.

You just got done saying

and now you are claiming you asked for that info but never gave it? And you wonder why I call you out for trolling.





I have already answered everything you are talking and spoke to these points.








I bitched about Obama all the time and what a fraud he was. I didn't even vote for Obama in his re-election. It's not a double standard. But nice strawman attempt.

Its amazing the lengths you go to to defend Trumps lies. No one gives a shit about him getting a date wrong or anything like that, he lies about way more important stuff than that.

Like I said, point out to me something Trump got shit for that was undeserved. You must have a huge list of them if you think most of these lies people get him for are petty.
Haha facts vortex...funny. The vortex I'm stuck in is repeating myself over and over bc you can't understand the original point. We are now debating trumps lies when this started off as an economic question about Obama/trump policies but some how we are here.

My original question FOR THE 100TH TIME, was directed at headliner when he said something along the lines of trump is still using obamas policies, so I asked if Obama could get some blame. Obamas policies from ten years ago have nothing to do with the current economy. If they do have anything to do with it, then he would share some blame for his policies doing this just like it would be trumps fault for not changing those policies or for trumps policies driving us here.


Again you quoted pretty much the same question I asked AND STILL HAVENT ANSWERED IT!! I'm not asking what obamas policies were I was asking what they had to do with the question I asked, the answer is nothing, but yes your comprehension skills are top notch.

I'm not going to great lengths to defend trumps lies, all I'm saying is most of them have zero effect on the US, or at least I don't think they do. I gave an example in previous post
 

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Haha facts vortex...funny. The vortex I'm stuck in is repeating myself over and over bc you can't understand the original point. We are now debating trumps lies when this started off as an economic question about Obama/trump policies but some how we are here.

My original question FOR THE 100TH TIME, was directed at headliner when he said something along the lines of trump is still using obamas policies, so I asked if Obama could get some blame. Obamas policies from ten years ago have nothing to do with the current economy. If they do have anything to do with it, then he would share some blame for his policies doing this just like it would be trumps fault for not changing those policies or for trumps policies driving us here.


Again you quoted pretty much the same question I asked AND STILL HAVENT ANSWERED IT!! I'm not asking what obamas policies were I was asking what they had to do with the question I asked, the answer is nothing, but yes your comprehension skills are top notch.

I'm not going to great lengths to defend trumps lies, all I'm saying is most of them have zero effect on the US, or at least I don't think they do. I gave an example in previous post
Your questions have already been answered, yet you act like I am the one with the comprehension problem.

Trumps lies has tons of effect on the US, you thinking that they don't show how uninformed you are.
 

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@MrMister; This is your fault. We had a very good thread where people discussed things calmly and rationally and you had to go and fuck it all up by opening this thread. Nice going.
Scrolled through 90% of this thread without bothering to read so far. Shame.
 
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