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Is that why Democrats just killed the stimulus bill to keep people alive just to spite Trump? Lol.
Bit of misrepresentation here. They want some basic safeguards and transparency to make sure funds are not misused. The White House and Republicans are asking for a 500 billion dollar dark money slush fund with basically zero meaningful guard rails on how that money gets distributed, or any visibility to who benefits from it.

The legislation voted on Sunday, for example, says any companies that Mnuchin finds "eligible" for that 500 billion should maintain the same employment levels that they had March 13th "to the extent practicable." But it doesn't define what practicable even means. This strongly suggests an airline or a cruise company or hotel could accept taxpayer funds, send the money to shareholders, and STILL lay off tons of workers.

If you think is some sort of paranoid libtard excuse to justify casual cruelty to innocent people, then you're willfully ignoring the galling abuses of power from the current administration. The doling out favors to cronies, attempting to weaponize other authorities against perceived enemies (antitrust, government procurement, transportation security administration-screening) It's not paranoid asshole nonsense to worry that Mar-a-Lago members might be unusually big beneficiaries, while other states (Like Illinois) get short shrift.

The new democrat bill is MASSIVELY geared towards protecting the American worker during this emergency, exactly the group you're outraged on behalf of. It includes strict conditions on corporations that accept bailout funds and beefs up paid sick leave and direct cash payments to Americans among a bunch of other shit.

It's a shame that American politics is so insanely vindictive and petty that what's best for your citizens has turned into "Pelosi hates Americans and wants them to suffer" or "Mitch hates Americans and wants them to suffer."
 

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Bit of misrepresentation here. They want some basic safeguards and transparency to make sure funds are not misused. The White House and Republicans are asking for a 500 billion dollar dark money slush fund with basically zero meaningful guard rails on how that money gets distributed, or any visibility to who benefits from it.

The legislation voted on Sunday, for example, says any companies that Mnuchin finds "eligible" for that 500 billion should maintain the same employment levels that they had March 13th "to the extent practicable." But it doesn't define what practicable even means. This strongly suggests an airline or a cruise company or hotel could accept taxpayer funds, send the money to shareholders, and STILL lay off tons of workers.

If you think is some sort of paranoid libtard excuse to justify casual cruelty to innocent people, then you're willfully ignoring the galling abuses of power from the current administration. The doling out favors to cronies, attempting to weaponize other authorities against perceived enemies (antitrust, government procurement, transportation security administration-screening) It's not paranoid asshole nonsense to worry that Mar-a-Lago members might be unusually big beneficiaries, while other states (Like Illinois) get short shrift.

The new democrat bill is MASSIVELY geared towards protecting the American worker during this emergency, exactly the group you're outraged on behalf of. It includes strict conditions on corporations that accept bailout funds and beefs up paid sick leave and direct cash payments to Americans among a bunch of other shit.

It's a shame that American politics is so insanely vindictive and petty that what's best for your citizens has turned into "Pelosi hates Americans and wants them to suffer" or "Mitch hates Americans and wants them to suffer."

Dude. Im not saying you're wrong. Im saying politcially this is the wrong hill to die on to try to make some stand. All of what you said may be true, but average Joe Schmo doesnt care, they want their check and they wanna know why it aint coming and Trumps gonna play it up to the tenth degree and get moral high ground in the eyes of the people.

This is mostly Democrats own fault because they've turned the dial up to 11 on fake outrage over every single Trump tweet and quote, that many will just see this as them trying to spite Trump at the cost of the American people, and you better believe the RNC is going to spin that shit like a motherfucker. This is why you dont cry wolf for 4 years, no one cares when there actually is a real issue and your quest may be an honorable one. ( it aint btw, look at the God damn bill.) Like Jeff Daniels character said in the Newsroom.."If liberals are so smart how come they lose so god damn always?" Do you wanna be right or do you wanna win? They've been handed the white house two straight elections and they're gonna get clobbered both times by Donald freaking Trump. Its so stupid all you can do is laugh.
 

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Dude. Im not saying you're wrong. Im saying politcially this is the wrong hill to die on to try to make some stand. All of what you said may be true, but average Joe Schmo doesnt care, they want their check and they wanna know why it aint coming and Trumps gonna play it up to the tenth degree and get moral high ground in the eyes of the people.

This is mostly Democrats own fault because they've turned the dial up to 11 on fake outrage over every single Trump tweet and quote, that many will just see this as them trying to spite Trump at the cost of the American people, and you better believe the RNC is going to spin that shit like a motherfucker. This is why you dont cry wolf for 4 years, no one cares when there actually is a real issue and your quest may be an honorable one. ( it aint btw, look at the God damn bill.) Like Jeff Daniels character said in the Newsroom.."If liberals are so smart how come they lose so god damn always?" Do you wanna be right or do you wanna win? They've been handed the white house two straight elections and they're gonna get clobbered both times by Donald freaking Trump. Its so stupid all you can do is laugh.
I mean... I'm Canadian, so I don't give a fuck about who saves face and who looks good and who looks bad in American politics, ultimately at the end of the day what I want to see is the best possible help for the most possible people who desperately need it. So we're in agreement there.
 

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I mean... I'm Canadian, so I don't give a fuck about who saves face and who looks good and who looks bad in American politics, ultimately at the end of the day what I want to see is the best possible help for the most possible people who desperately need it. So we're in agreement there.

We do agree. I wont even fight you that the Democrats have a better bill. Might be true, surely is to some. But when you spend 4 years getting fake outraged over every single thing the president does, eventually people just tune out to it. They dug this hole themselves.
 

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Meh Trump dug his own grave by failing to act earlier, those public statements he made early on will be killer campaign ads come the general.

But honestly the political impacts of this are nothing compared to the social impacts that will come from the number of people who die.
Well, I just came here to tell you in particular since we used to have a few run ins over this that America is being operated like Nazi Germany (maybe even worse).

The weak are indeed expected to die for the economy.

And they haven't even minced words this time.
 

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This man is really not much better than a fucking terrorist at this point.

Anyone who supports him is equally reprehensible.
Not to mention blasting a Republican for simply asking (per the rules of Congress) for a roll call vote, on the record, so that everyone would know who voted for this absolute monstrosity of a porkulus Bill. This bill was thrown together in the panic of needing to do something. Not to mention all the extra shit in it so both parties get a taste of the pork. This should have been a clean bill only designed to address the need to help people missing paychecks or small businesses hoping to be able to reopen their doors when shutdowns are eventually lifted.

Of course, if Trump had actually done what was needed at the beginning of all this and took this threat seriously, we wouldn’t have to be going through this. I warned people here how much of a joke this man was going to be as a president and I was mocked and teased for it. Well I will make sure to have this around each and every neck of those that voted for him. I will make sure they never forget.
 

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This Pork Bill is going to be the next 94 Crime Act, Patriot Act, War in Iraq, 08 Bailout be vote, I'd say it's going to sink some political careers but it's going to take a few years for us to fully realize how monstrous and deleterious this bill is and by then everybody who voted on it will be dead anyway.

If a politician under 60 has aspirations of becoming president one day and they voted for this, they should be prepared to get hit over the head with this every campaign for the next 30 years.
 

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Watch Netflix Dirty Money Season 2 Episode 3.

They're all one big club and you're not in it.

2020 Bill is essentially going to hold another 2-3 generations of Americans hostage.

We need to end corporations. Plain and simple. Every single corporation needs to be broken apart.

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You know what ... You know this stimulus package is complete and UTTER trash when CHARLIE "I FUCK MYSELF WITH A TRUMP DILDO" KIRK starts sounding like a leftist.

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Isn't it funny how 2 weeks ago socialism was evil and Bernie was a communist who wanted to execute reporters in Central Park, now all of a sudden everybody's a socialist, you got Republicans talking about UBI and universal health coverage for Covid-19, Trump is nationalizing private businesses and all those people against the social safety net calling it "a handout" have their hands out for that government check.

It just goes to show that liberal values are stronger than conservative "values".
 

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You know what ... You know this stimulus package is complete and UTTER trash when CHARLIE "I FUCK MYSELF WITH A TRUMP DILDO" KIRK starts sounding like a leftist.

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Perhaps Kirk should think about the fact that maybe United Airlines can’t afford to keep a lot of these people on the payroll when pretty much most international flights and some domestic flights aren’t going right now. Not to mention people aren’t flying right now. My wife had a friend come back from London where seven passengers were on the plane. Seven! Not exactly cost effective.

This Pork Bill is going to be the next 94 Crime Act, Patriot Act, War in Iraq, 08 Bailout be vote, I'd say it's going to sink some political careers but it's going to take a few years for us to fully realize how monstrous and deleterious this bill is and by then everybody who voted on it will be dead anyway.

If a politician under 60 has aspirations of becoming president one day and they voted for this, they should be prepared to get hit over the head with this every campaign for the next 30 years.
The difference between this and the’08 bailouts and TARP is this time the governments on federal, state, and local levels all forced a lot of these businesses to close. In 2008 I was more then happy to let those businesses that were in the red to fail.

I live with the fact they were going to vote for this and we are going to put this in place. My question is now, is this going to do what it needs to do anyway? Will it revive our economy or at least keep these companies and businesses afloat until things reopen? Will some close anyway as it’s not enough? Or will we be going through this again in a month or two and needing more money?
 

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This jackass is on twitter attacking the media again, attempting to shift the narrative from his absolutely horrible handling of the crisis. I guess saying old people are willing to sacrifice their lives for the economy didn't sell well enough. Can't go back to the well of racist attacks because America still need supplies from China. So back to bashing the media to distract the cultists from the rising hospitalization count in their counties and states.
 

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Perhaps Kirk should think about the fact that maybe United Airlines can’t afford to keep a lot of these people on the payroll when pretty much most international flights and some domestic flights aren’t going right now. Not to mention people aren’t flying right now. My wife had a friend come back from London where seven passengers were on the plane. Seven! Not exactly cost effective.



The difference between this and the’08 bailouts and TARP is this time the governments on federal, state, and local levels all forced a lot of these businesses to close. In 2008 I was more then happy to let those businesses that were in the red to fail.

I live with the fact they were going to vote for this and we are going to put this in place. My question is now, is this going to do what it needs to do anyway? Will it revive our economy or at least keep these companies and businesses afloat until things reopen? Will some close anyway as it’s not enough? Or will we be going through this again in a month or two and needing more money?
Maybe they should try to go to college and get a better job.
Shouldn't have gotten that Netflix subscription.
Why did they not save for an emergency!

Where's all the fiscal conservatism when it comes to blasting fucking corporations for their horrible soul sucking business practices?

Every country in the world has an economy.
Every country in the world has corporations
Every country in the world has employees
Every country is in lockdown.

You know what's happening everywhere else? Government programs, employers biting the bullet and still paying employees including covering t heir healthcare cost.

Only American corporations are firing en masse. We don't have an economy. We have monsters sucking the lifeblood of Americans like you while you defend them. It's abused hostage syndrome. The bastards have a gun pointed to your head and you're saying "Yah, I guess you have to shoot me because there's no other alternative".
 

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To be fair, the aviation industry is almost non-existent right now with almost every major hubs with huge travel restrictions and the situation remain bleak for the near future. Guess it was either layoffs, huge paycuts or an enforced no pay leave for an unknown period of time. Layoffs might be the best of the 3 options for both parties until the situation clears up. Just hope some of the stimulus was helpful in giving the workers a fair severance deal and not back into the shareholders pockets again.
 

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Isn't it funny how 2 weeks ago socialism was evil and Bernie was a communist who wanted to execute reporters in Central Park, now all of a sudden everybody's a socialist, you got Republicans talking about UBI and universal health coverage for Covid-19, Trump is nationalizing private businesses and all those people against the social safety net calling it "a handout" have their hands out for that government check.

It just goes to show that liberal values are stronger than conservative "values".
Didn't Bernie vote for this bill too?
 

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Perhaps Kirk should think about the fact that maybe United Airlines can’t afford to keep a lot of these people on the payroll when pretty much most international flights and some domestic flights aren’t going right now. Not to mention people aren’t flying right now. My wife had a friend come back from London where seven passengers were on the plane. Seven! Not exactly cost effective.



The difference between this and the’08 bailouts and TARP is this time the governments on federal, state, and local levels all forced a lot of these businesses to close. In 2008 I was more then happy to let those businesses that were in the red to fail.

I live with the fact they were going to vote for this and we are going to put this in place. My question is now, is this going to do what it needs to do anyway? Will it revive our economy or at least keep these companies and businesses afloat until things reopen? Will some close anyway as it’s not enough? Or will we be going through this again in a month or two and needing more money?
It's going to fail because they didn't put in any protections against abuse, the idea is to give these companies money so they don't lay off workers but they didn't put in any mechanisms to enforce this, so theoretically companies can lay off a bunch of workers and use the bailout money for stock buybacks and CEO bonuses, which they absolutely WILL DO like they did in 08.

The worst part is that Steve Mnuchin and Trump get to decide which companies get the money so of course they're going to take care of their friends and donors and anybody willing to kiss the ring
 

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To be fair, the aviation industry is almost non-existent right now with almost every major hubs with huge travel restrictions and the situation remain bleak for the near future. Guess it was either layoffs, huge paycuts or an enforced no pay leave for an unknown period of time. Layoffs might be the best of the 3 options for both parties until the situation clears up. Just hope some of the stimulus was helpful in giving the workers a fair severance deal and not back into the shareholders pockets again.
And layoffs won’t be permanent. They have expanded unemployment so they will at least see some money coming in. When things reopen then they can return to work.

Mark Cuban in an interview said this was a black swan event. Businesses try to prepare for the unexpected. This was one I don’t think anyone saw coming.

Maybe they should try to go to college and get a better job.
Shouldn't have gotten that Netflix subscription.
Why did they not save for an emergency!

Where's all the fiscal conservatism when it comes to blasting fucking corporations for their horrible soul sucking business practices?

Every country in the world has an economy.
Every country in the world has corporations
Every country in the world has employees
Every country is in lockdown.

You know what's happening everywhere else? Government programs, employers biting the bullet and still paying employees including covering t heir healthcare cost.

Only American corporations are firing en masse. We don't have an economy. We have monsters sucking the lifeblood of Americans like you while you defend them. It's abused hostage syndrome. The bastards have a gun pointed to your head and you're saying "Yah, I guess you have to shoot me because there's no other alternative".
I’m not defending anyone, I am stating the fact remains that a company’s number one goal is to make a profit in order to keep open. That is true for the multinational corporations as well as the family owned hardware store in the inner city. No money, no business. Unfortunately that doesn’t change. Some businesses are going to be Ok for a little while. Kohl’s can be fine for five months with their doors closed. On the other hand, Cheesecake Factory has stated they can’t pay rent on their stores for the month of April. Food businesses and restaurants tend to have lower overhead.

For now, people are going to get their wages taken care of worldwide. If this keeps going though, that will change. Every nation will face the prospect of businesses that will close permanently. Business owners will have hard decisions to make then.

Not all businesses are cold-hearted. My employer is finding work for my department. We will be taken care of if it comes down to it.
 

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It's going to fail because they didn't put in any protections against abuse, the idea is to give these companies money so they don't lay off workers but they didn't put in any mechanisms to enforce this, so theoretically companies can lay off a bunch of workers and use the bailout money for stock buybacks and CEO bonuses, which they absolutely WILL DO like they did in 08.

The worst part is that Steve Mnuchin and Trump get to decide which companies get the money so of course they're going to take care of their friends and donors and anybody willing to kiss the ring
He basically eliminated the idea of an oversight committee watching where the money goes to the moment he signed it.
 
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