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IIRC Angle and Benoit were the only guys to make Brock and Cena tap and both instances were around 03 and 04. Brock was always booked as a monster but this was before his UFC run which gave him a shit ton of credibility that Vince clearly respects to this day. It was also before Cena became the FOTC and even though he's stepped down from the top spot and loses just as often as he wins these days his never give up mantra is still a key part of his character.

So with that said do you see either guy tapping out before they retire? Who do you think either man could tap out to? Who would you give those honors to if you were booking things?

Personally I'd love to see Zack Sabre Jr. come over to WWE and somehow catch Brock in a submission. Then he could get on the mic and say Sabre 3:16 says I just tapped your ass then run away from a fuming Brock who chases him. Just a geeky little fantasy I had since I like Zack, don't mind me. :grin2:
 

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If Babyface Daniel Bryan when he returned went after Brock Lesnar him tapping out Brock Lesnar In The main event of Wrestlemaina could have been a all time great moment.
 

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I think if someone was going to do that to Brock Lesnar in order to elevate a future star and someone the wwe can build around for the future that should go to Matt Riddle. He has already talked about wanting that match on his social media and on wwe programming , the guy is a natural in the same vein as Kurt Angle but looks like a Von Erich and with his MMA background he could be a believable opponent to Lesnar that could submit him.
 

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Cena tapped out to Benoit, Jericho and Angle (twice).

Can't think of any top guys who have a submission finisher for Lesnar to tap, to be honest.
Did he ever tap out to Jericho in a match or just that time he was attacked post-match by Jericho after beating him?

Feel free to include guys from other companies who you think could come over one day. That's what I did with ZSJ.
 

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If Brock decides to put over someone upon his retirement by tap out then it might be possible and that someone who would do that would be Roman Reigns, they would have a match like loser retires or something along those lines or one could lose only by tapout and Roman who doesn't have a submission move would develop one at that instant and make him tap out in WrestleMania 40 perhaps...

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Probably not but it might be something that could happen down the line if WWE ever cares about submissions besides ones involving sororities.
 

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If Brock decides to put over someone upon his retirement by tap out then it might be possible and that someone who would do that would be Roman Reigns, they would have a match like loser retires or something along those lines or one could lose only by tapout and Roman who doesn't have a submission move would develop one at that instant and make him tap out in WrestleMania 40 perhaps...

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Roman Reigns learning how to do a submission move would be like teaching a chimp Neurosurgery.

Samoa Joe has loads already!
 

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Thus my answer, which implies a "no".

It doesn't matter how long ago, Cena tapped out more than once, so it wouldn't matter. I don't know if Lesnar has, but if he has ever tapped out, same thing.
What question are you even answering? Nothing I asked in this thread, that's for sure. I get the feeling you just didn't read the OP and got defensive when I brought it up.

Of course it matters how long ago he last tapped out. Cena was a midcarder when he last tapped out and I'm pretty sure he was still billed as "the prototype" when he tapped for the first time. You can count both Cena's and Brock's submission losses on one hand so that kind of win over them would naturally mean more.

Brock has been pinned before so by your logic a pin over him doesn't matter either.
 

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What question are you even answering? Nothing I asked in this thread, that's for sure. I get the feeling you just didn't read the OP and got defensive when I brought it up.

Of course it matters how long ago he last tapped out. Cena was a midcarder when he last tapped out and I'm pretty sure he was still billed as "the prototype" when he tapped for the first time. You can count both Cena's and Brock's submission losses on one hand so that kind of win over them would naturally mean more.

Brock has been pinned before so by your logic a pin over him doesn't matter either.
You seem to assume an awful lot of things so let me be very clear.

No they won't tap out again because tapping someone out means a lot more than pinning them. Do people need the accolade of tapping Cena or Lesnar out when there has already been people doing it before (Angle had Lesnar tapping out to the Ankle Lock, I checked) ? No because it doesn't mean much and WWE will certainly go with a regular pin.
 

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ZSJ could easily tap out Lesner, he has done it to opponents that are just as big. I think he has tapped out Walter!

Though I wouldn't want him in WWE. That would be like Radiohead going to Taylor Swifts production company, so they can improve.
 

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Personally I'd love to see Zack Sabre Jr. come over to WWE and somehow catch Brock in a submission.
That would look like my five-year-old son catching me in a triangle. Nah, son, nah.

If Babyface Daniel Bryan when he returned went after Brock Lesnar him tapping out Brock Lesnar In The main event of Wrestlemaina could have been a all time great moment.
That ship sailed with the Survivor Series match. Not. Ever. Happening.

If Brock decides to put over someone upon his retirement by tap out then it might be possible and that someone who would do that would be Roman Reigns
You've watched the last five years of wrestling and you're calling for MORE Lesnar/Reigns? Did someone get to you?



Hasn't Brock tapped out to Kurt?
Cena has tapped out before


No they won't tap out again because tapping someone out means a lot more than pinning them. Do people need the accolade of tapping Cena or Lesnar out when there has already been people doing it before (Angle had Lesnar tapping out to the Ankle Lock, I checked) ? No because it doesn't mean much and WWE will certainly go with a regular pin.
Yeah! Why would you have someone tap out on a big stage if they've tapped out before?!?

 

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You seem to assume an awful lot of things so let me be very clear.

No they won't tap out again because tapping someone out means a lot more than pinning them. Do people need the accolade of tapping Cena or Lesnar out when there has already been people doing it before (Angle had Lesnar tapping out to the Ankle Lock, I checked) ? No because it doesn't mean much and WWE will certainly go with a regular pin.
Yeah I'm sure that's not just a whole lot of backtracking when you could've simply said "no" instead of saying "Cena tapped to Kurt Angle" to supposedly imply ALL of that lol.

Benoit and Kurt tapping out Angle were treated as huge deals by the way, even Benoit who tapped him out second which by your logic should make it not matter since it happened before even though an entire storyline came out of it that made Benoit seem like one of the few people credible enough to beat Lesnar which did wonders for him. Lesnar has rarely even been pinned since then so I don't see how you can act like submitting him wouldn't mean much given the way he's been booked since his UFC stint.

You have to consider stages of their career, booking and circumstances. If someone tapped out Hulk before the Hulkamania era it wouldn't mean as much as Luger submitting him for the title in WCW for example.

I'm done with this back and forth about you missing the point of the thread with your first post but it's clear you just read the title initially.
 

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I don't think tapping out means any more than pinning them cleanly these days.

There's no such thing as a "rub" in wrestling anymore so just beating them, whether its clean or dirty, is good enough.
 
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