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The peak of his hate was like 2015 rumble. His first major achievement as a singles guy.

I mean fair enough if he had gone 6.5 years without losing clean like Hogan or holding WWE title most of that period people would get fed up but Reigns heat was there before they even starting pushing him. That same heat i can't remember being there pre Punk podcast among hardcore males.
That's fair, but you also had Daniel Bryan returning at the time and there was still a tremendous amount of support for him. Furthermore, the entire remaining audience at the time had just gone through ten years of one man being presented as the top guy and beating almost everyone that they faced. LOL Cena Wins was a real thing, and for those who say that Hogan did the same thing between 1984 and 1991 I'd say yes...and no. Hogan did beat almost everyone he faced, but he did not do it weekly. Cena was always on TV and in the main event of almost every RAW. He was badly overexposed by the end of that ten year run, and the last thing that people wanted to see was for another person to get plugged into that role for another ten years. At least Bryan's rise was organic, and people were rallying behind that.
 

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No, strapping a rocket to him was what did that. When all 3 guys went singles his popularity died down. Especially when he took those 3 months off, he came back and was getting mediocre reactions at best.

The WWE just couldn't help themselves and had to have him win that rumble when they knew he would be booed. That was what pretty much sealed his fate.
 

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No, strapping a rocket to him was what did that. When all 3 guys went singles his popularity died down. Especially when he took those 3 months off, he came back and was getting mediocre reactions at best.

The WWE just couldn't help themselves and had to have him win that rumble when they knew he would be booed. That was what pretty much sealed his fate.
Pretty much. He's basically the other guy in the Shield. While neither Rollins nor Moxley are perfect, Rollins is great between the ropes and Moxley is a great promo, while Roman is neither. Like he's not horrifically bad at either, but outside his look there is much reason to strap a rocket to him.
 

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Well Punk had a small hand.. But the fans were going to reject Roman nonetheless.. People were coming off the ruthless Cena shove Vince did.. and here was this budget Cena, the guy with the look but none of the talent.. Obviously it was never going to work out, maybe Vince could've shoved a rocket up his ass after he worked on improving any of the gazillion things he was lacking..But No..Vince had to go the Cena route in a time when there were far better alternatives available than when Cena was in his prime.. No wonder it backfired spectacularly as it did!
 

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First off the smart fans would have known Roman was getting the big push because not only was it on the dirtsheets but it was just obvious as far back as 2013. He broke the Survivor Series elimination record, he broke the Royal Rumble record, he replaced Ambrose as the leader of The Shield ect ect. It was clear by Summerslam 14 that Roman vs Brock was the WWE main event for Mania.

And yes Roman would have still gotten the exact same reaction at RR 15 without Punk. You have to remember that he was never really over in the first place. He was over as a member of The Shield and he rode that out for the first few months then he got injured fall 2014. If he hadn't got hurt and WWE had continued booking him the way they were, he would have got booed by Nov 2014.

You already know he would of been in Zigglers spot at SS14 as the sole survivor against The Authority :sick:
 

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I don't quite know what you're referring to outside small mentions of the SHIELD by Punk. I don't recall him ever bad mouthing Roman, just Vince and his booking madness. I don't think CM Punk contributed to any reaction of Roman Reigns.

LOL no. A lot of people try to make Punk more important than he was. At best he´s a footnote in Wrestling history.
What killed Reigns was nepotism, bad booking and subpar talent.
And, Punk's most known feat was walking out on WWE. Even quicker forgotten with Daniel Bryan main eventing wrestlemania.
 

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Most of you guys are missing the point. Punk legitimize the rumored that Reigns will be the next Cena and the marks didn't like that idea and rejected Roman as soon as they saw that WWE will push Roman rather than Bryan on RR15.

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Again no, because all Vince had to do in response was not book Roman like Cena. Meaning:
  • He dresses sharp for promos like Ric Flair and maybe has a manager like Summer Rae or the Authority
  • He delivers promos like his Superbowl rally earlier this year that shows he has talent, instead of the stupid scripted stuff he’s given to say
  • He has a theme like Monteasy's "Heart of a Warrior," which both gets him away from the Shield gimmick and makes him look contemporary with the rap sounding theme
  • He’s booked like Batman, meaning he has grittier struggles, as opposed to squeaky clean SuperCena booking
  • And let him be bigger than the business so that he has mainstream crossover appeal
And there, no problem; a megastar is made. It wouldn't matter if he’s face or a heel as long as he’s getting reactions. Let Daniel Bryan be the other top star and boom, two major stars for the company. Instead of Cena being for kids and Punk being for adults, it could have been Reigns who is for adults and Bryan that’s for kids.

Besides, Bryan was supposed to be the underdog anyways, meaning he's supposed to elicit sympathy from the audience. Reigns being pushed instead of Bryan accomplished that. Vince just didn't adapt to the crowd reaction accordingly afterwards for Reigns. He kept on going with the SuperCena booking instead for a guy that shouldn't have been given SuperCena booking.
 

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Punk didn't point out anything that wasn't already glaringly obvious to the fans.

Vince isn't a subtle man. It's not some hidden secret that he was trying to force Roman.
 

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Most of you guys are missing the point. Punk legitimize the rumored that Reigns will be the next Cena and the marks didn't like that idea and rejected Roman as soon as they saw that WWE will push Roman rather than Bryan on RR15.

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"legitimized the rumor" Lmfao.
 

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what killed reigns was booking fans dont want to see WWE get behind a guy with a gigantic push w/ 4 mania main events when they feel he isn't delivering character,promo,or in ring wise that a main event guy should atleast cena was always cutting good promos and having amazing matches

reigns should of been an organic slow build to the top much like batista
 

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While it's a good coincidence that Cabana's podcast interview with Punk was out just in the time they were starting to force Roman, I don't think this was the thing that damaged him. At least, I wouldn't say it RUINED him, because people aren't stupid. Everyone understood that Roman was going to be a featured player, they were just fine with him feuding with Orton and others, basically in the midcard. Once they've realized that this guy is going over at the Rumble and they are screwing Bryan again - his fate was sealed.

The one thing they should've done in the first place is giving people what they want and wait with Roman, but they didn't do that, so that's only Vince's fault. Roman doesn't have the talent and the charisma to overcome bad booking. Punk had nothing to do with these circumstances. When WWE realized the mistake they've made (and they DID realize it, because Vince is still trying to get the guy over), they should've turned him heel, it would've benefited him more. Funny thing is - by the year 2020 the fans would probably love him, but now we get what we get, fans were okay with him in the midcard, but when he challenges for the title, fans boo again. Same exact thing. Vince needs to retire.
 

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Well duh, where do you think that infamous meme of Roman "You've got to make Roman Reigns look strong".
My point was that it wasn't a rumor at all. It wasn't conjectured and nobody knew for sure that Vince really really REALLY wanted to push Roman. A literal third-grader could have picked up on Vince's massive unsubtle Roman boner long before that podcast. It wasn't a non narrative until Punk.
 

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Most of you guys are missing the point. Punk legitimize the rumored that Reigns will be the next Cena and the marks didn't like that idea and rejected Roman as soon as they saw that WWE will push Roman rather than Bryan on RR15.

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The rejection was happening well before the podcast.
 
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