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ok well seeing that John Cena is widely considered as the man who defines/pesonifies the WWE- and seeing as he was ''fired'' at the Surivior Series- do you think that he put Randy Orton over as the new biggest superstar/leader of the WWE at the Survivor Series?
 

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Simply put no and that isn't anything to do with John Cena but the fact that Randy Orton is light years behind John Cena in terms of mainstream appeal, merchandise sales, PPV buyrates and star power added to the fact that John Cena hasn't really been fired and will resume his role as the main man in WWE in early 2011. Right now John Cena is being used to create new star's with his star power and name value and they have done a great job in building up Wade Barrett and The Miz has also had a run from John Cena as well.

In the meantime they saw that Randy Orton was getting over again and decided to push him hard in the hope that he would finally become that true alternative to John Cena for the title of main man from their era in the same way Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were for each other and Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock were for their era as well. What happened though is Randy Orton lost his momentum the minute he won the WWE title and is yet again nowhere near John Cena's level but WWE can not just stop his push and they needed Randy Orton to remain WWE champion for The Miz to take the title away as well.

A few months ago i made a thread asking his Randy Orton could honestly draw big enough to become that true alternative to John Cena as the main man in WWE because going into SummerSlam with John Cena away from the WWE title scene and Randy Orton being the main focus of Raw for a good couple of months prior i thought that it may happen. The reality is though that Randy Orton will never honestly be to John Cena what The Rock was to Stone Cold Steve Austin and will always be number two at best but the way that Orton/Barrett was booked at Survivor Series and going into it as well the ending between John Cena and Randy Orton made sense because for weeks prior Randy Orton believed that John Cena would screw him out of the title to keep his job.

The only way that John Cena could put Randy Orton over is if Vince McMahon decided that he was going to push Randy Orton as his top guy over John Cena and had Randy Orton go over John Cena cleanly at WrestleMania and the following PPV before having Randy Orton take over as the main focus of Raw on a permanent basis whilst John Cena moved into lesser feuds outside of the main event scene. This though is not going to happen as it would be like having Randy Savage or Jake Roberts pushed as the main man over Hulk Hogan in the 80's or for Mick Foley being pushed as the main man over Stone Cold Steve Austin which doesn't make sense business wise.
 

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The only way that John Cena could put Randy Orton over is if Vince McMahon decided that he was going to push Randy Orton as his top guy over John Cena and had Randy Orton go over John Cena cleanly at WrestleMania and the following PPV before having Randy Orton take over as the main focus of Raw on a permanent basis whilst John Cena moved into lesser feuds outside of the main event scene. This though is not going to happen as it would be like having Randy Savage or Jake Roberts pushed as the main man over Hulk Hogan in the 80's or for Mick Foley being pushed as the main man over Stone Cold Steve Austin which doesn't make sense business wise.
Exactly.

Put it this way:

What happened with Batista/Cena back in 2008? Batista, as soon as he moved to Raw, was in the main event feud, went over Cena and the other top stars of Raw in a Fatal Four Way, feuded for the title, looked better than the then champion CM Punk, then beat Cena clean and spent the next two months feuding for the title again and becoming Champion.

It still didn't change the fact that we, the audience, knew that Cena was still the top man.

The same as when Triple H was booked pretty even to Cena and beat him clean at Night of Champions and then later on Raw also. We still knew Cena was the top man.

And both Batista and Triple H had much more starpower and credibility than Orton does now.

The fans are conditioned to expect certain superstars to simply be equal in kayfabe when facing off (big stars like Triple H, Taker, and Batista when he was here).

It would take two years or so of Orton having the show revolving around him, while Cena was relegated to mid-card feuds and smaller Wrestlemania match-ups before the fans would start believing Orton was actually the top man now. He simply does not have enough star power or appeal to take over from Cena.

Heck if Triple H or Batista were return tomorrow - in the fans eyes - he'll instantly drop a level below them. Because of that conditioning and those superstars appeal in comparison to his.
 
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