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On RAW, we saw Del Rio submit the Zookeepah with the armbar. BUT, as I was very surprised to see, Troof held on for about 20 seconds before tapping, while so far, the most has been about 5 (even with Rey & Christian's never give up attitude). Are they purposely trying to make the move look a little bit weaker so that there might be actually getting out of it? Am I seeing to much into it, or does it really have importance?
 

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Too deep, in the future ME's will tap in about 10 seconds, but Toof just wanted air time.

How is this spoiler again ? fpalm
 

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Well if you think about it, R-Truth said Del Rio had to go through him. R-Truth had something to prove in a way, as did Del Rio. The thing that irritates me the most is how
95% of the superstars that take that move can't sell it. The only superstar that sold it
perfectly was Rey Mysterio. When everyone else takes it, the move doesn't flow so to speak.
It looks clunky. Examples are Chris Masters, Matt Hardy, Truth yesterday, etc.
 

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For me, when it's not at least 24 hours after the event, it's a spoiler. Especially in the SD section.
You are not spoiling a match , a result , Nothing! .

what u said about r toofh . it already happened, so its not a spoiler, saying that in a future any star can get out of a submission hold is not a spoiler .

then i have a spoiler for you , a Main eventer will kick out in a future ... no shit. fpalm
 

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What bothers me more is that Rio doesn't even do the Arm Bar correctly. You are supposed to pop your hips up while you have the guys arm and he just lays flat on his back so there is no pressure on the guys arm whatsoever. I'm just nitpicking because I actually train and I know how to do it correctly. The way he does it is safe so I'm going to have to assume that's why he does it that way.
 

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It was pretty stupid to see. ADR should have put some real pressure on the move and see what R-truth would do then. Its not the STFU, it is a legitamate submission and people should tap out in the first 5 seconds of it being locked
 

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It annoyed me too, but I wondered if it was , in a sense, somewhat of a bit of a push for Truth. Although, WWE always tries to make a number of superstars look strong going into the Rumble every year to add to the Rumble match itself. This could be one of those situations. He really dominated the first half of the match and had a good showing. It wasn't until Del Rio focused his full attacks on the shoulder did he gain the upper hand. It was one of Del Rio's closer singles matches which I thought was interesting. They may be just trying to "weaken" the move a bit so that when he becomes a solid main event player the move can be locked in to add suspense to a match but also as a legitamite finisher. Until Truth last night, everyone had tapped out to it so quickly that you wondered if there was ever going to be a way to crawl to the ropes.

However, if it indeed was just Truth trying to get more air time or give himself some credibility, then I wish Del Rio would have really put the pressure on and see how fast Truth would have tapped.
 

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What bothers me more is that Rio doesn't even do the Arm Bar correctly. You are supposed to pop your hips up while you have the guys arm and he just lays flat on his back so there is no pressure on the guys arm whatsoever. I'm just nitpicking because I actually train and I know how to do it correctly. The way he does it is safe so I'm going to have to assume that's why he does it that way.
Maybe you should listen better in your training better then.
A Cross Armbar is exactly how Del Rio performs it, the only thing a master jits specialist would have to say is how he crossed his feet.

And trust me, no pressure? If he wanted to pull that arm out of the socket he could, but you, you already know that.
 

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Yeah, I think either R-Truth fucked up here, in which case I hope he is punished, or they are deliberately trying to depower the move. Perhaps with a view to giving Del Rio a more impactful finisher.

Although as long as he's heel the arm bar is quite a good finisher, so I'm leaning towards R-Truth fucking up.
 

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Maybe you should listen better in your training better then.
A Cross Armbar is exactly how Del Rio performs it, the only thing a master jits specialist would have to say is how he crossed his feet.

And trust me, no pressure? If he wanted to pull that arm out of the socket he could, but you, you already know that.
Unless he was going to pull it upright out of it's socket with Hulk strength, nothing was going to happen. He didn't even bend the arm back or to the side to create an angle. You're supposed to pop your hips up while you do it which creates the tension on the joints and ligaments. He still did it wrong, although I'm going to assume you aren't going to listen to me.

You are right though, the placement of his feet was wrong as well.
 

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Unless he was going to pull it upright out of it's socket with Hulk strength, nothing was going to happen. He didn't even bend the arm back or to the side to create an angle. You're supposed to pop your hips up while you do it which creates the tension on the joints and ligaments. He still did it wrong, although I'm going to assume you aren't going to listen to me.

You are right though, the placement of his feet was wrong as well.
I wouldn't listen because I know you're wrong. If you was to pop your hips up you'd most likely disolocate the elbow.
You don't need brute strength to dislocate an arm from the shoulder in that position, hell Judo/Jits is proof that strength doesn't matter.
He did it fine.


Oh and if you're interested:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2062292_cross-armlock-judo-juji-gatame.html
 

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You are not spoiling a match , a result , Nothing! .

what u said about r toofh . it already happened, so its not a spoiler, saying that in a future any star can get out of a submission hold is not a spoiler .

then i have a spoiler for you , a Main eventer will kick out in a future ... no shit. fpalm
On RAW, we saw Del Rio submit the Zookeepah with the armbar. BUT, as I was very surprised to see, Troof held on for about 20 seconds before tapping

Halo, I cannot in any way comprehend how you genuinely believe that describing the result of a match that happened less than 24 hours ago and the exact way in which said match ended, with a reference of how long it took for the superstar to submit I might add, is not a spoiler. For that matter, how does it resemble in any way someone stating that a main eventer will kick out in "a future", when this match was not in "a future", it was last night.

Seriously, think before you facepalm next time.
 

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I wouldn't listen because I know you're wrong. If you was to pop your hips up you'd most likely disolocate the elbow.
You don't need brute strength to dislocate an arm from the shoulder in that position, hell Judo/Jits is proof that strength doesn't matter.
He did it fine.


Oh and if you're interested:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2062292_cross-armlock-judo-juji-gatame.html
I'm aware you don't need brute strength to do it. Leverage and technique will always beat brute strength. I was taught to do it while popping the hips which adds more leverage and will pop the elbow out and it's more effective that way.
 
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