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Needed someplace to put this and I figured since there is an MCU discussion thread, why not have one for DCEU. Glad to see this finally happened. DC needed for WB to treat them the way Disney is treating Marvel, as their own film division. Don't know Berg, but I trust Geoff.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-895174

'Batman v. Superman' Fallout: Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles (Exclusive)

Jon Berg and Geoff Johns will co-run DC Films in an attempt to course-correct Warners' comic book movies.


The fallout from Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice continues to ripple through Warner Bros.

The Burbank-based studio is making changes to the way it handles its DC Entertainment-centered films, giving oversight of the feature projects to a pair of executives and creating a dedicated division for the films. Current executive vp Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, DC's chief content officer who successfully launched the comics label's foray into television, will co-run DC Films, according to multiple sources.

This move is part of a broader refinement of executive roles at Warners, which has suffered a disappointing run of movies and has vexed producers and filmmakers, some of whom complain about a murky greenlight process.

Instead of a broad range of movies to oversee, executives will be charged with managing “genre streams" while reporting to Warner Bros. Pictures president Greg Silverman. In many cases, these streams formalize interests and specialties for specific executives. Courtenay Valenti, for example, will now oversee all Lego Movie projects as well as the Harry Potter line that begins with November's Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Senior production execs Jesse Ehrman and Niija Kuykendall will focus more on comedy/family and sci-fi/action, respectively, according to sources.

Further executive changes are anticipated, including a potential hire at the senior level.

Berg was already working on BvS, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Justice League. He also is a conduit to Ben Affleck, having worked with the actor-filmmaker on Argo and Live by Night, the crime thriller Affleck recently wrapped as director, writer and star for the studio.

Comics writer-turned-exec Johns, meanwhile, masterminded the ascension of shows such as Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl and is the writer behind DC's upcoming Rebirth, the publishing side's reboot of its titles that will play out over the summer months. He is not leaving DC, according to sources, but adding film to his portfolio.

Johns will still report to DC Entertainment president Diane Nelson, while Berg will report to Silverman.

With Berg and Johns, Warner Bros. is attempting to unify the disparate elements of the DC movies with a seasoned film exec and a comics veteran that together can hopefully emulate the way Marvel Studios has produced its films under the vision of president Kevin Feige. But sources also say Warners still wants to remain filmmaker-driven. As part of their new jobs, Berg and Johns will become producers on the Justice League movies.

The muted reception of BvS, from a box-office and critical point of view, is the flashpoint for the changes. The studio had high hopes for the movie, which pitted its top heroes against each other. The door was opened for director Zack Snyder to be involved in shaping the look and content of the entire DC line, which is scheduled through 2020. But critics and fans ripped into the first pic and especially Snyder for perceived missteps, including its heroes' unheroic behavior and the dark tone. BvS, which cost at least $300 million to make, has grossed under $870 million worldwide since its March 25 release.

In stark contrast, Marvel Studios’ Captain America: Civil War is heading towards $1 billion in less than two weeks of release. The movie also pitted heroes against each other, but Marvel's lighter tone and bright colors (while tackling more serious themes) are clearly resonating with audiences.

So Warners is attempting a course correction.

The shuffle, as well as Berg and Johns' new positions, come as other changes are being implemented on the DC movies. For example, Affleck was recently made executive producer on Justice League, upping his creative involvement when it comes to all things Batman and perhaps beyond.

Warner Bros. parted ways with screenwriter Seth Grahame-Smith, who was to have made his directorial debut with The Flash. In another example of post-BvS fallout, the studio didn’t feel confident in a first-time helmer and is now looking for a more seasoned filmmaker who can not only handle a large $150 million-plus movie but who can also have an authoritative stamp.

And the studio is working to smooth out the third act of Suicide Squad, its big August movie from director David Ayer that could change the perception of its DC line. The pic’s trailers have generated massive positive interest in the all-star actioner that features DC villains, and the studio wants to make sure audiences’ expectations are not only met but exceeded.

Suicide Squad recently went under major additional photography (multiple sources say it was not to add humor) to clear up the issues. Sources say that it was Suicide Squad that escalated Johns’ involvement in DC movies (he was already co-writing the next Batman standalone with Affleck) and that he is involved in the film’s post-production.
 

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I haven't seen any of the DC movies, and don't really care to. It seems like they've thoroughly mishandled everything as I kind of expected. And if DC isn't careful, things are gonna be fucked up on the TV side of things too as both Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow kind of suck right now.

DC needs to get its shit together, because Marvel has been killing it and no signs of that changing any time soon.
 

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I haven't seen any of the DC movies, and don't really care to. It seems like they've thoroughly mishandled everything as I kind of expected. And if DC isn't careful, things are gonna be fucked up on the TV side of things too as both Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow kind of suck right now.

DC needs to get its shit together, because Marvel has been killing it and no signs of that changing any time soon.
Simply put DC & WB don't really have anyone in power who know what the fuck they are doing. You would have to clean house first before even thinking about making high quality CU connected films.

That is why their are a few people on here who feel DC's only chance of doing anything great is to seriously have them sold to Disney at this point.
 

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Simply put DC & WB don't really have anyone in power who know what the fuck they are doing. You would have to clean house first before even thinking about making high quality CU connected films.

That is why their are a few people on here who feel DC's only chance of doing anything great is to seriously have them sold to Disney at this point.
It's such a shame that they've reached such a state as I'm a DC guy and yet I still have to admit that with Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Deadpool and Captain American Civil War, it just feels like Marvel can do no wrong right now
 

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Making necessary adjustments sounds good to me, now on to speculation and fun. Fuck this doom and gloom shit.
Why can't we be about doom and gloom when that's what their films are about? :serious:

Not gonna read the whole thing, it's too long. I skimmed through, they're giving DC their own studio like Marvel or something. Doesn't matter. The only way this is gonna work, they have to do a hard reboot where Batman never kills anyone, Joker looks like Joker, Lex behaves like Lex, Zack and Deborah Snyder have absolutely nothing to do with the films in any capacity, and they embrace the fun of the comic book genre like Marvel does instead of running from it and trying to make philosophical bullshit with superheroes.
 

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I hope good comes out of this. Really do. But, I will continue my pessimistic attitude toward the DCCU till I see change with my own eyes.

PS Why do people call it DCEU now?
 

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How can someone complain about doom and gloom when that's all that DC puts out? Lol, they need to clean house and really set out a plan for what they want to do next.

The Flash is a TV show and it manages to always be entertaining and good. Dark and Gritty isn't bad, Dare Devil is awesome, Punisher is cool! I don't think Jessica Jones was that good but it's still decent. No reason you cannot have different types put together so you can see contrasts between the heroes.
 

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They need to have the 52 writers be the Think Tank for the movies.

Johns
Morrison
Rucka
Waid

Edit: DC needs to pay Pixar/Zootopia guys to make a We3 movie
 

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Grace Randolph (DC & Marvel comic book writer, former Marvel's The Watcher host) made a video analyzing the Berg-Johns announcement.

 

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So basically if I understand this correctly Warner Bros has restructured DC into a similar system to what Marvel have in place. That's great news.

I don't see how anyone can complain about this :shrug
 

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Grace Randolph (DC & Marvel comic book writer, former Marvel's The Watcher host) made a video analyzing the Berg-Johns announcement.

I know I sound like I may be beating a dead horse here but I really believe the problem has just always been Snyder. I know we all have our opinions on Man of Steel and BvS, but to me the only thing those movies REALLY suffered from was incompetent story telling. That's it. I feel like given the right director the scripts they had with Man of Steel and BvS COULD have worked wonderfully, it's just again Snyder is just NOT a good story teller, so everything just came off as an incoherent mess that made no sense and forced the viewers to piece it all together for themselves. People can complain about all the bad in those 2 movies but I felt the good FAR outweighed the bad, again it was just presented bad.

Snyder IMO is the only place were WB is "complicating things" honestly, they just seem to not want to get rid of (or admit) the problem that's right infront of them.

So basically if I understand this correctly Warner Bros has restructured DC into a similar system to what Marvel have in place. That's great news.

I don't see how anyone can complain about this :shrug
Except they have TWO people instead of ONE....:surprise:. I mean it's not like there hasn't been multiple showrunners before!(Cmon let's be honest, cinematic universes are now grander versions of TV shows.).
 

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So basically if I understand this correctly Warner Bros has restructured DC into a similar system to what Marvel have in place. That's great news.

I don't see how anyone can complain about this :shrug
Plenty if the Movies are shit.
 

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It's got to be kind of rough for DC to find good directors though when many of them are already doing Marvel movies. Plus, Nolan's out of the comic book movie business now I think.

If I were at DC or Warner, I'd try and get Joss Whedon to do one more comic book movie and do it for a DC character. It feels like he could easily do Wonder Woman.

And get Guillermo Del Toro working on something supernatural like Justice League Dark

And I feel like Sam Raimi could still bring something good to the table. Say what you will about Spiderman 3, but the first two he did were really good. So was Darkman. I think he could do a good movie with the right character, maybe even Superman
 

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Plenty if the Movies are shit.
True but that can be said with any system though. Even with "Marvel's way" of doing things they've produced shitty movies. Again it still comes down to the film maker at the end of the day.
 

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I know I sound like I may be beating a dead horse here but I really believe the problem has just always been Snyder.
This will become abundantly clear once audiences have had the opportunity to sit down and watch Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.

The only reason Zack Snyder is still on board is because Justice League: Part 1 was too far in development by the time BvS was released. I will be shocked & amazed if he's still running things by the time that movie is in the can. We've already seen Warner Bros beginning to edge him out of the picture. At worst he's going to remain in an advisory role as an exec producer, he won't be calling the shots.

All this talk about rebooting the universe and selling the rights to Disney is absolutely absurd. Clearly some people around have no patience whatsoever.
 

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This will become abundantly clear once audiences have had the opportunity to sit down and watch Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.
Well we can only hope. I have faith these movies will be awesome without Snyder at the helm. New directors can make such a world of difference. I mean look at Civil War compared to Age of Ultron.

The only reason Zack Snyder is still on board is because Justice League: Part 1 was too far in development by the time BvS was released. I will be shocked & amazed if he's still running things by the time that movie is in the can. We've already seen Warner Bros beginning to edge him out of the picture. At worst he's going to remain in an advisory role as an exec producer, he won't be calling the shots.

All this talk about rebooting the universe and selling the rights to Disney is absolutely absurd. Clearly some people around have no patience whatsoever.
Lol again people acting like its TNA vs WWE. Hell it's not even WCW vs WWE, more like Coke vs Pepsi.

Plus some people just don't understand how a monopoly can just ruin things for the fans. All just a bunch of knee jerk reactions IMO.
 

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In Geoff we trust. :thecause

I've defended Snyder before, but I am curious to see how the first DC movies without him at the helm (Suicide Squad and WW) are going to fare out.

Suicide Squad looks like it will be a great movie. It's the movie I am looking forward to the most in 2016, and that's saying something considering how hyped I was for Deadpool.
 
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