[trevs909]

Hey guys, watched the DB/Cena match with a friend who just watches casually, he enjoyed the match but he mentioned that DB getting out of the stf quickly was not believable, to me it was ok since I think DB is more credible when it came to technical wrestling, he said that with the huge size difference between the two, it was just not believable at all. Well I just left it at that, but what do you guys think? I do know that Cena does not apply it correctly, but well, he still insists that size wins.

 

[Ray]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

You should have told you're friend that Daniel Bryan is a submission master and trains in grappling. That's how he got out. His entire gimmick is that of a smart technical wrestler who backs up everything he says in the ring despite his small size.

 

[Nostalgia]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

Well Bryan doesn't look credible, but it doesn't matter because Bryan is known for being the submission specialist, so he wasn't going to tap out to Cena. It would of been hilarious to witness Bryan tap out to Cena though, and if they ever do a Bryan/Cena program in the future, like his marks want so much, I could see Cena eventually making Bryan tap out. Hell, Cena made Benoit tap out before.

 

[vanboxmeer]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

Bryan will be losing to AJ in a match in the next 8 months, so it doesn't matter if he's a "submission specialist". It's just meaningless shoe leather, it doesn't matter if he escaped from the STF, because the end result was the same. Bryan staring at the lights. Again.

 

[DesolationRow]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

I thought one of the reasons (along with the "submission/grappling specialist" point) Bryan was able to maneuver out of the STF was because of his size.

Different body types tend to come with different skillsets. Like baseball. You wouldn't want Adam Dunn playing shortstop.

 

[trevs909]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

You should have told you're friend that Daniel Bryan is a submission master and trains in grappling. That's how he got out. His entire gimmick is that of a smart technical wrestler who backs up everything he says in the ring despite his small size.

I should have told him that! Oh well, he's more a cena fan so I don't think he will agree tho.

@nostalgia, yes his size is a big problem for him for other people and Cena did make Benoit tap out, I do agree with you with the kind of booking Cena get's that what you said is not far from impossible. I do enjoy his matches a lot and hope he get's far.

 

[Kling Klang]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

He knows every submission in the book and how to get out of them.

 

[BULLY]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

He's a submission specialist. It would have been a real disappointment to see Bryan tap to John Cena and when the stf first got locked in I was legit worried that that was going to happen. His size keeps getting mentioned but he aint no 90 pound weakling. He's compact, agile and I bet, a hell of a lot stronger than he looks. John Cena just looks like a juiced up guido.

 

[Stanford]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

What wasn't believable was 250 pound John Cena's application of the move. Everything Bryan does is believable, so it's a weird criticism.

 

[#dealwithit]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

I think the OP's anecdote sums up very well why WWE prefer their wrestlers to be bigger. Rightly or wrongly, people generally make judgements of people's fighting ability almost solely on size. And that pertains to almost any sort of fight. People like us on the internet may know better, but there would be plenty of people out there who would probably think they could beat up Bryan because they're bigger than him. As silly as it sounds, they'd probably be the majority too.

As for the STF. Not only does Cena not lock it in properly, but it looks very silly when he puts it on a much shorter opponent than him, as he actually can't even put any torque on their neck as their head is below his chest rather than shoulders.

 

[Starbuck]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

This doesn't have anything to do with this particular match but from my own experience from watching with casuals, especially my grandfather and uncles etc, size does most certainly matter and does = credibility. It makes me laugh though. They constantly rip on how it's fake etc but then say so and so would murder so and so if they had a match lol. That always cracks me up.

 

[Brye]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

People actually think about that stuff when they're watching a match?

 

[sesshomaru]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

And that, young fellows is why Big Show is still in the Main Event.



Why are casuals so stupid

 

[Brodus Clay]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

I doubt a casual would be into the submission specialist concept, they probably are more into the big guys win because they are damn big, this is why JBL one time said Giants draw.

 

[Brye]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

I doubt a casual would be into the submission specialist concept, they probably are more into the big guys win because they are damn big, this is why JBL one time said Giants draw.

That is what disappoints the fuck out of me. And that's why I'm big on midcard feuds because I know most of the people I like won't make it out of there so I'd at least like to see them doing something with reason.

 

[Starbuck]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

People actually think about that stuff when they're watching a match?

Why wouldn't they think about it?

 

[APEX]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

No, Daniel Bryan is just a great wrestler and his gimmick backs it. Also a submission specialist, so, yeah.

 

[Brye]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

Why wouldn't they think about it?

When I'm watching a match I usually view both guys as equals in almost all aspects unless it's a super heavyweight wrestling. I don't even remotely think about stuff like that and I figured others didn't either. Prefer the story of the match over anything.

 

[Starbuck]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

When I'm watching a match I usually view both guys as equals in almost all aspects unless it's a super heavyweight wrestling. I don't even remotely think about stuff like that and I figured others didn't either. Prefer the story of the match over anything.

Yeah but you're into your workrate and all that stuff lol. Somebody who only watches wrestling sporadically, only knows the big stars, who then tunes in and sees this smaller guy he knows nothing about easily working his way out of the top stars finishing move sees that and thinks WTF, that looks fake as hell and all the rest of it.

It's the main difference maker between casual fans and internet fans. It's why casual fans will wet their pants over things like Rock/Cena while internet fans will complain and write an essay about why the match sucked and yada yada.

 

[Stanford]

Re: DB getting out of the stf, size=crediblity?

When I'm watching a match I usually view both guys as equals in almost all aspects unless it's a super heavyweight wrestling. I don't even remotely think about stuff like that and I figured others didn't either. Prefer the story of the match over anything.

I think wrestling fans train themselves at an early age to do that. Unless it's something that defies the laws of physics, only your deep cynics or casual fans are going to think of stuff like that.