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It seems to me that even though wcw were losing in the ratings war , they still had one ace up there sleeve and that was Goldberg . But thanks to goldberg and hogan they pretty much ruined that before they could reap it's full awards . not to forget
  • The fingerpooke of doom incident
  • Poor booking of sting
  • push of Jeff Jarrett
  • Russo being unhinged and allowed to do whatever he wanted to
  • Kevin nash becoming a booker (lol wtf )
and that's just a few ! or was the beginning of the inevitable end when hogan paid of the ref to botch the starcade finish ?
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

"Could WCW of surviv--

No.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

no thye would have died quicker

[*]The fingerpooke of doom incident
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didnt harm ratings

Poor booking of sting
not Hogans job

push of Jeff Jarrett
Russo

Russo being unhinged and allowed to do whatever he wanted to
Hogan doesnt decide that. And he hates Russo.

Kevin nash becoming a booker (lol wtf )
Hogan didnt decide that.
And Nash wasnt a bad booker.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

I mean, IMO, WCW could have survived had Time Warner gave it a chance. They decided that wrestling didn't fit in with their plans. That ruined the world of professional wrestling. I won't blame any wrestler in particular but the bosses in WCW let too many guys have creative control.

So, the AOL/Time Warner bosses seen the jumbled mess that WCW was and instead of removing the cancer from the promotion or even doing an overhaul, they sold it for little to nothing in McMahon's eyes. The wrestling world hasn't been the same since.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

NO. Hogan was big part of their success, as he was of their downfall.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

IMO, WCW could have survived if they hadn't pulled the Fingerpoke of Doom bullshit the same night Mankind won the WWF Championship; they also shouldn't have revealed the results of that RAW taping in the first place, since that caused them to lose a shitload of viewers that night.

Seriously, what were they on when they came up with that fucked-up idea?
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

WCW was doomed from the moment Time Warner acquired Ted Turner's Turner Broadcasting System in 1996, because officials in Time Warner was not interested in the wrestling product. WCW was also poorley run, and when you combine that with an upper management that didn't care or knew nothing about wrestling it was an uphill battle from that moment on. Of course the incidents that OP lists also didn't help, but I think the main reason WCW collapsed was the lack of structure, leadership and upper management that had no clue what wrestling was all about!
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

guaranteed fee contracts for Hall/Nash/Hogan etc didnt help as well, as they then went out and got NBA players to guest giving themselves "match the highest earner" increases..

Buy the dvd.. much easier than the abuse you'll get on some of these threads, i await if only daniel Bryan was born 10 years earlier post from someone..... :p
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

Hogan should have took time off and came back under the Red & Yellow, apologized and challenged Goldberg to destroy Hulkamania. I say him leaving for say 6-8 months [keeping the title on Goldberg] would've been tremendous.

Ratings, buyrates everything would have been through the roof if Goldberg were to challenge Hulkamania. I can only imagine how much money they would have made.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

Hogan should have took time off and came back under the Red & Yellow, apologized and challenged Goldberg to destroy Hulkamania. I say him leaving for say 6-8 months [keeping the title on Goldberg] would've been tremendous.

Ratings, buyrates everything would have been through the roof if Goldberg were to challenge Hulkamania. I can only imagine how much money they would have made.
What a match that would of been ! or even better if goldberg defeated hulkamania him vs sting at three months after that and bang wcw are right back in the ratings war !
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

Hogan only agreed to lose if several other things happened afterwards (Nash beating Goldberg, Fingerpoke of Doom) leading to the belt going back onto him. So he wouldnt have agreed to lose if he was on the way out. With the backstage power he had...there was no way WCW could have got rid of him.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

WCW was doomed when Time Warner took over.
they weren't doomed by losing 45 million dollars in a single year and making themselves completely unattractive to any potential buyers causing the companies bidding price to go from 500 MILLION DOLLARS in june of 2000 (seriously) to like 7 or however much it was when they were sold?

Also not doomed by killing all revenue sources
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

The quality of the product wasn't the main reason it went belly up. The quality of the product in 2000 is still superior to what the WWE put on from 08-09 and the WWE didn't go out of biz.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

What killed WCW wasn't just the fact too many guys had creative control over everything....but Bischoff and company didn't have running scripts for Nitro or Thunder until minutes before they went on the air. Also, WCW didn't push the lower or mid card guys. It was the same people on top all the time.

That's why you saw guys like Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Big Show leave for the WWE. WWE was creating their own stars and running with them. WCW was stealing guys from WWE who ran their course, or pushing guys who should have stepped away years ago.

Also, the nWo angle...it was great at 1st...but when you got to 20 or so guys joined in it, or split it into two groups like they did...that didn't help matters either.

Going back to the young guys. Towards the end, it seemed like WCW was doing it's best to showcase the Cruiserweights. But they should have done it a hell of a lot sooner. Thankfully when WCW merged with WWE, some of those guys got their big break when they combined the lightweight division with the cruiserweights.

Still pissed Vince killed that title off a few years ago. Screw the divas. Most of them suck. Showcase your high flyers Vince!
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

The quality of the product wasn't the main reason it went belly up. The quality of the product in 2000 is still superior to what the WWE put on from 08-09 and the WWE didn't go out of biz.
Obviously the quality of the product wasn't the reason Ratings, PPV buyrates, live attendance, merchandise, TV ad revenue and interest in the product were at an all time low.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

Lol no, Hogan was a huge part and probably the main part along with Eric for their huge success. If I remember correctly, 6 days after he lost to Goldberg he drew the second biggest buyrate in WCW history with Rodman vs DDP and Malone. WCW died because of their TV deal and the person who didn't want them, simple.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

they weren't doomed by losing 45 million dollars in a single year and making themselves completely unattractive to any potential buyers causing the companies bidding price to go from 500 MILLION DOLLARS in june of 2000 (seriously) to like 7 or however much it was when they were sold?

Also not doomed by killing all revenue sources
Well, if you know the history, Time Warner took control of WCW in 1996, along with Ted Turner still apart of the ownership. The big thing to come out of that era was the NWO, which after the "Syxxth" member became watered down and even before that, you could tell something wasn't right.

WCW shows where poorly booked, had guys coming out cutting shoot promos, badmouthing other talent on air and only had their intentions in mind and not those of the company. I blame Time Warner for allowing it to reach that level. The guys they hired to run the booking aspect of WCW is what ruined it and in turn caused them to lose a shitload of money. Time Warner signed guys to outrageous contracts, giving them creative control and guranteed money.

It got even worse when they replaced Bischoff with an accountant, who didn't know shit about running a wrestling company, hence why some of the worst ideas/booking in WCW's history took place from 1999-2001. Once the AOL/Time Warner merger took place, thanks to the horrible way the company had been ran in the previous 2 years, they chose to give up instead of pumping life back into it and stopping the inmates from running the asylum.

Besides, if TNA has lasted this long, despite losing money and regularly having PPV's that barely crack 100,000 buyrates, I don't see why WCW couldn't have survived. AOL/Time Warner had let the company get so far out of control, they pretty much gave up, eventhough they are largely responsible for it becoming so far gone in the first place.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

No. As annoying as Hogan was, they needed his starpower or what remained of it. As far as still surviving i doubt it.
 

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Re: Could WCW of survived if they got rid of hogan not long after he lost to goldberg

Getting rid of Hogan is neither here nor there. What they needed to do was give him a few unsuccessful rematches against Goldberg to soldify Goldberg as the top dog, then keep Goldberg at the top of the card as the top draw.

Godberg was their guy, and to think WCW had him in the mid card defending his championship against Curt Hennig is unthinkable, while Hogan was stinking up the main event with Dennis Rodman.

Hogan could still be a big draw in the upper midldle of the card, but he needed to step down from the top position. It's WCW's fault for giving him that ridiculous full creative control contract.

However a lot of the damage was already done financially with WCW having guys on ridiculous 6 figure contracts who never even made it on TV.
 
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