So if that's the case, why would you claim that Meltzer usually isn't off on his ratings like you did after the first Gargano/Cole match? This literally contradicts that statement. Either you have watched the matches and this is your attempt at saving face, or you are flip flopping your opinions again. Which is it?Get a grip, I haven't seen any of their matches and chose not to because I knew they weren't a type of match I'd enjoy given what I read on it. I'd rather not go back and watch something when I know I'll hate it.
He's not in any all time great in-ring discussion, not even close. He has yet to showcase that he can perform legitimately great matches under a limited and boxed environment, and he has yet to demonstrate that he even understands the most basic concepts of storytelling. Until he can do that, he hasn't earned that right to be called one of the greats in the ring. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. So it doesn't surprise me that you're saying this.People loved the matches, the consensus/majority seem to eat them up judging by the reviews on cagematch, VoV, Meltzer and social media. So of course he's in the all time in ring discussion especially considering matches that create the same kind of buzz, or receive that kind of adulation has been rare on the main roster for years.
And the majority rate Kurt Angle highly, especially his early run in the WWE, despite the guy literally admitting he had no idea what he was doing for, at the very least, the first two and a half years of his career. I'm not denying that a lot of people rate him highly. What I do deny is this idea that the majority of those people have any basic understanding of in-ring work and what made legends of the past so good at it. Because they clearly aren't comparing these guys to them when judging just how good they are.I've enjoyed Gargano's run outside his feud with Cole and can see him making a good argument for it given his match catalog and general view of his matches. It would be ignorant to think otherwise, you might not rate him highly but the majority appear to.
And this just once again goes back to the argument many others and I have been making against why you are a terrible poster on this site. You just claimed it would be tough to argue against Gargano being one of the all time greats because of how other people with no knowledge of Pro Wrestling feel about him. Learn to form your own opinions. It's not difficult to demonstrate why a literal spot monkey isn't one of the all time greats in the ring. If you had any basic understanding of this, it wouldn't be difficult to call it into question. Look how many people even now are criticizing Gargano's style of wrestling. There isn't anything special about their knowledge of Pro Wrestling, and the same can be said about me. You just have to KNOW stuff.If he were to produce several more classics in NXT and produce several great matches on the main roster, it would be tough to look past him in terms of match catalog in the WWE. Then it's down to what you value most and if you put producing in NXT on the same level as on the main roster/ or value actual in ring ability over match catalog.
You know theres a ton of area between "slow and plodding" and "just because I got destroyed with a chair doesn't mean I can't wrestle another 40 minutes".Yep. But worryingly according to a growing number people on here, it should be big sweaty men like Lashley and Baron Corbin grappling with each other at a mind numbingly slow pace. That has "character" and is "badass" apparently....????
Yeah this is about where I stand. I love Gargano as well as Cole and I wont stop just cause guys I like had some shitty performances I'mma stick by them as off days/poor pairings happen. However I'm also not going to deny the last few main events have been some shitty performances (mainly 2 and 3 the first had enough emotion in it I could get behind it despite being a bit over the top and a nice moment for Gargano) and I don't think these 2 work as a pairing overall and I hope they will be moving on from each other now so I can see them paired with people they work well against again cause I don't just want to see people I like I also want to see said people I like deliver and this pairing just doesn't do so for me personally despite them both being guys I like (Kind of like KO and AJ Styles in that regard)There's working a sort of American independent style and then there's being goofball and silly for an hour. I only really know about NXT from what I've seen from the Takeovers and a few matches people suggested to me, and my opinion is that Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano are pretty cool...when they aren't wrestling each other. Cole/Gargano II and III are criminally bad. Their other stuff is better, leagues better. These guys bring out the worst in each other.