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How can people even think that? Johnny Gargano is dope. The way he sells a match is phenomenal, you're always gonna root for him.

But hey, you lost all credibility to me the moment you said Adam Cole sucks. It's Adam Cole, babeh!
 

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I hate the no selling, smarks are marks for big MOVEZ & kick outs these days.

Tired of that shit long ago, it makes it look so fake and stupid.

I have never been a big Gargano fan, but I do still enjoy his matches despite the unnerving trend of under-selling and the matches being way overbooked like last night.

I mean I see people complaining in this forum but come on, we are literally spoiled with some of the best wrestling WWE ever puts out and we are complaining. We got Summerslam tonight, maybe we should reflect on how fortunate we all are.

Also it;s amazing how much people have turned on Adam Cole... that was fast lol.
 

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Why are any of you guys surprised? Whos booking the show? HHH and HBK. Remember their 3 stages of hell match that went almost 50 minutes? Their HIAC match that went almost 50? They love this type of overdone "epic" stuff. I forget what show it is on the network, but it showed HBK at the monitor watching Gargano vs. Cole 1 or 2, I dont remember which, and he was popping like a schoolgirl for one of the finisher kickout false finishes. They loveeeee this stuff. Be careful what you wish for with HHH. He comes with good and bad.
 

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two once great wrestlers ruined by the WWE system fighting over Triple H's Weapon in the lifeless forty fifth minute or so of their second 2/3 falls match in four months is a great snapshot of NXT
 

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Why are any of you guys surprised? Whos booking the show? HHH and HBK. Remember their 3 stages of hell match that went almost 50 minutes? Their HIAC match that went almost 50? They love this type of overdone "epic" stuff. I forget what show it is on the network, but it showed HBK at the monitor watching Gargano vs. Cole 1 or 2, I dont remember which, and he was popping like a schoolgirl for one of the finisher kickout false finishes. They loveeeee this stuff. Be careful what you wish for with HHH. He comes with good and bad.
If every match is "epic", none of them are epic. It becomes repetitive and standard, this is what got me off these big move matches and more interested in story driven matches which build to a fast paced finish with both guys running on adrenaline and trying to put the other away. That or balls to the wall sprints.
 

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Yep. But worryingly according to a growing number people on here, it should be big sweaty men like Lashley and Baron Corbin grappling with each other at a mind numbingly slow pace. That has "character" and is "badass" apparently....????
You know you can defend something without trashing something else right? Lashley and Corbin are both pretty great. WWE hasn't been able to utilise Lashley properly but his run in TNA/Impact was really damn good. Corbin's Deep Six is probably one of the coolest moves in the WWE as well. Just because they wrestle a different style, doesn't mean they are any less compelling as a wrestler or character. Okada is a great example of one of the best wrestlers in the world, if not the best, and he's not a super flashy wrestler.
 

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They're capable of a lot better than what they showed last night, but it blows my mind that anyone who saw the last match they had thought the next one should go on for nearly an hour. Gargano giving up the first fall by dq to then throw away the chance to just immediately pick up the second via repeated chair shots and allowing it to revert to just another fall seemed really pointless. The crowd seemed to eat it up though so I guess there's an audience for it.

The main positive from this is that they're hopefully not working against each other for a good long while, which should help them both. Gargano desperately needs a change of scenery and Cole ideally gets a better feud to cement his title run
 

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I am so sick of moves, I am so sick of star ratings and I am sick of boring 50 minute spotfests.

Bret Hart could make a 5 minute wristlock 10x more entertaining than Adam Cole's best match.
WWE have hotshotted indy wrestling to the moon and back and marks eat it up because Meltzer gave this match 6.5 stars and that match 2.5, obviously this one is better by default.

This shit is doing more damage to wrestling's credibility than Russo, the hand, Katie Vick or HLA ever did. At least those segments were 5 minutes long and got the occasional chuckle.

Canadian Destroyers stopped being cool 12 years ago. End this geek shit.
 

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I don't think they suck. Gargano's pretty good. His stuff with Ciampa (both facing and teaming) was really good. It's just a shame that Gargano had to face Cole three times. I've watched Cole from his time in ROH w/Kyle as Future Shock to his transformation to a character in PWG, to now, and he's always been pretty bad to me. He mostly proves that if you get a catchphrase over, you'll stay over, bay bay.
 

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I am so sick of moves, I am so sick of star ratings and I am sick of boring 50 minute spotfests.

Bret Hart could make a 5 minute wristlock 10x more entertaining than Adam Cole's best match.
WWE have hotshotted indy wrestling to the moon and back and marks eat it up because Meltzer gave this match 6.5 stars and that match 2.5, obviously this one is better by default.

This shit is doing more damage to wrestling's credibility than Russo, the hand, Katie Vick or HLA ever did. At least those segments were 5 minutes long and got the occasional chuckle.

Canadian Destroyers stopped being cool 12 years ago. End this geek shit.
LOLOLOL WWE hotshotted indy to the moon? Buddy, you obviously DON'T watch or no a whole heck of a lot about Indy wrestling. LOL WWE is the farthest thing from Indy, as well as their wrestlers. Sure they hire Indy performers who are hot and on fire, but they bring them in and make them wrestle to Vinces WWE style, which is pretty much...a nickname, gimmick and over choreographed Hollywood stunts to horrible regurgitated storylines recycled from the 80's. LOL If WWE let these guys maintain what brought them too the dance, their product would be far better, but hey, Vince is a control freak. As far as Canadian Destroyers stopped being cool 12 years ago. Only one man can do that movie, and his name is Petey Williams. The Canadian destroyer
 

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So many people with their own agendas in this thread. I wanna get it back to where it began:

Cole and Gargano suck.

Whatever the fuck they do as wrestlers doesn’t work for me. Gargano has his dork haircut, stupid vests and his character is the dumbest fuck ever. Remember when he lost a last man standing match to a guy he had handcuffed!?!?!?!? God he’s awful.

Adam Cole is a one catch phrase joke that makes me embarrassed when grown adults yell along with him. He should have never removed that lump from his head. At least then it game him something interesting as a wrestler.

The problem isn’t Indy wrestling. The problem isn’t too many moooovez. The problem isn’t fast action sprints. The problem isn’t epic matches. The problem is Cole and Gargano make professional wrestling look fake.
 
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